Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #28

[utahobserver]

I don't know what photo you are talking about and maybe it isn't relevant to my question, but how can you tell from a photo if someone is likely an active Mormon? Is it the clothes covering temple garments (if that is the right terminology?)? Or is there something else you are seeing?

ETA: Genuinely curious, and I don't doubt you. Rereading my question it seems glib and that wasn't my intention.

Not being glib but thinking about it, an active member of the LDS church worked as my secretary. She became engaged to a young man who was also actively involved in the church. His family and hers attended the same Ward, I think it's called for their Temple. Anyway, I didn't know right away, but it soon became evident that she wore undergarments that showed, and I was told by some of our coworkers that you can tell a when a woman wears those garments that means she's Mormon.

I can't really remember what else, except she dressed very plain, almost old-fashioned and little or no makeup. JMO, hope this helps!

The words you are looking for are modest and professional.When I first moved to Utah, from NYC, I encountered members of the FDLS. I had no idea they were fundamentalist Mormons. I thought they were pioneer reenactors. Because Utah prescribes to a mountain casual dress code, and being from NYC, I actually dressed more professionally at work than most of my colleagues and was constantly mistaken for being a member of the Mormon faith. I wore a lot of cardigans and scarves. Go figure. Clothing is generally cultural not religious, with obvious exceptions. Best not to assume attributes based on outward appearance.

 

[palmerk1]

I prefer "gravedigger" because that's what it is. Calling the job a sexton is like calling a homemaker a "domestic engineer" or calling a janitor a "plant manager." It's bogus and a sad attempt at self importance.

Respectfully, and as someone who lived across from 2 graveyards growing up, Sextons do a lot more than "just" digging a grave. They take care of the cemetery in every way - cutting grass, plowing, building a fire and watching it in the middle of winter so a grave can be dug. Hand digging graves when machinery would damage other graves. Assisting with funerals, collecting items off graves when necessary --not to mention dealing with families of the dead. They are on call 24X7 - and often have to find someone to take their place if and when they get a vacation. (My Dad occasionally helped). Sextons are often tasked with taking care of the church as well - in fact a lot of Sextons don't even dig graves.

 

[indicolite22]

my vote goes for JM. In the neighborhood, claims all his LE and military experience. I still think there was supposed to be an earlier attempt on CV. (Remember when April in HI said Lori was expecting CV to die). To me is is one obvious "reinforcement" that they thought they could count on.

Since Alex was availabe, I don't see them recruiting someone outside the family. Melani was there as well. IMO the motive in Brandon's case was life insurance, just like with Charles' murder. JM would not have benefited, nor was he the family protector. JM would also not have used a vehicle coming from Rexburg.

 

[divineappt]

With the reality of this scenario, I have no doubt this was AxC, and it was the same gun used to try to kill BB.
There could be a variety of reasons why he missed. For one thing, handguns are more accurate. He may not have practiced enough with this weapon. It was dark, so that too may have affected his aim. This attempted murder, followed by her actual death, points to her death being murder. Just like BB, imagine she were hit and died. How often do random people get mowed down in Rexburg? Like that wouldn't have raised eyebrows?

Just a crazy idea, though it has been mentioned a few times that maybe AxC did not shoot CV. But say he didn’t, someone else does (we know who we are thinking did) then LV sends him to shoot BB, he’s a nervous wreck and misses. Then she sends him to Tammy, same story, he’s never shot anyone, can’t. Tasing someone is way different to most than shooting them. Many men think Taser’s are just fun, like paintball and air soft guns. Kind of a proving ground. JMO MOO

ETA now, poison is different, that one can be set up ahead and doesn’t have to have one there when it takes effect.

 

[tresir2012]

Since Alex was availabe, I don't see them recruiting someone outside the family. Melani was there as well. IMO the motive in Brandon's case was life insurance, just like with Charles' murder. JM would not have benefited, nor was he the family protector. JM would also not have used a vehicle coming from Rexburg.

He is also not a named POI so should not be discussed as mods have made very clear.

