ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #12

[charminglane]

I read here because everyone needs prayers from even complete strangers.

 

[neesaki]

It's possible but it does seem very unlikely... But it may be that the family had their timeline wrong and DeOrr was wandering unsupervised for a lot longer than that.

I agree with the bolded part of your post, that this is a strong possibility. And I realize there is more than one possibility as to what happened. I hope we find out soon. Whatever the case, little Deorr is still a defenseless baby boy. :cry:

 

[Cardinal47]

The family and the PI have gone awfully quiet... If they really thought it was an abduction you'd think they'd be trying to get more publicity for DeOrr.

Hummm is the PI still PIing?

 

[Cardinal47]

Something I have been wondering about. Is anybody searching for this missing child?

Last I heard they are depending on Hunters to find something during their season.

Isn't that kind of strange? I would expect searches every weekend at least.

 

[charminglane]

Hummm is the PI still PIing?

Not sure, however we are still WTFing.

 

[neesaki]

According to Sheriff Bowerman interference by a wild animal has not been ruled out.
He was ask if the possibility of involvement by wild animals has been ruled out, and answers,
"absolutely nothing has been ruled out."

He tells us that his deputy has checked out dens of wild animals that live up there.
The deputy also explains:
"there could have been some interference from a predator at some point in the scenario, whether at the beginning, or part way through".

starting @ 8:22
[video=youtube;FV-h82eVQ1M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV-h82eVQ1M[/video]

Not to mention, after little Deorr went missing there was a considerable time lapse of which is somewhat questionable. So first the parents were searching themselves for an undetermined length of time before they called 911. And then there was a period of time before LE made it up there to search with tracking dogs, not SAR. If there had been animal tracks, could they have been erased to the point of non-detection?

Then to add to that, there was the almost inconceivable incident of a person illegally disposing of human cremains in the search area while the search was under way. This is something I do a double take on each and every time I think about it.

So, IMO, there was not enough control over the search area from the beginning to the end, some of which occurred before LE became involved, some after. Any of which could have well compromised the investigation. JMO

And just to reiterate, this falls under the category of only ONE of my theories, not all.

 

[giagreen]

You know what stood out to me was when both officers seemed to agree that they believe if those ashes where not dumped during the search they would have been able to find DeOrr. That tells me they believe he is out there somewhere.

 

[neesaki]

You know what stood out to me was when both officers seemed to agree that they believe if those ashes where not dumped during the search they would have been able to find DeOrr. That tells me they believe he is out there somewhere.

That's a very interesting point, giagreen. Yet they also stated that with all of the searching, with SAR, the drones, etc., that if he was up there they would have found him. So either they are inadvertently contradicting themselves or they are in some obscure way admitting they just don't know. Is that what you're getting from it ?

 

[giagreen]

That's a very interesting point, giagreen. Yet they also stated that with all of the searching, with SAR, the drones, etc., that if he was up there they would have found him. So either they are inadvertently contradicting themselves or they are in some obscure way admitting they just don't know. Is that what you're getting from it ?

Well I was getting that they think he is up there. But then you also pointed out a very good point as well and with both of our points now I am getting the impression they really just don't know.

 

[wondering25]

Well I was getting that they think he is up there. But then you also pointed out a very good point as well and with both of our points now I am getting the impression they really just don't know.

Which is exactly what i was trying to say 2 weeks ago. i do not think the sheriff is being coy. I think the FBI should have been brought in immediately..they werent. Nothing can be discounted from DAY 1. By day 3 or 4 the parents were saying abduction.. no FBI.. FBI were brought in around July 31. IMO, time was lost, critical clues could have been overlooked and they could have searched with dogs, drones and the best SAR available. The basics were covered looking at it from an outside view. Yet, the sheriff was good with the family after a couple of days.. POLYS werent even done yet.. or certainly not analyzed by the FBI by then. The sheriff just didnt handle this effectively .. he did search and rescue or search and recovery.. he didnt do foul play or real shoe leather detective work for awhile.. imo.
The site was not secured..it took LE 1-2 hours to even get there..help from the public was discouraged.

IMO..the sheriff did too little too late in the foul play department. I will stick by my assertion. MOO


Anything i write is just my opinion.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

You know what stood out to me was when both officers seemed to agree that they believe if those ashes where not dumped during the search they would have been able to find DeOrr. That tells me they believe he is out there somewhere.

All the cremains did was throw the cadaver dogs off. So if they think they would have found him if not for that, then they must have been expecting to find him deceased.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

The family and the PI have gone awfully quiet... If they really thought it was an abduction you'd think they'd be trying to get more publicity for DeOrr.

The family is quiet in the media, because they "don't want their words used against them" but they have plenty to say in Facebook. We're not allowed to discuss it here but DK and JM both have plenty to say.

 

[giagreen]

All the cremains did was throw the cadaver dogs off. So if they think they would have found him if not for that, then they must have been expecting to find him deceased.

