ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Charles Vallow, 62, Oct 2019 *Arrests* #66

[887sMtreme]

I was surprised that Heather was not the one who reported Tammy's death as suspicious to police (she had no proof), but it was likely Tammy's coworkers who were closer to her. Chad still blamed Heather when she texted his children there was an investigation. By that point the children didn't seem hurt about Chad's quick wedding to Lori, despite Emma previously expressing her fears to Julie Rowe.
Chad initially told Heather and Matt that Tammy died of choking on her vomit after coughing heavily, but later (when police were already looking into it) claimed it was pulmonary embolism due to her weight gain. He listed other causes to other people. It seems almost like he was making things up as he went along, not even keeping his lies straight, just like Lori did about Charles' death. How did he expect not to raise suspicion?

Weight gain? I thought she was pretty fit, training for a marathon and all. Did *anyone* believe Chad’s story/ies)?

 

[montegrl]

@montegrl - any updates for Chad or even Lori - ?? Next hearing date? And do we know what happened at Chad's hearing to sever trial?

TIA!

Nothing new yet. I don't think the judge has issued an opinion on the motion to sever or Lori's competency yet, will continue to look for those and any updates. MOO

 

[cocomod]

Weight gain? I thought she was pretty fit, training for a marathon and all. Did *anyone* believe Chad’s story/ies)?

His kids believed him. Talked about how Tammy was getting weak.

 

[Gardenista]

His kids believed him. Talked about how Tammy was getting weak.

IMO, she was "getting weak" because Charles had emailed her about the affair.

 

[fred&edna]

Did Heather mention meeting (or at least seeing) Lori at either of the services for Tammy?

 

[Lusitana]

Didn't Tammy confide in anyone? I just find it so hard to believe that even a very Religious woman wouldn't reach out to someone and mention that someone had accused her husband of cheating on her. It's so sad to me how her children believe their father blindly. It's their mother! She's gone and they don't even care? Not even after TWO children were found buried on their father's property? Come on!

 

[Howl]

The children deeply believe their father was led astray be evil Lori and that Lori and Chad were having an emotional affair and didn't enjoy loin fire consummate their relationship until they were formally married.

Was Chad and Tammy's marriage so far gone that the kids thought it was OK for Chad to marry Lori right after he buried their mother?

A truly shocking aspect of the whole thing was how quickly Chad was taking Lori around and introducing her to various people, not that long after he buried his wife.

 

[Gardenista]

Didn't Tammy confide in anyone? I just find it so hard to believe that even a very Religious woman wouldn't reach out to someone and mention that someone had accused her husband of cheating on her. It's so sad to me how her children believe their father blindly. It's their mother! She's gone and they don't even care? Not even after TWO children were found buried on their father's property? Come on!

I'm hoping that is the info her co-workers gave to LE after she died

 

[887sMtreme]

The children deeply believe their father was led astray be evil Lori and that Lori and Chad were having an emotional affair and didn't enjoy loin fire consummate their relationship until they were formally married.

Was Chad and Tammy's marriage so far gone that the kids thought it was OK for Chad to marry Lori right after he buried their mother?

A truly shocking aspect of the whole thing was how quickly Chad was taking Lori around and introducing her to various people, not that long after he buried his wife.

I believe someone here noted that in LDS communities, it isn’t unusual for a widower to remarry fairly soon after a spouse dies. If that’s so, perhaps Chad’s behavior in this regard didn’t raise eyebrows.

 

[Kemug]

He knew how to play the culture.

Yes, I think I recall reading a long time ago that in his youth Chad was much admired for his knowledge of scriptures.

 

[Kemug]

I believe someone here noted that in LDS communities, it isn’t unusual for a widower to remarry fairly soon after a spouse dies. If that’s so, perhaps Chad’s behavior in this regard didn’t raise eyebrows.

Is it also common to predict their wives' deaths?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I believe someone here noted that in LDS communities, it isn’t unusual for a widower to remarry fairly soon after a spouse dies. If that’s so, perhaps Chad’s behavior in this regard didn’t raise eyebrows.

Very common.
But listening to Heather Daybell interview.... It was still a shock to most when Chad had done so SOOO soon.
He manipulated his children early, however, according to Heather.

moo

 

[pizzaman12]

Has anyone listened to all three? They're pretty long. Any highlights that stand out?

