IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #1

[Cubby]

I agree that MOST druggies are sleeping in. But not high school kids. There are a lot of students that get high on heroin or oxy that still manage to make it to school on time. Or close to on time.

I think it's unlikely someone nodding out would be able escape the two mile search area when LE was there 8 minutes later and get out of that woodsy swampy area. Meth maybe, but IDK if the area is known for meth.

There's nothing indicating the age of the suspects so I think we have to consider it might not be HS kids. IDK why but I just don't seen teenagers killing a cop on the way to school. Getting high or being caught high doesn't seem like it would be enough to provoke killing a cop. Someone really had to not want to get caught bad enough to kill.


On another note. I don't recall any mention in msm if the closed cement plant is secured well enough to keep people out.

Way too many questions.....

 

[Cubby]

Maybe the officer didn't willingly go into the swampy area. He might have been following them out in the open area, to keep eyes on them until back up arrived. He could have planned to stand his ground to prevent them from doubling back and waited for backup. But one may have overpowered him, or had their own weapon and then forced him into the swampy remote area. ?

I thought he didn't wait for back up and stated he was pursuing them on foot as they ran into the swamp on the first radio call.

Why would people running away from the officer go back to shoot him and then pull him into the swampy area? Why wouldn't they just run? Lt. CG probably wouldn't have a good shot at them if they were in a woodsy swampy area.


Another thought, if he was holding down the radio when communication was lost why wouldn't a shot be heard over the radio?

So many questions it's gonna make my head spin. I just wish we had more info.

 

[Cubby]

And then another possibility is there were more than three. Three ran one way and were seen by the officer and others ran in a different direction remaining unseen and that person or one of additional persons shot Lt. CG from a different direction. Lots of possibilities.

 

[katydid23]

I think it's unlikely someone nodding out would be able escape the two mile search area when LE was there 8 minutes later and get out of that woodsy swampy area. Meth maybe, but IDK if the area is known for meth.

There's nothing indicating the age of the suspects so I think we have to consider it might not be HS kids. IDK why but I just don't seen teenagers killing a cop on the way to school. Getting high or being caught high doesn't seem like it would be enough to provoke killing a cop. Someone really had to not want to get caught bad enough to kill.


On another note. I don't recall any mention in msm if the closed cement plant is secured well enough to keep people out.

Way too many questions.....

It is not necessarily high school kids who shot him. It could be a drug dealer that was selling to them. If he was on probation then he would have a good motive. Getting caught might mean 20 yrs in prison if so. People kill for much less.

Also, dealers are not always users of the drugs they sell. And I do think this area had a lot of meth users. Seems like every rural community /suburb does these days.

Why would this specific area be routinely patrolled if it was not a high crime/high drug area?

 

[katydid23]

I thought he didn't wait for back up and stated he was pursuing them on foot as they ran into the swamp on the first radio call.

Why would people running away from the officer go back to shoot him and then pull him into the swampy area? Why wouldn't they just run? Lt. CG probably wouldn't have a good shot at them if they were in a woodsy swampy area.


Another thought, if he was holding down the radio when communication was lost why wouldn't a shot be heard over the radio?

So many questions it's gonna make my head spin. I just wish we had more info.

I didnt mean they would drag him in to the swampy area. I meant that he might have been avoiding going into that are and waiting for back up, but he was forced at gun point to walk back in there. They would want to be more hidden, imo.

 

[leah]

I agree that MOST druggies are sleeping in. But not high school kids. There are a lot of students that get high on heroin or oxy that still manage to make it to school on time. Or close to on time.

That is exactly what I have been thinking. High school kids, a drug deal, and then the Lt. showed up. And then the robbery idea, that is the other thought, other then that, I really don't know what else could have happened.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The service touched me. The Chaplain's words were comforting imo.
At the end of the funeral a banner thing appeared on the TV screen with the words ~

Forever in Our Hearts

Charles Joseph Gliniewicz

End of Watch

09/01/2015

The graphic has the first line gently arched with the other lines centered below.
Reading the words "End of Watch" opened my flood gates.

The Chaplain's sermon addressed the fact (or idea) that we are all children of God and how God loves us despite our mistakes or imperfections.
It isn't clear why he chose the words he did.
Maybe I'm reading too much into the direction he took due to the secrecy surrounding the details of the crime and speculation of who the suspects may be.

The Chaplain or Reverend has a commanding presence and his style appeals to me.

 

[Cubby]

If it were a dealer selling to teens and the dealer shot him, why wouldn't the teens come forward? I think a drug buy during which there was a shooting the buying teens would want to distance themselves from the dealer/shooter as much as possible. I'd think that was way more than the teens would have bargained for. Especially if they are still making it to school and haven't dropped out.