 

[jjenny]

I absolutely believe Alex shot Charles Vallow. I really don't see where the ida of a "nervous mess" is coming from. We know for a fact Alex was the one who assaulted husband #3, and he was vindictive enough that he kept asking his friend for husband's #3 information (address) even as he was sitting in jail for assault.

 

[CSIDreamer]

This completely tickled my funny bone. And I'm tying it in re: temple recommends.

"If you bought 30 rolls of toilet paper, you owe 3 rolls to the church. Tithing is not cancelled."

Sorry, not sorry.

 

[Dion]

I’m still not clear who the leader of this cult was/is. Was it Chad? or someone else?

Whoever it was, wouldn’t they be responsible for instructing their followers to get rid of their current spouses and acquire new ones before a certain date? Wouldn’t they also be in line for getting funding from the insurance payoffs to add to the “cult finances”? IMO, they should also be considered responsible for setting off the killing spree.

 

[carbuff]

I prefer "gravedigger" because that's what it is. Calling the job a sexton is like calling a homemaker a "domestic engineer" or calling a janitor a "plant manager." It's bogus and a sad attempt at self importance.

The term "sexton" has been in use since the 14th C in English. It refers to the person whose job is to take care of the property of a church or other sacred place, doing things like mowing, ringing bells, digging graves, etc. Exact duties vary according to the needs of the property being managed.

In a larger church, cemetery, or shrine, the sexton would supervise the actual gravediggers.

 

[caseface]

MOO. Anyone else here know of or following “Q”? The great awakening? Or the white rabbit stuff? Could just be a BIG rabbit hole. But I can’t help but think it may have something to do with this case. I could be completely wrong. I was just red pilled yesterday. Does anyone agree?

This has crossed my mind several times. I am not a follower of the Q stuff; however, it certainly aligns very much with the timing of their beliefs about the end of days. And it is one of the most popular conspiracy theories out there. I have even considered Chad Daybell may be Q.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Marking my place to start the day/week. I wonder what is setting in with Lori and her mental state now...Nobody has come to her rescue...Then we have Chad sitting out in Salem in the family home (Tammy's Home) basically waiting for a SWAT team to pull him out and throw him on the hood of a unmarked car. Someone is going to crack..MOO

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LORI N VALLOW
Custody Record

Age46
GenderFemale
RaceWhite
ID: Madison County Sheriff's Office
ID Number174174
Custody StatusIn Custody
Custody DetailMadison County Detention Center


iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts
Case Information
CR33-20-0302 | State of Idaho Plaintiff, vs. Lori Norene Vallow Defendant.
Case Number
CR33-20-0302

Court
Madison County Magistrate Court

Judicial Officer
Mallard, Michelle Radford

• 05/07/2020 Preliminary Hearing
  
  Judicial Officer
  Mallard, Michelle Radford
  
  Hearing Time
  9:00 AM
  
  
• 05/08/2020 Preliminary Hearing
  
  Judicial Officer
  Mallard, Michelle Radford
  
  Hearing Time
  9:00 AM
  

 

[utahobserver]

MOO. Anyone else here know of or following “Q”? The great awakening? Or the white rabbit stuff? Could just be a BIG rabbit hole. But I can’t help but think it may have something to do with this case. I could be completely wrong. I was just red pilled yesterday. Does anyone agree?

This has crossed my mind several times. I am not a follower of the Q stuff; however, it certainly aligns very much with the timing of their beliefs about the end of days. And it is one of the most popular conspiracy theories out there. I have even considered Chad Daybell may be Q.

Is this the same as Qanon, 4chan, etc.?

 

[carbuff]

This has crossed my mind several times. I am not a follower of the Q stuff; however, it certainly aligns very much with the timing of their beliefs about the end of days. And it is one of the most popular conspiracy theories out there. I have even considered Chad Daybell may be Q.

Hmmm. And that list of "things to accomplish" with the white camps and such sounds a lot like some of the Q-ness, too.

Hmmmmmmmmmm

eta clarification: might be where some of Chad's weirder non-Mormon ideas came from. Not suggesting Q is involved or anything!

(Basic QAnon info from Wikipedia for those who aren't familiar: QAnon - Wikipedia)

 

[tresir2012]

I’m still not clear who the leader of this cult was/is. Was it Chad? or someone else?

