IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #1

[looking4OPH]

Your post inspired me........I just proclaimed myself an expert too ........

anything I can help you with ?? View attachment 81340

Meaning of life?

 

[bluesneakers]

Meaning of life?

It's 42.

 

[looking4OPH]

And so on, and so on......

From the local Fox affiliate:

FOX LAKE, Ill. (AP) - A local government official familiar with the investigation into the shooting death of a northern Illinois police officer says the lieutenant was hit twice: once in his protective vest and once at an angle that allowed the bullet to enter his chest.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the ongoing investigation. He says the fatal shot was fired from above the vest in a downward direction.

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/19060654-story

 

[cady]

And so on, and so on......

From the local Fox affiliate:



http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/19060654-story

So, was "local anonymous official" at the autopsy? Or did LE tell the local official this? Shouldn't local officials be honoring the no leaks policy? What a circus. JMO (This one is the armpit theory. JMO

 

[TheDuchess]

I have to respectfully disagree. Rudd spoke out of turn and truly could have wrecked the case. He has already given statements to indicate possible reasonable doubt in the mind of future jurors. He has no place discussing the case at this time. I don't see anything botched at this point, just lots of speculation on everyone's part. Just think if the police had released those photos when everyone was screaming for them to let the public help. We'd have 3 innocent lives ruined like the Boston case and the Richard Jewel case before that. I say let the police do their jobs. I mean really...everyone really expects the case to be wrapped up in 10 days??? I don't get it. We've gone from Blue Lives Matter to FTP in a matter of a few days already? Give them some space and time. JMO

 

[cady]

All lives matter. Someone wanted Lt. Gliniewicz dead. Who? JMO.......Rudd felt compelled to debunk FALSE LEAKS. Where did they originate?

 

[leah]

"The official spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the ongoing investigation. He says the fatal shot was fired from above the vest in a downward direction." The way I'm picturing this in my mind, it just can't be how it happened. Could someone please explain where the person that shot the Lt., would be standing for this to happen, so I can get a better idea? I'm finding it harder and harder to believe anything about the three suspects, I don't want to say they don't exist, but at the same time I don't think they exist. I just find it hard to believe that with three people someone didn't mess up by now IMO

 

[Chuz Life]

"The official spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the ongoing investigation. He says the fatal shot was fired from above the vest in a downward direction." The way I'm picturing this in my mind, it just can't be how it happened. Could someone please explain where the person that shot the Lt., would be standing for this to happen, so I can get a better idea? I'm finding it harder and harder to believe anything about the three suspects, I don't want to say they don't exist, but at the same time I don't think they exist. I just find it hard to believe that with three people someone didn't mess up by now IMO

I can easily see how an officer can take a hit like the one described. Especially, when there is a struggle for the weapon and the officer is head down in a diving or charging position. The question (for me) is about whether that information is accurate given there has been no mention of someone else's foot prints, scent trail, finger prints or dna on the gun, etc.

 

[i.b.nora]

Maybe he had an Ashley Madison account and someone found out about it and was threatening to 'out' him.

 

[cady]

"The official spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the ongoing investigation. He says the fatal shot was fired from above the vest in a downward direction." The way I'm picturing this in my mind, it just can't be how it happened. Could someone please explain where the person that shot the Lt., would be standing for this to happen, so I can get a better idea? I'm finding it harder and harder to believe anything about the three suspects, I don't want to say they don't exist, but at the same time I don't think they exist. I just find it hard to believe that with three people someone didn't mess up by now IMO

Well, the best I can come up with is that ONE person's shot caused the death of CG. To execute the kill shot with his vest on, If indeed the shot was below his neck
,it would almost have to be through the armpit area not protected by the vest, if there was a vest. If that happened, I think that suicide could have been ruled out right away. Your guess is as good as anyone elses! If he wanted to kill himself he would have shot himself in the head I think. His arm(s) would have to be up and his body down or going down so that the weapon was above him for the trajectory to be downward. I have no idea. JMO

 

[Thora_Jay]

I can't help but think that a proper and thorough investigation will somehow bring some scandal to light....not necessarily one that the deceased was involved in, but one that he may have known a lot about? There is some dark secret that is being kept under wraps. JMO JMO

Hello there Cady!
I concur with you about the dark secrets.
I am just a few short minutes away from where Lt. Glimiewicz expired. There are so many frustrated people that I encounter daily speaking about this case. Here are just a few conversions that I have encountered being local.

Why was Lt. Gliniewicz told again in June 2015 that the Lake County Sheriff's Office would not support vehicle assistance in Fox Lake?

Why is it that the person who did the tattoos on Lt. Gliniewicz was not interviewed for clues of anything that was said during the many hours of tattoo sessions. That tattoo artist could no longer work for Lt. Gliniewicz due to probation and parole violations.
(tattoos Lt. Gliniewicz had A St. Michael's prayer and face on his side torso, the other side of his torso is a Special Forces Advance Urban Combat tattoo. A tattoo of a Police dog who expired in 1997 over his heart, dog tags of fallen over his other breast. A sniper on his lower back, military tattoos on his shoulder and arm. Full military tattoo on his back.Scar on forearm, participated in Spartan and Mudding for years.

