IL - Kenneka Jenkins, 19, found dead in hotel freezer, Rosemont, 10 Sept 2017 #2

[wasnt_me]

I highly doubt there will ever be an explanation from an expert because the case is closed.
There may be a couple of pathologists or toxicologists on WS, I know there used to be.
You could always also google, research or even call a pharmacist if you'd like.

I'm a fan of listening to people who have used the medication.
My daughter nearly died because a neurologist put her on two conflicting seizure meds including Topamax. I am the one who caught it. So, my trust in "experts" isn't really very high. :twocents:

I don't care why K was taking Topamax. Doesn't matter to me if she was taking it for headaches, weight loss or recreation. I'm simply commenting on the fact that you don't get therapeutic levels unless you are taking it regularly. This doesn't mean it was legally prescribed, just that it wasn't a one time dose. :twocents:

It is also entirely possible that K had migraines and went to the doctor for it, but didn't mention migraines to her mother. After all she was fighting cancer and had a mastectomy. She had enough on her plate. I certainly wouldn't mention it to mine under those circumstances.

There isn't like a database where they enter her name and see if she has an RX for the med. (Topamax is not an opiate.) They ask family and check with known doctors. However, that doesn't mean she didn't see a new doctor, perhaps on a friends recommendation and get an RX they don't know about.

I just think it's far more reasonable to assume she was taking it regularly. Rather than took some massive dose at the party.

Has anyone seen a report where LE or the ME CONFIRMED she had no prescription for it? I've only seen the FAMILY SAYS she didn't. They are two very different things. Clearly the family was not aware of a lot in this situation. Which is not atypical with teenagers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-kenneka-jenkins-death-20171006-story.html

The testing found alcohol, caffeine and the epilepsy/migraine medication topiramate in Jenkins' system, the office said. Her family said she had not been prescribed the drug, but the level was within the therapeutic range, the office said.

As I already said, I will wait for an expert before deciding things are the way "I" would think or do in relation to this drug. I do not believe she was regularly taking this drug. I do not have to believe she was taking it regularly. I do not know that. I only know that the "therapeutic" levels are between 2400 and 8000.

The report does not say that she has 3000 in her system from daily dosing. It doesn't say that. All I know is that this drug takes 21 hours to go to half life, so if someone gave her a few of these and she took them, maybe that's why the level is what it is.We don't know. A toxicologist needs to explain it.

 

[wasnt_me]

1-3 Can you provide me with a link or pm me with an unedited version then? Because when you slow it down frame by frame there are questionable parts.

4. Pictures I see of scars from lung removal are on the side under the arm. We can't see that based in the pictures provided.

5. Please provide links. I don't see any other than maybe one with her and her mother.

6. Fair enough. Should have noted that however.

7. What ice? That was an empty freezer that just got turned on. No ice in any pictures I saw. There are South American mummies that are thousands of years old and frozen found with drugs in their system. Their hair doesn't look remotely like that. Again it is a weave, there is no "sweat" to get to it. Honestly, if that was true it would make sense if we see her leave out portion puffy and a different texture due to the water/ice/humidity but we don't. You have to assume she was yelling and screaming and shaking her head like a looney for that to be true. If we are going to believe that then why not believe other conspiracy theories? The video footage shows her walking around and fixing her hair to make sure it is sleek.

8. I can't upload it, but on the picture you posted, in better versions you can see it. Looks as if it was closed together with surgical glue. Or else it could be semen/snot. idk.

9. Time may have been a factor. Looks like anyone could just pop up in the kitchen. So he could have stopped abruptly in the process (or she/him).

All the items are on rosemont's website containing all the files, pictures,videos everything. You can access it and provide proof of what you're talking about. There's ice chunks all over the floor. You will see in the pictures. Water in the air can so friz a human hair weave, and so can sweating under the weave. I don't know if her hair was matted or frozen.

I do believe KJ was rolling on the floor, banging into the walls. I think she might have gone mad in there before passing out. Water was dripping from the fan and it dripped on her and the floor. It was forming ice on the floor beneath it. KJ practically laid in it, as evidenced by her wet right side.

Here is one piece of ice that got knocked across th freezer from where the rest of the ice was, which is evidence to me that she was writhing in the freezer.

https://rosemontpublicsafety.app.box.com/s/zzokoiwo458b1eanwci0khwge6of6fcn/file/239574799867

In this picture, she has ice on the sides of her elbows. and she has ice mist in her hair. Notice her back is wet. If you zoom in, you can see water on the floor.

face down pic

This is a picture of what was dripping down on the floor and wall. It comes from the forensic video of the freezer.