Whoever it was, wouldn’t they be responsible for instructing their followers to get rid of their current spouses and acquire new ones before a certain date? Wouldn’t they also be in line for getting funding from the insurance payoffs to add to the “cult finances”? IMO, they should also be considered responsible for setting off the killing spree.

The link I posted states that it was AVOW that Chad was using from at least 2014. This is why I think he moved to Rexburg to be near CP in Rigby. I will find the section from the link that mentions AVOW.

Lori Vallow's husband emailed her in early 2019 about 'seven missions to accomplish together,' source says

Here it is. There is more at the Fox 10 link in the article I posted on the last page and I am providing the actual link above.

"Daybell was author Julie Rowe's former publisher, and she takes us through the mind of her former friend. “When I knew him and was working with him, I did not view him as a cult leader because he never was like that when I was around him. But I have never been to any of the small gatherings that he conducted in different people’s homes in Idaho or Utah,” she said.

The two met through an end of times forum online called "Another Voice of Warning" in 2014. Rowe would go onto write books about visions she says she had after her near-death experience.


Daybell claimed to have similar experiences and spoke about them at events. “He talked about his near-death experience and the visions he’s had about mostly what's coming to Idaho and Utah,” Rowe explained.

That's where Vallow enters the picture. Not only did she read Daybell's books for years, they finally met and by October 2018, and a source says he started emailing the married woman and mother of the now missing JJ Vallow, 7, and Tylee Ryan, 17.


The subject of an obtained email from January 2019 reads: "Seven missions to accomplish together." The plan details translating ancient records, writing a book about it, identifying locations in Arizona for "white camps," the presidency of the Church of Firstborn, establish food distribution as the tribulations start, ordain individuals to translation and provide supplies to righteous members of families.

Rowe says she had distanced herself from Daybell at this point, saying his beliefs evolved into something off base and the information he gave Vallow was false. “He thinks that he has some kind of priesthood authority or sealing power that has been given to him to perform ordinances that one day will be on the Earth but are not now and he has no business messing with any of this,” she said.

She adds, “So I don’t know why he thinks Idaho or Arizona are any place special other than I have seen gathering places there and I know when we talked about it he did too but he seems to have taken it several steps further.”

I wonder if Tammy was part of AVOW also? I doubt it .

 

[CSIDreamer]

Hmmm. And that list of "things to accomplish" with the white camps and such sounds a lot like some of the Q-ness, too.

Hmmmmmmmmmm

(Basic QAnon info from Wikipedia for those who aren't familiar: QAnon - Wikipedia)

We aren't launching into conspiracy theories, are we?

 

[carbuff]

We aren't launching into conspiracy theories, are we?

No, but it might explain where some of the non-Mormon weirdness in Chad's ideas came from.

 

[Drc40]

Respectfully, and as someone who lived across from 2 graveyards growing up, Sextons do a lot more than "just" digging a grave. They take care of the cemetery in every way

The term "sexton" has been in use since the 14th C in English. It refers to the person whose job is to take care of the property of a church or other sacred place

I don’t mean to disagree with either of you but marginalizing Chad feels good.

Let’s just call him and grave digger and handy man. Sounds good to me

Cheers all, stay safe!

 

[tresir2012]

We aren't launching into conspiracy theories, are we?

I think we have enough cults already with AVOW, PTZ and C&D. Now we have the Presidency of the First Born which Chad seems to have his eye on. It's incredible enough as it is really.

 

[scapa]

I think we have enough cults already with AVOW, PTZ and C&D. Now we have the Presidency of the First Born which Chad seems to have his eye on. It's incredible enough as it is really.

Is that an elected position?

This case is both bizarre and timely; seems in its layers of weirdness, cast of characters and array of awful crimes to be almost a diagnosis of the age. Do seasoned followers still see hope that JV and TR are alive and well?

 

[tresir2012]

I don’t mean to disagree with either of you but marginalizing Chad feels good.

Let’s just call him and grave digger and handy man. Sounds good to me

Cheers all, stay safe!

We can call him whatever we like but he began as a grave digger and ended up as a Sexton before moving to Rexburg.