ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #8

[ILOKAL]

Idk but going down that road, how would said person have time to hide the body in the time frame parents gave that they were away to the point no one can find him?

Maybe one POI hid the body while the other three were searching for little Deorr before calling 911.

 

[Inthedetails]

I suspect he knows whether there are surveillance cameras or not, but that for whatever reason he's not sharing that info.

I also feel like there was a lot of "between the lines" stuff in that interview.

And that's all I'm going to say about that.

Although it seemed clear as mud, some things were made crystal clear to me after watching it. I sure hope this is the final lap before they find little DeOrr.

Makes me wonder WHY the sheriff gave this interview. Why?

 

[travelbug]

"Bowerman is “99 percent sure” DeOrr was at the campground with his parents"

that number should be 100%. :banghead:

Also note that he doesn't say "at the time of his disappearance". That leaves open the possibility that the baby was there Friday night, but never made in back on Saturday. jmho :maddening:

 

[4senthia]

Idk but going down that road, how would said person have time to hide the body in the time frame parents gave that they were away to the point no one can find him?

I can't help but to wonder if DeOrr was passed off to someone very quickly. Maybe the 4th adult had this planned in advance.
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for him to think the parents might leave DKjr to go have a little alone time, hike, etc.
That could mean DeOrr is nearer Idaho Falls I suppose.
The assumed "taker" would've had to have a vehicle waiting @the upper campground by the reservoir. You can see the entire lower campground from there, but can't see the upper campers from where the Kunz's were camped.
I don't know if this scenario would bode any better for the toddler. Alive is good, but sometimes it can be a bad thing if one has to suffer.
So sad
jmho

 

[Jules71]

Yeah, nothing earth-shattering about that report. Interesting things to note (IMO):

-LE possesses a receipt from the Kunz's trip to Leadore, which is "time stamped" (but he doesn't tell what the time stamp indicated). It is mentioned in the interview as being Friday morning. Parents also stopped for diesel fuel in another location on the way to camp. No security cameras at either location. Receipts would not include or exclude Deorr being with the parents, so they don't tell us much, really.

- the Sheriff seems to know a lot more than he's saying, which is not entirely unexpected. We won't likely hear more until the FBI report is handed over to local LE.

- "Personally, I think that abduction is one of the least likely events" - Sheriff

- He seems to dismiss the parents and grandfather as suspects unconditionally, and to be rather conditional is his dismissal of IR as a suspect: "until we find a piece of evidence or locate anything that tells me otherwise, I think he's being very truthful." Hmmm.....

- All 4 adults at the scene voluntarily took polygraphs (but no indication if they passed or not)

He said:
Parents = cooperative
Issac = truthful

Kind of weird to say he thinks Issac has been very truthful if he suspects him. The sheriff didn't need to add the truthful part in if he didn't think it. I don't know I can't figure out if the sheriff is being 100% truthful or has another agenda to get a reaction out of others in the group.

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[ClaireNC]

That is really really weird. Why have they released his last name as being Bates???? It definitely is not.

ETA: Is this shoddy reporting or is the sheriff intentionally trying to conceal great-grandpas's identity????

It is the reporter making another assumption without checking facts. Just like what I think happened with the arrival date. Since Jessica's mother's maiden name is Bates, he just assumed that was the last name of "Bob". IMO Makes me question anything East Idaho News reports.

ETA: The sheriff probably called GGP "Bob" and Easton just assumed his last name was Bates. It seems like the sheriff is still trying to conceal GGP's name.

 

[crh8]

No wonder the family brought in a PI. If that sheriff doesn't like being on camera then maybe not run for sheriff. Just sayin

He's no stranger to changing jobs, I think its strange to go from sheriff to chief deputy coroner, but thats just my opinion.
Bowerman was also Sheriff in Boise County. "Financial difficulty, enormous budget cuts and layoffs led Lynn to be appointed Chief Deputy Coroner in Boise where he served proudly for nearly 20 years." more here: http://www.lemhiweb.com/content/lynn-d-bowerman-running-sheriff

 

[Jules71]

Not sure I buy the Sheriff is good with everybody if he is not 100% sure Deorr was at the campfround to begin with. Does that mean nobody at the store saw DeOrr or maybe he is does not trust a witness who saw him?

“All four have voluntarily taken polygraphs and right now they’ve been turned over to the FBI,” Bowerman said. “We’ve given the FBI lots of items to analyze behaviorally and we’ve given them some physical evidence.”

Right - if the FBI is doing behavior analysis it has to be on any of the 4 adults, right?

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[katydid23]

That's exactly what I thought. You're the sheriff! "I don't believe the store has surveillance" - it makes it sound like he hasn't even checked it out for sure whether they do or don't! Wishy-washy.

How could the sheriff not know if the only convenience store in town has surveillance or not?

 

[jashrema]

What I noticed...

Reporter said sheriff is 99...NOT 100% sure that Deorr Jr. was AT CAMPgroUND. why not 100% sure?

Sheriff said all took polys and they were turned over to FBI. He still did not say if they passed. I feel someone must not have, otherwise wouldn't they just say so?

Again, Sheriff using persuasive language to say "He's good with them, being truthful, etc."

