IL - Kenneka Jenkins, 19, found dead in hotel freezer, Rosemont, 10 Sept 2017 #2

[bears10]

I honestly don't think that anyone at this party needed to be drugged. I think this group willingly takes what they choose and have no desire to try to trick someone else into taking something they could just take themselves. I know we never want to believe that our victims would do something that has caused their life to end, but I also would never want to point blame at someone else. That doesn't make anything better. I think this was a sad accident. Many of us could have met with a worse ending, based on our alcohol intake, all on our own. Or drugs. I was never a drug person, but I sure drank enough to make up for it. That bathroom picture someone here posted felt super familiar.

I agree.

Not to mention that more than a couple of people admitted to being a gang member and/or taking E, or knowing others there took it. Why wouldn’t they admit to a prescription pill?

I am also surprised how many people from the party gave statements to LE. On SM, people were acting like no one was saying anything at all. That clearly wasn’t true.

 

[Masonlodge]

What about all the strange coincidences related to the case? Are we not allowed to discuss that?

 

[Whiskers16]

What about all the strange coincidences related to the case? Are we not allowed to discuss that?

I've not been following details too closely on this case, but anything which has been shared by mainstream media or law enforcement is game, including the released pics and docs, as well as anything on the victim's personal social media accounts. So for instance the following would be allowed:
*some foreboding post or caption KJ made on one of her accounts
*something stated/shown in a report or video from a local news channel
*something you noticed from the documents or pictures made public.

But the following examples would not be allowed:
*some "off" posts by friend or relative of KJ
*something stated/shown on a video from a non-media non-law enforcement source like a friend of KJ or a random citizen
*something redacted in the released documents but which you know from your own knowledge or connections to people involved, or from social media of people involved.

 

[Masonlodge]

Ok I noticed in the surveillance footage, the time stamps jump around a lot. When you slow it down, there are discrepancies that alude to parts of the video being blurred/edited out. The autopsy report said she was missing part of her lung and thymus. Her chest area is blurred yet her bottom is exposed. Why didn't they just block the areolas. Also the fake lashes are not in the video footage and she doesn't really wear fake lashes in her other pictures. I don't think it makes sense for her pants to be down, pockets out and especially her hair all matted like that. She was wearing a weave so for those of you who don't know that is not how it looks unless there was a major struggle. the last video of her walking shows her hair straight down. There also appears to be a cut on her side near her belly button. I am waiting on a friend with a medical background to review the autospy report to see if there is anything I missed.

 

[bears10]

Ok I noticed in the surveillance footage, the time stamps jump around a lot. When you slow it down, there are discrepancies that alude to parts of the video being blurred/edited out. The autopsy report said she was missing part of her lung and thymus. Her chest area is blurred yet her bottom is exposed. Why didn't they just block the areolas. Also the fake lashes are not in the video footage and she doesn't really wear fake lashes in her other pictures. I don't think it makes sense for her pants to be down, pockets out and especially her hair all matted like that. She was wearing a weave so for those of you who don't know that is not how it looks unless there was a major struggle. the last video of her walking shows her hair straight down. There also appears to be a cut on her side near her belly button. I am waiting on a friend with a medical background to review the autospy report to see if there is anything I missed.

Regarding the lungs. Most people are born with trilobed (3 lobes) right lungs, but some people are born with bilobed right lungs (2 lobes). That is likely the reason for that. I’m not going to look too much into this in terms of researching bc I came across some graphic pics that really skeeved me out. But a quick google search came up with that answer. Feel free to look more into it.


Regarding the thymus...

It is only active until puberty. After puberty, the thymus starts to slowly shrink and become replaced by fat.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.endocrineweb.com/amp/1115

Keep in mind the family also had a private autopsy. If she was missing organs, I am sure the private autopsy would have noted that if the LE autopsy was untrue.

It was probably easier for them to block the whole chest area instead of blocking out just the areoles.

