ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #12

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  • #201
An early video of the executive director of the sheriff's association. The reporters also talk about the FBI, but get didn't calls back from them:


http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/idaho/2015/07/16/search-challenges-sheriff/30259235/

I watched this video (again)... It aired just a week after Deorr went missing. It's interesting to "rehear" the details. The involvement of the Idaho Criminal Intelligence Center and the request that folks stay away from the search area - it left me with the sense that there may be human involvement in this... or, they could just be completely stumped. I have no idea.

It's interesting to listen to some of the earlier news releases and interviews, now that it's 2.5 months later and he hasn't been found. I definitely hear and see things that I'm not sure I picked up on the first time (and it leaves me more suspicious, I hate to say...).
 
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  • #203
Are there currently any searches going on at all?

I know there was a planned search approved by the sheriff that was cancelled.

I also know special posters were issued for hunters in the area beginning hunting season for things to look for.

To me that kind of sends mixed signals.

1. No searches allowed.
2. Hunters be on the lookout.

Anybody?

Why would they call off a planned search with a 🤬🤬🤬 account and experienced searchers being flown in to conduct a reliable search?

If this was my child by now I would have come to the realization he might be dead but I would do everything to find him and bring him home so I could have a proper burial. How could I do that if they won't allow searches?

On the other hand hunters are tramping through the woods.

If the sheriff believed DeOrr has been abducted surely there would be some kind of alert being put out to the public.

No searches.
No alerts.
No pressers.

What does this mean?
 
  • #204
  • #205
Thanks for the link. This is a great article.

UNSOCIAL MEDIA: Law enforcement weigh benefits and drawbacks of social media
Updated at 10:38 am, September 29th, 2015
By: Tom Holm, Post Register

[...]
Facebook and Twitter can be excellent sources of mass information. But pinning down the truth in all that noise can be extremely difficult, especially for law enforcement in an active investigation.

[...]
Law enforcement has a tenuous relationship with social media. It can help in getting word out about missing teens, or a robbery suspect. But it can also be a mud-slinging arena where accusations fly and progress is hindered.

[...]
“Getting people involved to help look, if they’re the right type of people, it’s fantastic,” Bowerman said. “But then there’s people who their whole life is social media, and they’ll twist the things you say. It creates a bigger frenzy than it is; it’s really a struggle.”


(I remember this very well because I spent literally hours cleaning up the garbage that people brought over from that site.)

[...]
A missed opportunity

National events such as the Boston Marathon bombing highlight both sides of the social media sword.

Redd___ users took to surveillance videos of the April 2013 bombing scene to try and locate possible suspects. Users mislabeled a man as a possible suspect and caused a veritable witch hunt of an innocent man.
 
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  • #207
Are there currently any searches going on at all?

I know there was a planned search approved by the sheriff that was cancelled.

I also know special posters were issued for hunters in the area beginning hunting season for things to look for.

To me that kind of sends mixed signals.

1. No searches allowed.
2. Hunters be on the lookout.

Anybody?

Why would they call off a planned search with a 🤬🤬🤬 account and experienced searchers being flown in to conduct a reliable search?

If this was my child by now I would have come to the realization he might be dead but I would do everything to find him and bring him home so I could have a proper burial. How could I do that if they won't allow searches?

On the other hand hunters are tramping through the woods.

If the sheriff believed DeOrr has been abducted surely there would be some kind of alert being put out to the public.

No searches.
No alerts.
No pressers.

What does this mean?

I don't know WHAT it means but it doesn't seem to make any sense. It's almost like it's being said LE doesn't believe little Deorr is anywhere in the forest, but just in case he is they want the hunters to make note of anything unusual. Then again, the sheriff has made it quite clear what he thinks about the abduction "theory". It "sounds" like LE thinks little Deorr is no longer alive but more than likely won't be found anywhere in the forest.

I hope no one will mind if I voice my opinion loud and clear, but it seems to me that local LE needs to take a refresher course.
 
  • #208
I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but didn't the sheriff say they had searched some eagle nests? If so, what would they have been searching for?
 
  • #209
Are there currently any searches going on at all?

I know there was a planned search approved by the sheriff that was cancelled.

I also know special posters were issued for hunters in the area beginning hunting season for things to look for.

To me that kind of sends mixed signals.

1. No searches allowed.
2. Hunters be on the lookout.

Anybody?

Why would they call off a planned search with a 🤬🤬🤬 account and experienced searchers being flown in to conduct a reliable search?

If this was my child by now I would have come to the realization he might be dead but I would do everything to find him and bring him home so I could have a proper burial. How could I do that if they won't allow searches?

On the other hand hunters are tramping through the woods.

If the sheriff believed DeOrr has been abducted surely there would be some kind of alert being put out to the public.

No searches.
No alerts.
No pressers.

What does this mean?