 

[katydid23]

If it were a dealer selling to teens and the dealer shot him, why wouldn't the teens come forward? I think a drug buy during which there was a shooting the buying teens would want to distance themselves from the dealer/shooter as much as possible. I'd think that was way more than the teens would have bargained for. Especially if they are still making it to school and haven't dropped out.

Maybe. But then again, if they were doing a felony and a killing occurred, they could be culpable for felony murder. That might make them hesitate.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The update or talk to the public is scheduled for 12:30 p.m. tomorrow.

 

[hockeymom4]

I was just watching a real life show on TV. Two cops see three suspicious males and she tells her partner, pull over, we need to check them out. They jump out and as they do, one starts to throw something as they run. The end up cuffing them and finding a bag with a lot of drugs. One of the guys gets arrested for dealing. They search the other guys car and find a small amount so he gets arrested for possession. Not sure what happened to the third guy.

Got me thinking..... He approached three suspicious guys, as they did and many good cops wanting to protect the community. Maybe they ended up throwing drugs.

Another story, as they were running yo arrest a guy, they mentioned that they guy they were going to grab would be locked up with no chance of bond based on has past. She mentions that four sherriffs have been shot serving warrants because they don't want to get locked up.

Got me thinking....could one of these three or more have had a record where they didn't want to get locked up again.

 

[Cubby]

Maybe. But then again, if they were doing a felony and a killing occurred, they could be culpable for felony murder. That might make them hesitate.

In this area the police are not interested in small buyers. Since LE has only vague information on a description of the suspects I think the teens or one of them, if they are teens, would likely come forward with an attorney. I am certain police would work with the teens and are more interested in finding the killer than they are a few kids who made a buy on the way to school.

Disclosure: Discussion of teens is purely speculation due to the close proximity of the High School to the crime scene near the abandoned cement plant. Discussion of drugs being involved is also speculation.

 

[katydid23]

The most dangerous situation for a cop is when they think they are stopping someone for a minor infraction and the suspect has a serious open warrant out on them.

 

[katydid23]

In this area the police are not interested in small buyers. Since LE has only vague information on a description of the suspects I think the teens or one of them, if they are teens, would likely come forward with an attorney. I am certain police would work with the teens and are more interested in finding the killer than they are a few kids who made a buy on the way to school.

Disclosure: Discussion of teens is purely speculation due to the close proximity of the High School to the crime scene near the abandoned cement plant. Discussion of drugs being involved is also speculation.

True. But teens can be stupid. Non developed brains and all that.

Also, the possibilities exist that the teens were also on probation. Many teens are out on probation for first offenses. So coming forward to say they took part in a drug deal where a cop was killed would not be an easy thing to do.

 

[katydid23]

The update or talk to the public is scheduled for 12:30 p.m. tomorrow.

I am glad that has been confirmed. I was certain I heard the reporter say that on CNN earlier but then I could not find corroboration when I googled it. Thanks.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Governor Bruce Rauner was among those who paid their respects today.

He was the kind of man that in the face of danger would run towards it while others ran away. Rachel Smithburg, Joliet PD

He loved coffee and was a friend to many. Nick Garcia, Antioch PD

Joe was a father to his four boys, he loved them. But I'm here to tell you, he was a dad to about a thousand others. Mike Behan, Former Fox Lake Police Chief

Mike, Joe's brother who is a fireman in Antioch, gave an emotional speech.

(not exact quotes)

 

[katydid23]

True. But teens can be stupid. Non developed brains and all that.

Also, the possibilities exist that the teens were also on probation. Many teens are out on probation for first offenses. So coming forward to say they took part in a drug deal where a cop was killed would not be an easy thing to do.

Also, I worked in the principals office of a high school for years. Teens are well known for not coming forth even if it is in their best interests to do so. Simple things that can be easily cleared up stay mysteries for a long time because no one wants to come and say ' YES, I was smoking a joint in the bathroom....and the trash can accidentally caught on fire when we had to throw it out quickly when someone came in'

So it turns into an arson case which is a major felony, instead of a simple marijuana possession incident.

 

[Cubby]

Also, I worked in the principals office of a high school for years. Teens are well known for not coming forth even if it is in their best interests to do so. Simple things that can be easily cleared up stay mysteries for a long time because no one wants to come and say ' YES, I was smoking a joint in the bathroom....and the trash can accidentally caught on fire when we had to throw it out quickly when someone came in'

So it turns into an arson case which is a major felony, instead of a simple marijuana possession incident.

What happens with HS administration trying to get info from teens and police, fbi and DHS in this case are two very different things. Apples and oranges.

 

[katydid23]

What happens with HS administration trying to get info from teens and police, fbi and DHS in this case are two very different things. Apples and oranges.

Our high school had on campus police officers. So it was not really apples and oranges.

 

[Cubby]

Our high school had on campus police officers. So it was not really apples and oranges.

The high schools here have community service police officers but none that stay on campus. Even security guards in the burbs don't carry guns and will call 911 if necessary.