How on earth can he state he thinks a 2 year old boy, missing for 5 weeks is still alive??? The only scenario that that would be possible is if the parents are hiding him, correct? For what reason?

This little interview causes more questions than gives more answers. This is weirdest case I have ever seen!

 

[ClaireNC]

OK. I feel better. I notified East Idaho News of the mistake and they have fixed it already.

Bowerman is “99 percent sure” DeOrr was at the campground with his parents, DeOrr Kunz Sr. and Jessica Mitchell, great-grandfather, Robert Walton, and Isaac Reinwand, a friend of the grandfather, when the 2-year-old was last seen.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I think that if LE was 100% convinced that Deorr became lost in the woods, they wouldn't ask the FBI for help. They are going to wait 6-8 weeks for the FBI to say "Yeah, he either died of drowning, wild animal attack, or exposure"? I think they are leaning towards criminal involvement or on the fence.

 

[jmcgladr]

That is really really weird. Why have they released his last name as being Bates???? It definitely is not.

ETA: Is this shoddy reporting or is the sheriff intentionally trying to conceal great-grandpas's identity????

ETA #2: L. Bates (who I assume was TBC's stepdad) is deceased. Robert (Bob) W. is TBC's dad that was on the camping trip. There is no such person as Bob Bates, at least as far as this case is concerned.

It seems like somebody is mixing up her first and second husbands, and combining their names together, or something: "She married and then later divorced Robert Walton. Lynda later married Lavar Bates of Idaho Falls." Moreover she was preceded in death by Lavar Bates, so it's not the case that Lavar is still alive and goes by his middle name or some such. IMO they meant Robert Walton. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/po...da-s-bates&pid=127206337#sthash.CDtRFL9X.dpuf

ETA: Good to hear it's been fixed!

 

[pappa rob]

Maybe one POI hid the body while the other three were searching for little Deorr before calling 911.

I think not, if you're talking about the person I'm thinking about. Where inside the 3 mile radius do you think he had time to successfully hide the body? If we're talking about the unrelated POI,I doubt he had time to get outside the area and get back either. Not knowing him but from the interview, he doesn't seem to have all of his oars in the water.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

This is weirdest case I have ever seen!

Ha! Not in my sleuth world

 

[Jules71]

OK. I feel better. I notified East Idaho News of the mistake and they have fixed it already.



http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/

My goodness. No one is going to believe a word they print. Thanks for contacting them.

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[StacyMarie83]

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/

“We’ll wait until we get the report from the FBI,” Bowerman said. “It’s going to be critical in this case.”

Bowerman said the FBI would have results in six to eight weeks. Meanwhile, the search for DeOrr will continue and, with hunting season starting soon, Bowerman hopes a hunter in the Lemhi mountains might discover the child.

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[*JMO*]

What I noticed...

Reporter said sheriff is 99...NOT 100% sure that Deorr Jr. was AT CAMPgroUND. why not 100% sure?

Sheriff said all took polys and they were turned over to FBI. He still did not say if they passed. I feel someone must not have, otherwise wouldn't they just say so?

Again, Sheriff using persuasive language to say "He's good with them, being truthful, etc."

How on earth can he state he thinks a 2 year old boy, missing for 5 weeks is still alive??? The only scenario that that would be possible is if the parents are hiding him, correct? For what reason?

This little interview causes more questions than gives more answers. This is weirdest case I have ever seen!

BBM:
I don't think he believes he is still alive. I believe he thinks his remains are in the woods or brush.

Meanwhile, the search for DeOrr will continue and, with hunting season starting soon, Bowerman hopes a hunter in the Lemhi mountains might discover the child.

If he is hoping for a hunter to stumble across the baby, he isn't expecting to find him alive IMO.

 

[travelbug]

He said:
Parents = cooperative
Issac = truthful

Kind of weird to say he thinks Issac has been very truthful if he suspects him. The sheriff didn't need to add the truthful part in if he didn't think it. I don't know I can't figure out if the sheriff is being 100% truthful or has another agenda to get a reaction out of others in the group.

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Interesting that he doesn't include "truthful" when discussing the 3 family members. If what we have heard from "rumors" is true and there is some sort of familial connection between the sheriff and POI's, it could place him in a very awkward position. The sheriff would want the announcement of any family involvement to come from the FBI. I certainly hope that situation is one of "passing the child to a friend or relative (for whatever reason)" rather than the alternatives. At least that would be an indicator that the little guy is alive and well. jmho

 

[katydid23]

Idk but going down that road, how would said person have time to hide the body in the time frame parents gave that they were away to the point no one can find him?

First, I am not certain that they were really only gone for 10 minutes. I think it is human nature to downplay any critical mistakes. ' I just looked away for a second' is the natural response. I think it is possible they were gone for longer than 10 minutes.
Also, with some of the new things that have been confirmed, it has given me more confidence in some family members previous statements. So I do wonder if it is true that the family friend was 'fishing' when the baby went missing. It is hard for me to believe that TWO adults were watching the baby and he just vanished with no one noticing. I think it is more likely that GGP did not realize he was supposed to be the one watching the child.

If family friend was fishing then the parents might not notice how long he was gone when they began searching for their child. JMO