Well yeah I think everyone at that point probably believed he had passed. He is two. I don't think anyone thinks he'd last long out there alone.

 

[krig101]

Which is exactly what i was trying to say 2 weeks ago. i do not think the sheriff is being coy. I think the FBI should have been brought in immediately..they werent. Nothing can be discounted from DAY 1. By day 3 or 4 the parents were saying abduction.. no FBI.. FBI were brought in around July 31. IMO, time was lost, critical clues could have been overlooked and they could have searched with dogs, drones and the best SAR available. The basics were covered looking at it from an outside view. Yet, the sheriff was good with the family after a couple of days.. POLYS werent even done yet.. or certainly not analyzed by the FBI by then. The sheriff just didnt handle this effectively .. he did search and rescue or search and recovery.. he didnt do foul play or real shoe leather detective work for awhile.. imo.
The site was not secured..it took LE 1-2 hours to even get there..help from the public was discouraged.

IMO..the sheriff did too little too late in the foul play department. I will stick by my assertion. MOO


Anything i write is just my opinion.

Bumping off of your post wondering

Totally agree!
I truly do not understand why it took so long for FBI to get involved. Little 2 year old Rainn Peterson went missing Friday night and the FBI were involved the NEXT DAY! I just don't get it :/

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[kammiemc]

The family is quiet in the media, because they "don't want their words used against them" but they have plenty to say in Facebook. We're not allowed to discuss it here but DK and JM both have plenty to say.

I know, I finally checked it out. I don't even know what to say, so I'll say nothing. But I can't pretend that people's actions/behavior in this case makes sense, so....will just wait in the wings to hear.


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[giagreen]

I know, I finally checked it out. I don't even know what to say, so I'll say nothing. But I can't pretend that people's actions/behavior in this case makes sense, so....will just wait in the wings to hear.


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I don't get where you guys are seeing this stuff at. Ive checked both their fb pages out and the last thing I seen on DeOrr's page was he updated his profile picture in July. And for Jessica I haven't seen anything that raises a red flag. What am I missing here? What fb page is everyone getting this info from?

 

[giagreen]

Which is exactly what i was trying to say 2 weeks ago. i do not think the sheriff is being coy. I think the FBI should have been brought in immediately..they werent. Nothing can be discounted from DAY 1. By day 3 or 4 the parents were saying abduction.. no FBI.. FBI were brought in around July 31. IMO, time was lost, critical clues could have been overlooked and they could have searched with dogs, drones and the best SAR available. The basics were covered looking at it from an outside view. Yet, the sheriff was good with the family after a couple of days.. POLYS werent even done yet.. or certainly not analyzed by the FBI by then. The sheriff just didnt handle this effectively .. he did search and rescue or search and recovery.. he didnt do foul play or real shoe leather detective work for awhile.. imo.
The site was not secured..it took LE 1-2 hours to even get there..help from the public was discouraged.

IMO..the sheriff did too little too late in the foul play department. I will stick by my assertion. MOO


Anything i write is just my opinion.

I think at first they were seriously expecting to find him. So held off on calling in the FBI. I'm not saying that was the right or wrong decision. But I honestly think they thought they were gonna find him. But why they waited till the 31st I have no clue. You'd think after 24hrs and 2.5 miles searched they would have called them in.

 

[Trident]

This is the first "case" I've been following since July, when I had just returned home from Northern Idaho. Our local new station ran the story, and I followed any info I could get til I found myself here, and I joined Websleuths.

How do you all keep it together, keep everything so factual and so focused...and then...no resolution comes. Ever. The person is never found. Do you have emotions tied up in these cases, is that why you come here? To try to help and "fight" for the victims? The thought depresses me so much. But at the same time I feel like these victims deserve to have every angle discussed and dissected, in the hopes that something positive or helpful will come of it.

Right now, I am just feeling so sad about little Deorr. He is on my mind all the time. I picture this discussion dwindling profoundly as months go by, and that's upsetting. Justice, resolution, closure...evasive. I won't ever forget this little guy.

BBM. I believe that as long as someone remembers the missing or the dead, they are never truly gone. To me is it a tribute, a memorial to their lives.

One tiny child, among many, that I think about often is little Joshua Davis. He is always alive in my heart and will live there 'till the day I die.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ua-Davis-18-months-New-Braunfels-4-Feb-2011-1

 

[krig101]

I know, I finally checked it out. I don't even know what to say, so I'll say nothing. But I can't pretend that people's actions/behavior in this case makes sense, so....will just wait in the wings to hear.


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I'm bet police/FBI are quietly reading and analyzing every word they write..just to see if anything seems off with the parents.

Haven't been on the site myself, I would probably get too angry at the comments.

I just don't know what to think, therefore I am more of a lurker not a poster in this thread.

IMO


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[iluvmua]

If I had a missing child the LAST thing I would be doing would be going on social media arguing with people, making comments etc.

I would not care one iota about what strangers thought of me.

jmo