Raping and taking organs seem to be at cross purpose. Two different motives that require a whole different set of evidence for each, but we have neither. Without the coronor to explain what a missing lobe means and in absence of an incision or proof, we can't say she was operated on. The lungs are behind your ribs. I'm not a surgeon, but you have to saw the ribs to get to them. That is no quick or small task, I'm assuming.

Her pants are on her. The report shows no signs of rape. The odds of rape are low.

Fake lashes:

KJ fake lashes

Fake lashes 2

This is the website. You can see everything.

https://rosemontpublicsafety.app.box.com/s/zzokoiwo458b1eanwci0khwge6of6fcn/folder/40756106079

 

[Spellbound]

All the items are on rosemont's website containing all the files, pictures,videos everything. You can access it and provide proof of what you're talking about. There's ice chunks all over the floor. You will see in the pictures. Water in the air can so friz a human hair weave, and so can sweating under the weave. I don't know if her hair was matted or frozen.

I do believe KJ was rolling on the floor, banging into the walls. I think she might have gone mad in there before passing out. Water was dripping from the fan and it dripped on her and the floor. It was forming ice on the floor beneath it. KJ practically laid in it, as evidenced by her wet right side.

Here is one piece of ice that got knocked across th freezer from where the rest of the ice was, which is evidence to me that she was writhing in the freezer.

https://rosemontpublicsafety.app.box.com/s/zzokoiwo458b1eanwci0khwge6of6fcn/file/239574799867

In this picture, she has ice on the sides of her elbows. and she has ice mist in her hair. Notice her back is wet. If you zoom in, you can see water on the floor.

face down pic

This is a picture of what was dripping down on the floor and wall. It comes from the forensic video of the freezer.

Raping and taking organs seem to be at cross purpose. Two different motives that require a whole different set of evidence for each, but we have neither. Without the coronor to explain what a missing lobe means and in absence of an incision or proof, we can't say she was operated on. The lungs are behind your ribs. I'm not a surgeon, but you have to saw the ribs to get to them. That is no quick or small task, I'm assuming.

Her pants are on her. The report shows no signs of rape. The odds of rape are low.

Fake lashes:

KJ fake lashes

Fake lashes 2

This is the website. You can see everything.

https://rosemontpublicsafety.app.box.com/s/zzokoiwo458b1eanwci0khwge6of6fcn/folder/40756106079

Do I need a specific app or account in order to open your two links? I only get a blank page. Thanks

(your posts have been helpful to me.)

 

[bears10]

Do I need a specific app or account in order to open your two links? I only get a blank page. Thanks

(your posts have been helpful to me.)

I had a hard time too. Try this link for the FOIA docs

https://m.box.com/shared_item/https...ty.box.com/s/zzokoiwo458b1eanwci0khwge6of6fcn

 

[wasnt_me]

What I think happened to Kenneka:

Here's what I think happened. With all the information we have now, let me know what you think or what your theory is.

I think she partied with pills, as the interviewees have said. I think she was upset about her boyfriend being in jail, as her friends indicated. She probably was open to taking a different pill from someone because she wanted to "have fun" as people were telling her and take her mind off her boyfriend being in jail. Or this might not be the first time she used it as a party drug, just the first time she got lost while on it.

Once KJ took this pill, she started drinking more and drinking from the bottle, as other narratives said. At some point Monifah got sick and had to throw up for whatever reason. Kenneka got overheated about that time and started going out the door by the bathroom. Maya probably noticed as she was dealing with throwing up Monifah.

Maya left Monifah to go get KJ. KJ was in the hall, staggering, ready to go, hot, everything. Maya was like, we have to get monifah and where are your keys and stuff? Maya probably tried to get KJ to go in the room but KJ was too hot and irritated and wanted the air so either maya left her in the hall or KJ just didn't follow Maya, as Maya stated.

M&M probably decided it was fine to leave KJ in the hall, getting air. It took them a few minutes of searching the room to figure out Brebre had KJ's stuff. When they went in the hall to tell KJ they had to wait for brebre to get back, KJ was gone.

KJ probably thought she'd go find brebre or go wait in the car. She could have gotten off on different floors even before finally getting off on LL. I say that because brebre got back to the room around 305am and KJ got off the elevator 20 minutes later. Brebre says KJ wasn't there when she got back, and the other partygoers put KJ leaving the room at 3am. Something's just not right with this timeframe, but anyway...