I’m not seeing a cut on her side by her belly button, I just see shadows and an unflattering angle. JMO

Im not sure what you are getting at with the eyelashes. Do you think someone killed her and then applied fake eyelashes? There’s a pic of her here where it looks like she could very well be wearing fake lashes.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nyda...walking-freezer-doesn-exist-article-1.3508959

All JMO

 

[wasnt_me]

Topamax oxidises. It reacts to air. If you cut a tablet in half, to take half, you have to throw the other part away because the active ingredients rapidly become useless. I know this from my doctor when I was tapering off. This tends to make me think it would probably not work crushed and put in a drink. K had ‘therapeutic’ levels in her body. Sorry to bang on, but let’s be real.

I am gonna be real and wait for an explanation of the levels from an expert, if we ever get one.

I agree.

Not to mention that more than a couple of people admitted to being a gang member and/or taking E, or knowing others there took it. Why wouldn’t they admit to a prescription pill?

I am also surprised how many people from the party gave statements to LE. On SM, people were acting like no one was saying anything at all. That clearly wasn’t true.

Probably because if they are the one to give it to her, they know it had something to do with her death and they don't want to be recognized as giving it to her. If anyone did give it to her. Whether she took it voluntarily or involuntarily. Notice in their interviews the things they "dont know," like how to reach the person who drove them to the party, where their friends are, what their friends' numbers are. I didn't post their attempts to locate people, but they had people lying to them. And notice how everyone says the same thing pretty much. That's either the truth or a conspiracy to lie about the party.

People want to believe she was taking the drug "therapeutically." Even if so, she obstained it illegally. No one else has said how that happened for the same reason I stated above. She got that drug from SOMEWHERE at some point. That's what the police should try to figure out.

 

[wasnt_me]

Ok I noticed in the surveillance footage, the time stamps jump around a lot. When you slow it down, there are discrepancies that alude to parts of the video being blurred/edited out. The autopsy report said she was missing part of her lung and thymus. Her chest area is blurred yet her bottom is exposed. Why didn't they just block the areolas. Also the fake lashes are not in the video footage and she doesn't really wear fake lashes in her other pictures. I don't think it makes sense for her pants to be down, pockets out and especially her hair all matted like that. She was wearing a weave so for those of you who don't know that is not how it looks unless there was a major struggle. the last video of her walking shows her hair straight down. There also appears to be a cut on her side near her belly button. I am waiting on a friend with a medical background to review the autospy report to see if there is anything I missed.

1. The video jumps because of the movement recognition software. It jumps to parts of the videos that contain motion. You CAN, if you have the patience, make the videos show you the non-motion footage. And I believe if you convert it to an MP4, it won't jump at all, BUT you lose the time stamps in the conversion. At least I do with my software.

2. I'd need timestamps to discuss editing or blurriness, but make sure you are looking at the real footage and not doctored footage.

3. The video isn't edited. There are people out there who have altered versions to make youtube conspiracy videos, though.

4. Middle lobe not present. I can't speak on this, but if KJ's sternum had been sawed open, it would go down lower than those boxes shielding her breasts, and this picture right there, shows her breasts with no black box. Maybe there's another way to the lobe than cracking open the chest bone? In the pic, look at the top right one. No boxes on her breasts.



5. I've seen pics and videos of KJ with fake eyelashes.

6. As far as her pants, I figured out from the photos that the police turned her pockets inside out. The pockets are in when she is on her side. They are out when she is turned over. For all we know, checking her pockets could have made the pants slide down.

7. Her hair changed due to the moisture in the freezer. Her body heat melted some of the ice. Her forehead was laying in it, making it wet. We see ice crystals on the back of her head when she's found. She was also rolling around on that floor, on that ice and water that wasn't frozen or that melted due to contact with her. Then she was thawed out on top of it. I do not expect a human hair weave to be perfect after that or after her probably shakind her head, screaming and banging around in that dark, sweating herself out, trying to get out of there. The hair won't be perfect in a situation with water, ice, sweat. I have seen plenty of weaves and wigs go wrong due to percipitation.

This is also why her shoes look as they do on the sides. They material of the shoes soaked in water whenever she was laying in a position for that side of the shoe to touch the floor. Eventally one shoe came off. I have a problem with that shoe. Look at the laces. It looks like she ripped at the to get it off. She untied the other, but left it on. That troubles me right now.