 

[wnk]

Has anyone listened to all three? They're pretty long. Any highlights that stand out?

I'm nearly done with the first one, and the things that stood out to me (that I hadn't heard before) --

- CD's relationship with his mother -
His autobiography has only a few lines about her, and Heather recalls that the Daybell boys were all much closer with their father than their mother; that CD in particular resented when his mother made her do chores around the house, like taking out the trash, that he considered to be her job.

- CD's reason for moving to Rexburg -
From what I understand of the interview, there was an LDS conference center being built in Rexburg that is a duplicate of the one in SLC, and Heather's bishop (untrained/unpaid congregational leader) mentioned to her that they were pushing to finish it faster because it could be used if something were to happen to the SLC one, and according to this bishop, it would be needed at some point in the future for that purpose. It was only after Heather mentioned this to CD that he got the idea that Rexburg was going to be the End Times 'gathering place'

- CD's isolation of Tammy -
Having only heard the warm, positive things about Tammy that everyone was saying after her death, it was eye-opening to me to hear Heather talk about her sister-in-law as being such a cold, distant person, and Heather realizing, in retrospect, how CD had manipulated her family not to like Tammy (and vice versa, probably) was surprising

- CD's publishing company & LDS leadership -
CD apparently told Heather that an LDS apostle (one of the 13 highest leaders of the church) had read Julie Rowe's books and specifically told CD that he needed to get these out into the world so that people would have this information before the End Times. Heather claims that, even at the time, she didn't believe him.

- CD "retconning" his NDEs -
Heather talks about how CD had never referred to his two incidences as NDEs until after publishing Julie Rowe's books; many of the family was present for one of them, and even though he later claimed he saw his grandpa, he didn't mention it at the time to the family members that were there.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Has anyone listened to all three? They're pretty long. Any highlights that stand out?

I have listened to all three... basically just letting them stream while doing other things.....
She is very well spoken. Strong woman.

Chad has always had trouble with Heather, and truly has tried to turn his family, including brother, Matt (Heather's husband) against her.

She felt, from the minute she heard that Tammy had died, that Chad had something to do with it.

Heather and Matt were NOT HAPPY with them coming to Rexburg. Did not want them in their church ward. But Chad insisted on getting a house that was in their same ward. Tammy was clearly not happy about the move, at first, but she later just kindof fell into the fold to accept it. ( one of Chad's visions beyond the veil). Heather was quick to add, however, that Chad's kids have done quite well in Rexburg. Little extra-diddy---> Chad declared that he "could not live in the house where Tammy died, and was going to stay with a "friend in Rexburg" (didn't know about Lori yet). But his Kids were happy to move into the house, because their apartment was "haunted"

Her descriptions of Chad's parents do enter into some of Chad's hangups.
Chad had decent relationship with Father, but not Mother.
The father was always critical of the women who married their sons. Always their issues were the problems, not the boys.

But she is careful to say that the other brothers have done quite well with their lives.
She talks about Chad was probably jealous of all the other brothers.

She very specifically pointed out the "opportunistic" Chad... He took a couple of events in his life and turned them into those "Near Death" books. AFTER Julie Rowe had made such an impact on people and sales of her books.

People were truly surprised at just how quick he had remarried. But Heather says that Chad's kids were more OK than anyone else. ??? Basically saying Chad was just such a good manipulator... Always manipulated Tammy, and probably all his kids.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Has anyone listened to all three? They're pretty long. Any highlights that stand out?

I am choosing to discuss the Part Three in a separate post, because I know we have had some issues about talking about the religion since the very beginning of the case. So I will this is my opinion of how I heard the final part of the Three-part podcast.

Part Three does discuss Chad a good deal, but it is really much more about Heather's journey and how she had to leave LDS.

But to truly understand Chad's stuff, and Heather herself, the Church is a critical piece to both Lori and Chad. I believe it is on-Topic, so will just share a few details.

Heather says Chad was beginning to push is End-Times stuff A LOT. And that was his very specific reason for wanting to come to Rexburg...is because that was where the "End-Times" stuff was going to be really strong and important.
This was back in the 2015-16 timeframe. Heather did feel surprise at how many people were beginning to show up at events talking about this stuff. (I THINK she said, even before the Prepare the People got big).