After wandering down the long hall, KJ saw this:



The white square at the top might be an exit sign. She walked through the kitchen and wound up on the other hallway with the bathrooms. She turned around and saw this:



Another exit sign.

This time, when she went through the double doors, she saw this in the hallway:



The exit sign is pointing toward the stairs. Note that she was on the opposite side of the hall from the photographer when she saw this. Once she got upstairs, I have no idea why she didn't go out the exit that was there--unless those doors were locked at the top so she couldn't open them.



I don't know. It puzzles me. The exit door was right across from the stairs, but she had to make a sharp left to get into the kitchen with the freezer.

Other theories?

 

[wasnt_me]

Do I need a specific app or account in order to open your two links? I only get a blank page. Thanks

(your posts have been helpful to me.)

Sorry. They are working for me. Probably in my cache. Which two links? I'll see if I can fix it or repost.

Bear's link works. Or for the evidence site, you can also click this:

http://www.rosemont.com/government/village-hall/freedom-of-information/

and then select the link with Kenneka's case.

These are the ice pictures again:







Looking more at her hair,I do think the top that looks matted is the "leave out." For those who don't know, that's the real person's hair left in the open. The short pieces have to be the leave out, and the top of her head looks s if it was pressed against the freezer wall or floor.

 

[Spellbound]

I don’t understand why some may believe there was organ harvesting after reading the autopsy results.

Nirmalky, we have two lobes in the left lung and three in the right. However, though rare, there are many cases of only two lobes in the right king, called “middle lobe syndrome.” Often, it is the result of persistent asthma or bronchial difficulty.
A few of the many links available if you want more info on right middle lobe syndrome:
https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1003864-clinical

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/conditions/adult/pediatrics/right_middle_lobe_syndrome_22,RightMiddleLobeSyndrome

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1003864-overview



As for the thymus, it starts to shrink after puberty (https://www.endocrineweb.com/endocrinology/overview-thymus ). Kenneka was 19, we do not know when she went through puberty, but it makes sense the thymus would already be shrinking and not easily identified.

 

[wasnt_me]

I Never heard mom say they talked twice di any of you?

Trying to get through the texts I thought god that must be like posts are !!

I also found it interesting ( I think it was Irene) that the texts were in crazy talk - for lack of a better word - then went normal ??

Her mom says a lot of different stuff. Her mom even said that about the 11th floor, but nowhere in any interview does anyone mention going to a different room. The hotel doesn't mention renting more than one room, so I don't know. But then in a police report, they claim they saw activity the next day through a window of a room on the 11th floor, but it turned out to be a kid's party on the 13th floor.

From what I gather, they called her twice and then took her the car. You can see Brebre on the phone at about 430am while they are searching.

Brebre might feel a lot of guilt if she was the one holding them up because she had the phone and keys but had left the party. I don't know if I believe why she left. She and Irene said she went with a girl to help her GPS locate some friends. I haven't found Brebre leaving the hotel with anyone yet.

I have a hard time with their texts. I have to read them outloud to understand. I hope they really don't think that is how you spell some of that stuff.

I was trying to understand what Brebre was talking about. Someone had a boot on their car?

Irene was wrong about her times. there's no way KJ and crew got there at 130am but left at "two something." The snapchats indicate everyone but Brebre was there around 240am. Wow, then, Brebre was gone for a while. What was she up to?

 

[Spellbound]

I had a hard time too. Try this link for the FOIA docs

https://m.box.com/shared_item/https...ty.box.com/s/zzokoiwo458b1eanwci0khwge6of6fcn

Thanks, Bears! That works for me.

Sorry. They are working for me. Probably in my cache. Which two links? I'll see if I can fix it or repost.

Bear's link works. Or for the evidence site, you can also click this:

http://www.rosemont.com/government/village-hall/freedom-of-information/

and then select the link with Kenneka's case.

(snipped for brevity by me)

thanks for for your help... this works.

Have you looked at Gray Hughes last video that was posted I believe yesterday? it helped me to understand the route she probably took a lot better. Oops ... of course you have ... I went back to find the link and it was you who posted it. Here’s s link to it for anyone who may have missed it. https://youtu.be/0BBOI2cDL2g.


It was the two from Rosemont Public Safety in this post:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...semont-10-Sept-2017-2&p=13713791#post13713791
thaks to you and Bears, I can see a lot more now.

 

[bears10]

I don’t understand why some may believe there was organ harvesting after reading the autopsy results.