8. Could you upload a picture of the cut on her stomach? I don't see one.

9.More on the pants pulled down. Why would any criminal take the time to pull per pants off and put them back on, then put on one shoe, not tie it and leave the other one off? What was this criminal trying to accomplish?

 

[wasnt_me]

For FYI:

I just read that there are 4 brands of Topamax, including a "Spinkle" version that you can put on your food. Not saying it's what KJ had, but I am saying it's possible to sprinkle this pill into something and it's STILL effective.

https://www.drugs.com/mtm/topamax-sprinkle.html

 

[Masonlodge]

The thymus doesn't start to shrink until about age 20 from what I have read. At 19 it is likely hers was still functioning well. I have seen scientific research showing subjects in their 40s with the thymus still present so it doesn't make sense for hers to not be there. It is currently being researched. Removal leaves a small scar on the neck or chest. You should research it a bit more.

If she was raped, the whole point of putting her clothes on and placing her in the freezer makes sense because you want it to appear she just "went in" the freezer on her own. People set up crimes all the time.

The private autopsy? By whom? I haven't read that, only that the lawyers of her family insist they were not given information. Was this done prior to the LE autopsy because I am pretty sure after they viewed her body in the kitchen reports stated she was taken away immediately.

The picture her hand is cupped like a close up, I see a cut across to the right of her navel.

Her lashes weren't there earlier that day. Every picture I see of her going out or at home she has her own lashes. They look out of place honestly.

I don't know what happened. But based on the reports and news, imo it doesn't appear she just walked into the freezer on her own.

 

[MsFacetious]

I am gonna be real and wait for an explanation of the levels from an expert, if we ever get one.

I highly doubt there will ever be an explanation from an expert because the case is closed.
There may be a couple of pathologists or toxicologists on WS, I know there used to be.
You could always also google, research or even call a pharmacist if you'd like.

I'm a fan of listening to people who have used the medication.
My daughter nearly died because a neurologist put her on two conflicting seizure meds including Topamax. I am the one who caught it. So, my trust in "experts" isn't really very high. :twocents:

I don't care why K was taking Topamax. Doesn't matter to me if she was taking it for headaches, weight loss or recreation. I'm simply commenting on the fact that you don't get therapeutic levels unless you are taking it regularly. This doesn't mean it was legally prescribed, just that it wasn't a one time dose. :twocents:

It is also entirely possible that K had migraines and went to the doctor for it, but didn't mention migraines to her mother. After all she was fighting cancer and had a mastectomy. She had enough on her plate. I certainly wouldn't mention it to mine under those circumstances.

There isn't like a database where they enter her name and see if she has an RX for the med. (Topamax is not an opiate.) They ask family and check with known doctors. However, that doesn't mean she didn't see a new doctor, perhaps on a friends recommendation and get an RX they don't know about.

I just think it's far more reasonable to assume she was taking it regularly. Rather than took some massive dose at the party.

Has anyone seen a report where LE or the ME CONFIRMED she had no prescription for it? I've only seen the FAMILY SAYS she didn't. They are two very different things. Clearly the family was not aware of a lot in this situation. Which is not atypical with teenagers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-kenneka-jenkins-death-20171006-story.html

The testing found alcohol, caffeine and the epilepsy/migraine medication topiramate in Jenkins' system, the office said. Her family said she had not been prescribed the drug, but the level was within the therapeutic range, the office said.

 

[Masonlodge]

1-3 Can you provide me with a link or pm me with an unedited version then? Because when you slow it down frame by frame there are questionable parts.

4. Pictures I see of scars from lung removal are on the side under the arm. We can't see that based in the pictures provided.

5. Please provide links. I don't see any other than maybe one with her and her mother.

6. Fair enough. Should have noted that however.

7. What ice? That was an empty freezer that just got turned on. No ice in any pictures I saw. There are South American mummies that are thousands of years old and frozen found with drugs in their system. Their hair doesn't look remotely like that. Again it is a weave, there is no "sweat" to get to it. Honestly, if that was true it would make sense if we see her leave out portion puffy and a different texture due to the water/ice/humidity but we don't. You have to assume she was yelling and screaming and shaking her head like a looney for that to be true. If we are going to believe that then why not believe other conspiracy theories? The video footage shows her walking around and fixing her hair to make sure it is sleek.