One possible explanation could be that the FBI has determined that the toddler was taken from the immediate vicinity but left somewhere in the greater area. It might be such a vast area that focused search efforts might seem pointless from their perspective (like in the Ember Graham case) but because there is a chance he is somewhere out there perhaps they want hunters to be aware. Just a guess, IMO as to how those two things could jibe in the same scenario.
(Although I am not sure why LE would feel a responsibility to keep people from wasting their time and money if organized searching is what people want to do.) In what other instances has LE/FBI asked for organized searches to not take place? Anyone know?


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  • #210
I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but didn't the sheriff say they had searched some eagle nests? If so, what would they have been searching for?
Scraps of fabric, probably.
 
  • #211
Don't forget it was the parents themselves who mentioned 'filthy bawling toddler' or words to that effect, and only when referring to a rumor about something the store clerk had observed. IIRC we have never had that statement from the store clerk confirmed or denied, yet it still seems to be discussed as though it is a fact of this case.

I do remember that, and IIRC, they said something like "matched our description of our son", and I couldn't decide if the description included the filthy and bawling part, or if the clerk just saw a blond toddler.
:confused:
 
  • #212
Thanks for the link. This is a great article.

UNSOCIAL MEDIA: Law enforcement weigh benefits and drawbacks of social media
Updated at 10:38 am, September 29th, 2015
By: Tom Holm, Post Register

[...]
Facebook and Twitter can be excellent sources of mass information. But pinning down the truth in all that noise can be extremely difficult, especially for law enforcement in an active investigation.

[...]
Law enforcement has a tenuous relationship with social media. It can help in getting word out about missing teens, or a robbery suspect. But it can also be a mud-slinging arena where accusations fly and progress is hindered.

[...]
“Getting people involved to help look, if they’re the right type of people, it’s fantastic,” Bowerman said. “But then there’s people who their whole life is social media, and they’ll twist the things you say. It creates a bigger frenzy than it is; it’s really a struggle.”


(I remember this very well because I spent literally hours cleaning up the garbage that people brought over from that site.)

[...]
A missed opportunity

National events such as the Boston Marathon bombing highlight both sides of the social media sword.

Redd___ users took to surveillance videos of the April 2013 bombing scene to try and locate possible suspects. Users mislabeled a man as a possible suspect and caused a veritable witch hunt of an innocent man.

Maybe the parent's distaste for social media was prompted by Bowerman. Maybe HE told them to say they didnt want this speculation on SM. i dunno..
Anything i write is Just my opinion
 
  • #213
There is just no reason to think mom is lying about the creepy, staring guy with the black truck. Something about him creeped her out and made her mother's instinct antennae stand up at that moment. Of course, no one thinks that a creep will follow you to a remote campsite to take your child until the child is missing and you start to think of any and all possibilities. Sheriff dismissed the creepy man, saying something like 'you can't search for everyone that stares at a baby'.

I don't necessarily think Staring Man was a made up story. The fact that it wasn't brought up til the PI interview is a little weird to me. I think it's possible that JM remembered him later, and may or may not have thought him creepy or suspicious then, but since Deorr disappeared everyone is suspect. Isn't Leadore a tiny little town? For all we know, they were in the restaurant (or store) getting french fries and only one other customer, Staring Man, was there. If so, it's not unusual that Staring Man would be looking at them. Maybe that's where towns folk go "people watching" lol.
 
  • #214
Maybe the parent's distaste for social media was prompted by Bowerman. Maybe HE told them to say they didnt want this speculation on SM. i dunno..
Anything i write is Just my opinion

Could be. But if I had some backwards speech guy claiming I harmed my child (and even worse things) I might not have trouble arriving to distaste on my own.


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  • #215
Every day when I come here, I go to the missing forums and find Deorr by his discussion link. It scares me because I'm pretty sure one day it's gonna say "Found Deceased" in red letters.

This is a tragedy no matter what happened. Best case scenario is he was abducted and being treated well. Even then...something traumatic happened to a totally innocent toddler boy.

Beyond sad. :(
 
  • #216
I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but didn't the sheriff say they had searched some eagle nests? If so, what would they have been searching for?

Caution - graphic description:
Deorr was quite small and could be carried by an eagle as prey. Like owls, eagles are not able to digest certain parts of their prey and will regurgitate after feeding.
 
  • #217
Caution - graphic description:
Deorr was quite small and could be carried by an eagle as prey. Like owls, eagles are not able to digest certain parts of their prey and will regurgitate after feeding.

Eagles can only carry three or four pounds.
 
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  • #219
Caution - graphic description:
Deorr was quite small and could be carried by an eagle as prey. Like owls, eagles are not able to digest certain parts of their prey and will regurgitate after feeding.

I live in an area highly populated by eagles, and I can say with certainty that eagles cannot pick up a 30 lb. child. I have never even heard of one swooping on a small child, and during the right time of year, they are everywhere.
 
  • #220
In the interests of understanding the environment of where someone might have done something, here is a 360 degree view of the Lemhi Valley. One set of those mountains in the distance is where the Timber Creek Campground would be.
I reccomend the mute button.

[video=youtube;5vVzJJFNnVk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vVzJJFNnVk[/video]
 
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