Nirmalky, we have two lobes in the left lung and three in the right. However, though rare, there are many cases of only two lobes in the right king, called “middle lobe syndrome.” Often, it is the result of persistent asthma or bronchial difficulty.
A few of the many links available if you want more info on right middle lobe syndrome:
https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1003864-clinical

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/conditions/adult/pediatrics/right_middle_lobe_syndrome_22,RightMiddleLobeSyndrome

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1003864-overview



As for the thymus, it starts to shrink after puberty (https://www.endocrineweb.com/endocrinology/overview-thymus ). Kenneka was 19, we do not know when she went through puberty, but it makes sense the thymus would already be shrinking and not easily identified.

Yes both of those are not alarming at all, and are very easily explained. However, when you want to believe something, especially something so fantastical, you will disregard the medical facts and dig for articles that fit your narrative. Again, I cannot for the life of me understand why people WANT kenneka to have been raped, murdered, organ harvested, etc. Why do people want so badly to force a narrative where this poor young woman would have suffered more than she actually did in reality? Sad.

 

[bears10]

Her mom says a lot of different stuff. Her mom even said that about the 11th floor, but nowhere in any interview does anyone mention going to a different room. The hotel doesn't mention renting more than one room, so I don't know. But then in a police report, they claim they saw activity the next day through a window of a room on the 11th floor, but it turned out to be a kid's party on the 13th floor.

From what I gather, they called her twice and then took her the car. You can see Brebre on the phone at about 430am while they are searching.

Brebre might feel a lot of guilt if she was the one holding them up because she had the phone and keys but had left the party. I don't know if I believe why she left. She and Irene said she went with a girl to help her GPS locate some friends. I haven't found Brebre leaving the hotel with anyone yet.

I have a hard time with their texts. I have to read them outloud to understand. I hope they really don't think that is how you spell some of that stuff.

I was trying to understand what Brebre was talking about. Someone had a boot on their car?

Irene was wrong about her times. there's no way KJ and crew got there at 130am but left at "two something." The snapchats indicate everyone but Brebre was there around 240am. Wow, then, Brebre was gone for a while. What was she up to?

Maybe bre was with a guy, maybe she was doing drugs, or maybe she was really going to pick someone up who didn’t end up coming to the party. I’m 31 but I remember being 19 and that type of “drama” so to speak. “We have to go pick so and so up”. Get to where “so and so” is, and they end up not coming for whatever reason. I don’t see anything super suspicious if she left for a while JMO

 

[wasnt_me]

Brebre left the party and went to the car at around 155am. She went ALONE. So...so much for this stick together mess. She came back pretty quickly.

She left again with a group around 226am and returned at 331am. I had the times all off in my earlier post. So she returned a minute before KJ was in the freezer. she left with some people, but none of them went to the front desk to get validated. That makes me wonder if they were picked up or if they never left the parking lot. I doubt they'd drive a car out of the lot without getting the parking validated. Or they could have not parked in the hotel lot.

She didn't take her jacket with her.

By 331am, I wonder what was going on upstairs. because we don't see M&M in the lobby until 350-355am. And Brebre is not with them. But they had to have told Brebre between 336am and 350am, right?

I find it suspicious because they are not keeping girl code, like they told KJ's mom. Brebre keeps going off on her own as if she isn't really tight with the group. Additionally, she lags behind the others when the three of them search for KJ. Have you noticed that on the video? I'm not saying it's criminally suspcious. I'm just looking for why this happened.

Brebre not being where she should be might play a role. How is she gonna be gone like that for an hour with KJ's keys and possibly her phone?

Plus, Brebre said she texted KJ that she was 10 minutes away and also texted asking if Smack was at the party. KJ responded to neither text, BUT I don't see those texts on her phone or Kenneka's phone. Why not?

 

[wasnt_me]

thanks for for your help... this works.

Have you looked at Gray Hughes last video that was posted I believe yesterday? it helped me to understand the route she probably took a lot better. Oops ... of course you have ... I went back to find the link and it was you who posted it. Here’s s link to it for anyone who may have missed it. https://youtu.be/0BBOI2cDL2g.


It was the two from Rosemont Public Safety in this post:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...semont-10-Sept-2017-2&p=13713791#post13713791
thaks to you and Bears, I can see a lot more now.

Yeah, watching that video is what made the Exit signs stick out to me. I just don't get why she didn't go out of the exit--unless it was barred or somehow locked to prevent it, which caused her to wander again.

It's just really hard for people to accept that Kenneka did this to herself. I can't find another conclusion, but it's still hard for me to believe it. I have to accept it or believe that dozens of people were in on a super elaborate scheme. I really can't believe the hotel would do it. There are easier ways to get some organs than this if that's what they want.