In late 2013, a motion was made for the mayor sign a contract for acquisition of 128 Honing road in Fox Lake. Apparently it it is believed that 128 Honing is one of the patrol areas that he was assigned to.

Questions here pertaining to the time of the incident. The ones I spoke to here stated that it was a time for students, not drug dealers/users to be in the area.

Questions here from ones that I spoke to and a majority questioned if LT. Gliniewicz was in deep dark undercover.

 

[night train]

I have also been mapping the details in this case. I was able to find the officer's (public info) home address and I considered the route that he most likely took that day. Long story short, his claimed reason for stopping and for being at that location. For one thing, there is no entrance to the old concrete plant from the highway, so if the lieutenant spotted someone while "on his way to work" he would have had to double back and then drive through the industrial complex. Also, there is a public "bike path" along that highway and how suspicious would three guys be along that path? Thirdly, the view of anyone on foot from the highway while driving in either direction would not be an easy observation to make. (and again, the only road in is through the industrial complex.) Finally, the location where the officers car (and body) was found in clearly more than a couple minutes away from the highway when you account for the time to observe the three individuals, make a radio call, find the way in and drive through the industrial complex. . .

Sadly, I am leaning more and more towards the belief that this was a suicide made to look like an "officer killed in action" event.

P.S. @Steelman, you have a lot of skills with Google Maps. I sure could use your help with the Map and Group linked to in my signature.

It would be easy to spot people in the open area of the cement yard from Rollins Rd. If he didn't radio it in until approaching from Honing Rd. then the time line makes sense.
The other possibility that he originally went down Honing Rd. also is reasonable-somewhere earlier in this thread it's stated that the Police patrolled the old cement yard at least once a day and the area was Lt. Gliniewicz's responsibility.

 

[cady]

Just WOW, Thora. That may explain a lot. Need to think about it. JMO

 

[katydid23]

How would LT. G be in deep dark undercover? Isn't he a pretty recognizable presence? I am not understanding the definition of 'deep dark' I suppose. Is that referring to cyberspace?

 

[bluesneakers]

How would LT. G be in deep dark undercover? Isn't he a pretty recognizable presence? I am not understanding the definition of 'deep dark' I suppose. Is that referring to cyberspace?

Maybe in deep dark undercover going in the other direction.

 

[hockeymom4]

How would LT. G be in deep dark undercover? Isn't he a pretty recognizable presence? I am not understanding the definition of 'deep dark' I suppose. Is that referring to cyberspace?

Exactly. Those who are in "deep dark undercover" or even undercover, are not in uniform. They are in plain clothes and do not drive a marked car. The drive an unmarked car.p, unless his was unmarked and he was out of uniform.

 

[Solitaryone]

I have to respectfully disagree. Rudd spoke out of turn and truly could have wrecked the case. He has already given statements to indicate possible reasonable doubt in the mind of future jurors. He has no place discussing the case at this time. I don't see anything botched at this point, just lots of speculation on everyone's part. Just think if the police had released those photos when everyone was screaming for them to let the public help. We'd have 3 innocent lives ruined like the Boston case and the Richard Jewel case before that. I say let the police do their jobs. I mean really...everyone really expects the case to be wrapped up in 10 days??? I don't get it. We've gone from Blue Lives Matter to FTP in a matter of a few days already? Give them some space and time. JMO

For the record, I no way support BLM or FTP. To me it's been obvious that something is "hinky" about how this investigation is being handled way before Rudd spoke out. JMO. If LE is withholding reports Rudd needs to make a determination in this case, there's something seriously wrong. It seems to me that LE is pressuring Rudd to make a determination he is not ready to make, and to make it without all the info he needs to make any determination. That's my take on what's going on anyway. LE are the ones who have caused the controversy not the ME, IMO.

 

[cady]

How would LT. G be in deep dark undercover? Isn't he a pretty recognizable presence? I am not understanding the definition of 'deep dark' I suppose. Is that referring to cyberspace?

Dunno. Recruited by another agency while at Fox Lake PD, where Fox Lake PD was his cover? Maybe investigating people he worked with? No idea, still stunned. JMO Katydid...maybe ask your son? I think of deep dark as just undercover..

 

[Thora_Jay]

Exactly.
Those who are in "deep dark undercover" or even undercover, are not in uniform. They are in plain clothes and do not drive a marked car. The drive an unmarked car.p, unless his was unmarked and he was out of uniform.

Right,that is how an Undercover Officer works.. Not being recognizable.
So when undercover, no one would recognize them as they see them when they are undercover. Due to the fact that he was on his way to work, they would not recognize him as an undercover officer obviously. Just saying, that is what has being said to me about him being undercover.

 

[Chuz Life]

It would be easy to spot people in the open area of the cement yard from Rollins Rd. If he didn't radio it in until approaching from Honing Rd. then the time line makes sense.
The other possibility that he originally went down Honing Rd. also is reasonable-somewhere earlier in this thread it's stated that the Police patrolled the old cement yard at least once a day and the area was Lt. Gliniewicz's responsibility.

I am attaching some Google Street view images of the concrete plant as seen from Hwy 31. He may have "spotted people" from the highway but I highly doubt that he could get to them in 2 minutes at the location where his body was found. As you can see, the old access was blocked by a gate. And as we can see from your aerial map (and google street view) the view of the concrete plant is completely blocked by the woods when you are on Honing Rd.