8. I can't upload it, but on the picture you posted, in better versions you can see it. Looks as if it was closed together with surgical glue. Or else it could be semen/snot. idk.

9. Time may have been a factor. Looks like anyone could just pop up in the kitchen. So he could have stopped abruptly in the process (or she/him).

 

[bears10]

The thymus doesn't start to shrink until about age 20 from what I have read. At 19 it is likely hers was still functioning well. I have seen scientific research showing subjects in their 40s with the thymus still present so it doesn't make sense for hers to not be there. It is currently being researched. Removal leaves a small scar on the neck or chest. You should research it a bit more.

If she was raped, the whole point of putting her clothes on and placing her in the freezer makes sense because you want it to appear she just "went in" the freezer on her own. People set up crimes all the time.

The private autopsy? By whom? I haven't read that, only that the lawyers of her family insist they were not given information. Was this done prior to the LE autopsy because I am pretty sure after they viewed her body in the kitchen reports stated she was taken away immediately.

The picture her hand is cupped like a close up, I see a cut across to the right of her navel.

Her lashes weren't there earlier that day. Every picture I see of her going out or at home she has her own lashes. They look out of place honestly.

I don't know what happened. But based on the reports and news, imo it doesn't appear she just walked into the freezer on her own.

Here ya go. Hopefully it will put to rest the organ harvesting theory (I thought we weren’t allowed to discuss that anymore bc it’s clearly a conspiracy theory).

The court filings also revealed that attorneys for Jenkins' family conducted a private investigation of the 19-year-old's death and found no evidence of injury from a physical attack or sexual assault.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-kenneka-jenkins-death-20171006-story.html

This is from a Chicago sun time reporters twitter .... https://mobile.twitter.com/samjcharles/status/916376805329731584

 

[Masonlodge]

I didn't say anything about organ harvesting or a conspiracy theory. I am stating the facts from the report and the pictures. Her middle right lung lobe and thymus is missing. I can also post pictures of something I typed on legal paper and say it was legit. Where is the full document? I don't see any evidence of a private investigation or what time it occurred.

 

[bears10]

I didn't say anything about organ harvesting or a conspiracy theory. I am stating the facts from the report and the pictures. Her middle right lung lobe and thymus is missing. I can also post pictures of something I typed on legal paper and say it was legit. Where is the full document? I don't see any evidence of a private investigation or what time it occurred.

The court filings also revealed that attorneys for Jenkins' family conducted a private investigation of the 19-year-old's death and found no evidence of injury from a physical attack or sexual assault.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...006-story.html


I mean you’ll believe that someone put fake eyelashes on her after she died and random youtubers but not something posted by a Chicago Tribune reporter? If her middle lobe and thymus missing were an issue, why would the ME even include it in the autopsy report? Why would The private autopsy investigation not make a big deal out of it? I guess I just can’t understand why some people need this to be a huge cover up/conspiracy. It’s as if it’s better if she was raped and murdered for some people. Sad.

 

[Masonlodge]

Your link is broken. Still you probably linked the same quote that doesn't state when this "private investigation" occurred and who did it. If it was done, there should be a report. I don't see any legal fillings on the case.

Where did I link to random youtubers? I, just like you, can look into it and come to my own conclusions. I don't know why its missing. It's not IF it is missing, read the report because it is missing.

The reality is for all those things to happen in the manner they did and end up with Kenneka in a freezer it's just completely random and doesn't add up. I don't know all the answers but I can see how some people would rather think it's an easy case than actually think about it critically. Because there's no way it makes sense. I really wish the Feds would have taken over especially since the city had evidence of foul play with the police department not too long ago.

If one can say there was foul play with the ramsey girl or nicole simpson then I don't see how this is that different if you pay attention to the details.

 

[bears10]

Your link is broken. Still you probably linked the same quote that doesn't state when this "private investigation" occurred and who did it. If it was done, there should be a report. I don't see any legal fillings on the case.