When you take the hotel out of the equation, it becomes unlikely that anyone led her down there because no one can avoid the camera in the room with the freezer. The police should know if the footage is questionable or compromised. And it takes time to do that. It takes time to edit a person frame by frame out of video. Then you will be saving a new file, right? With new times How do you hide that on several camera files?

The only thing I can think of is if the person who did something came in through that exit by those stairs. But they'd still have to be lucky enough for KJ to wind up back there, too. Then they'd have to get the hotel to clip them entering and leaving the freezer area out of the footage. That's easier, I would think, than editing a person out of it with KJ in it, but still...I just think that's too slim a chance. But it would be the only camera to alter if it happened that way.

Oh, also, there is no other camera near the freezer. Unless the hotel took it off the wall, I don't know what camera her mom and sister meant. You can see that there isn't any when you look at the long shots of the entire room.

Many of these misconceptions need to be cleared up so that Kenneka and her family can have some peace. I can't imagine losing someone and going through all this conspiracy mess on top of it.

 

[wasnt_me]

Kenneka Jenkins was definitely alive and walking around in the freezer, according to her footprints on the floor and on the white cardboard on the floor. I asked gray hughes to do a video. Hopefully, he will.

This is Kenneka's jordan print



Here are zoomed in screen clips of the floor:





There are more instances, but you should be able to find them. These come from the photo called DSC_0054.

You can tell she's stumbling around. I saw what might be other shoe prints, but if they are there, they could belong to the idiot taking the pictures, who went in there without protective footies.

Also notice a long hair on the floor. That's small circumstantial proof that she was still running her hands through her hair, helping it friz up and possibly pulling it out -- as I think weave tracks were in that mystery bag the police had.

More of her hair on her shoe:

 

[JusThaFax]

Dr Oz is going to discuss the Kenneka case on his show next Tuesday! I can’t wait to see if his theory matches up with ours!

 

[Spellbound]

Dr Oz is going to discuss the Kenneka case on his show next Tuesday! I can’t wait to see if his theory matches up with ours!

I don’t usually watch Dr. Oz. Can someone tell me what channel name and approximate time the show is on?

 

[bears10]

Dr Oz is going to discuss the Kenneka case on his show next Tuesday! I can’t wait to see if his theory matches up with ours!

Hi Jus. Which theory are you referring to when you say matches up with ours? I don’t feel like everyone is on the same page about what happened to kenneka so I am not sure which theory you mean.

I’ve never watched dr oz but I’ve heard him on z100 morning show a few times. What channel is he on??

 

[JusThaFax]

Hi Jus. Which theory are you referring to when you say matches up with ours? I don’t feel like everyone is on the same page about what happened to kenneka so I am not sure which theory you mean.

I’ve never watched dr oz but I’ve heard him on z100 morning show a few times. What channel is he on??

I knew someone was going to ask about the theory as soon as I posted that *lol* I meant our own individual theories. I know we don’t all agree on exactly what happened, but I think most of us believe it was an accident. I’m looking forward to hearing an explanation from the doctor. I don’t watch his show either. I’m just going to search for it on Direct TV and set my DVR.

 

[sniggy]

What is a logical explaination for the spec of blood that was on her right foot and why her right shoe was off somewhere in the other side of the freezer?

I keep thinking about how she’s kicking the door trying to escape and she’s kicking so hard that the right shoe flew off. When that shoe flew off without her realizing she kicked the door again and banged it against the metal door causing injury to herself.

I couldn’t think of any other ways as to why there’s blood on that foot and I haven’t seen much discussion regarding the blood, unless I’ve missed it, so I’m real curious as to what you all would think about the cut on her right foot.

 

[Matic]

Ok I noticed in the surveillance footage, the time stamps jump around a lot. When you slow it down, there are discrepancies that alude to parts of the video being blurred/edited out. The autopsy report said she was missing part of her lung and thymus. Her chest area is blurred yet her bottom is exposed. Why didn't they just block the areolas. Also the fake lashes are not in the video footage and she doesn't really wear fake lashes in her other pictures. I don't think it makes sense for her pants to be down, pockets out and especially her hair all matted like that. She was wearing a weave so for those of you who don't know that is not how it looks unless there was a major struggle. the last video of her walking shows her hair straight down. There also appears to be a cut on her side near her belly button. I am waiting on a friend with a medical background to review the autospy report to see if there is anything I missed.

Her pants being partially down is fairly easy to explain. It's called "Paradoxical undressing"