Heather said, that even though Chad is such a manipulator, she feels he really did believe this End-Times stuff. And kept making excuses each time the earthquakes did not come.

Chad wanted Matt to read his autobiography, but Matt refused. Heather told Chad, that she would read it. Not what Chad had intended! But she did, and basically told Chad that Matt would never read it.

Chad was gaining lots of friends in the Church. Heather tried to warn higher up Church officers, and she indicates that they did nothing about his radical stuff.

Chad would always say to her "The Church knows what I am doing, and they are fine".

She has determined that what Chad and other off-shoots of LDS have done, is try to go back to the roots of Joseph Smith (polygamy and other practices), and is basically abandoning the Mainstream Church.
And Chad, specifically had the intent of being the head of the whole "new" endeavor when the earthquakes came. (Church of the Firstborn ??)

Heather ultimately did leave the LDS Church, for three reasons.
1. Churches take on LGBTQ (she has a gay son).
2. Patriarchy--how much they force woman to do so much work, but never have authority.
3. Refusal to address the types of things that Chad (and other groups) are doing.

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[squareandrabbet]

Chad wanted Matt to read his autobiography, but Matt refused. Heather told Chad, that she would read it. Not what Chad had intended! But she did, and basically told Chad that Matt would never read it.

 

[wnk]

Has anyone listened to all three? They're pretty long. Any highlights that stand out?

Just finished part 2. These were the things that stood out to me:

- CD had started sitting away from Tammy at church before her death

- Sheila (CD's mother) told Heather that Emma (CD's daughter) had told her that Tammy had pink foam coming out of her mouth at her death

- CD told Garth (CD's son) that he had "dark spirits" and the only way to get rid of them was by moving with them to Rexburg

- Heather believes that CD's defense will be that he was framed

- "CD was not excommunicated before the bodies were found"

- Heather believes that CD may have approached Tammy about polygamy

 

[Love Never Fails]

I am choosing to discuss the Part Three in a separate post, because I know we have had some issues about talking about the religion since the very beginning of the case. So I will this is my opinion of how I heard the final part of the Three-part podcast.

Part Three does discuss Chad a good deal, but it is really much more about Heather's journey and how she had to leave LDS.

But to truly understand Chad's stuff, and Heather herself, the Church is a critical piece to both Lori and Chad. I believe it is on-Topic, so will just share a few details.

Heather says Chad was beginning to push is End-Times stuff A LOT. And that was his very specific reason for wanting to come to Rexburg...is because that was where the "End-Times" stuff was going to be really strong and important.
This was back in the 2015-16 timeframe. Heather did feel surprise at how many people were beginning to show up at events talking about this stuff. (I THINK she said, even before the Prepare the People got big).

Heather said, that even though Chad is such a manipulator, she feels he really did believe this End-Times stuff. And kept making excuses each time the earthquakes did not come.

Chad wanted Matt to read his autobiography, but Matt refused. Heather told Chad, that she would read it. Not what Chad had intended! But she did, and basically told Chad that Matt would never read it.

Chad was gaining lots of friends in the Church. Heather tried to warn higher up Church officers, and she indicates that they did nothing about his radical stuff.

Chad would always say to her "The Church knows what I am doing, and they are fine".

She has determined that what Chad and other off-shoots of LDS have done, is try to go back to the roots of Joseph Smith (polygamy and other practices), and is basically abandoning the Mainstream Church.
And Chad, specifically had the intent of being the head of the whole "new" endeavor when the earthquakes came. (Church of the Firstborn ??)

Heather ultimately did leave the LDS Church, for three reasons.
1. Churches take on LGBTQ (she has a gay son).
2. Patriarchy--how much they force woman to do so much work, but never have authority.
3. Refusal to address the types of things that Chad (and other groups) are doing.

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I watched all three episodes. No reason for me to believe Heather is a liar. Therefore, it is what I have thought all along. Large denominational institutions cover up and lie all the time to look good to the world, not caring that Christ sees through them and will judge them one day for destroying members spiritual lives. Chad Daybell case in point.

 

[mickey2942]

I am interested in CD's defense, that will be so different from LVD's, that the trial should be split.

Wondering why CD has not served LVD with divorce documents yet...or is it the plan that spouses cannot be compelled to testify against each other still in play?