Where did I link to random youtubers? I, just like you, can look into it and come to my own conclusions. I don't know why its missing. It's not IF it is missing, read the report because it is missing.

The reality is for all those things to happen in the manner they did and end up with Kenneka in a freezer it's just completely random and doesn't add up. I don't know all the answers but I can see how some people would rather think it's an easy case than actually think about it critically. Because there's no way it makes sense. I really wish the Feds would have taken over especially since the city had evidence of foul play with the police department not too long ago.

If one can say there was foul play with the ramsey girl or nicole simpson then I don't see how this is that different if you pay attention to the details.

Um bc Jon Benet Ramsey had a fractured skull and was strangled. Nicole Brown Simpson was stabbed to death. How are these two cases relevant to this case? I can assume why you brought them up but I’m not feeding into that.

If deep down someone believes kenneka was murdered, I don’t think anything anyone posts or proves will change his or her mind.

 

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[possumheart]

For FYI:

I just read that there are 4 brands of Topamax, including a "Spinkle" version that you can put on your food. Not saying it's what KJ had, but I am saying it's possible to sprinkle this pill into something and it's STILL effective.

https://www.drugs.com/mtm/topamax-sprinkle.html

Thank you. That’s amazing. So my doctor was being specific to what is available in Australia, and the type that she prescribed to me. Makes sense. I have had liquid Epilim when I was tapering off that, so my mind is open to Topamax variants.

 

[possumheart]

I highly doubt there will ever be an explanation from an expert because the case is closed.
There may be a couple of pathologists or toxicologists on WS, I know there used to be.
You could always also google, research or even call a pharmacist if you'd like.

I'm a fan of listening to people who have used the medication.
My daughter nearly died because a neurologist put her on two conflicting seizure meds including Topamax. I am the one who caught it. So, my trust in "experts" isn't really very high. :twocents:

I don't care why K was taking Topamax. Doesn't matter to me if she was taking it for headaches, weight loss or recreation. I'm simply commenting on the fact that you don't get therapeutic levels unless you are taking it regularly. This doesn't mean it was legally prescribed, just that it wasn't a one time dose. :twocents:

It is also entirely possible that K had migraines and went to the doctor for it, but didn't mention migraines to her mother. After all she was fighting cancer and had a mastectomy. She had enough on her plate. I certainly wouldn't mention it to mine under those circumstances.

There isn't like a database where they enter her name and see if she has an RX for the med. (Topamax is not an opiate.) They ask family and check with known doctors. However, that doesn't mean she didn't see a new doctor, perhaps on a friends recommendation and get an RX they don't know about.

I just think it's far more reasonable to assume she was taking it regularly. Rather than took some massive dose at the party.

Has anyone seen a report where LE or the ME CONFIRMED she had no prescription for it? I've only seen the FAMILY SAYS she didn't. They are two very different things. Clearly the family was not aware of a lot in this situation. Which is not atypical with teenagers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-kenneka-jenkins-death-20171006-story.html

The testing found alcohol, caffeine and the epilepsy/migraine medication topiramate in Jenkins' system, the office said. Her family said she had not been prescribed the drug, but the level was within the therapeutic range, the office said.

The ‘therapeutic level’ thing is indeed interesting.

 

[CARIIS]

The ‘therapeutic level’ thing is indeed interesting.

I think the term in this instance may be misleading.

She partied regularly according to peers.


Its a range!

If taken as ordered it can build up - but if someone was given more than one should take the parts per whatever in blood would be high and just might be within that range at time of death

I migrated when younger- people around you would know- it knocks you off your feet (literally for 2-4 days)

A mom would know as well. IMO same as seizures . There really would be no reason for either to be hidden .

Ranges are used to get to max benefit with least side effect profile.

Yes she was drinking, she drank before -so I would think she know not to take it if she planned on partying.

IMO look at the results - ended up in freezer. I would think that might translate to someone being also able to rape in terms of her ability to fight back.

Sadly it is also smart if folks are engaging in forced sex without consent would be better if the well known date drugs were not in the system.

moo- the levels found could be unwillingly provided or taken..................