IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #2

[vestigare]

I am glad they didn't post them as well however I disagree about them knowing they were unrelated. When they announced this news they were practically giddy with excitement. I thought at the time they genuinely felt they had their suspects. And when they learned they were not involved is when the wind went out of their sails.




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Filenko didn't have the videos though. DHS had one because someone with ties to them turned it over. they turned that over to the FBI. From what understand the rest were gathered by or turned over to the FBI because they have the tech to work with them.

So, Filinko was giddy over assumptions. I am not even sure he saw any of them and f he did if they were in any context to make him believe there was a connection other than this was two white guys and a black man.

I think Filenko gets giddy about anything that fits the narrative no matter how convoluted.

He is the classic example of a police investigator who creates an idea of how a crime happened and investigates it from that angle. That is very faulty investigative work and frustrates people like me.

 

[vestigare]

I've been thinking about that. Wondering why he would actually choose that scenario if he actually saw them. Was it random? Why would he choose to use 3 subjects that could easily be cleared and point suspicion onto himself. I would imagine if this was suicide he had thought about it for some time and thought through every scenario. He knew exactly how the case would be investigated. Why even go there?


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That is what I am trying to resolve. What could his reasoning be to include such a statistical improbability for that area?

 

[Big Bread]

Out of curiosity...LT had posted several photos of what looked to be recent surgery to his arm and a bionic looking brace. Anyone have any idea of the backstory on that?


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I saw one of those pictures dated back in November 2014. JMO, but I believe that's simply part of a Halloween costume.

Good sleuthing, though.

 

[Big Bread]

I've been thinking about that. Wondering why he would actually choose that scenario if he actually saw them. Was it random? Why would he choose to use 3 subjects that could easily be cleared and point suspicion onto himself. I would imagine if this was suicide he had thought about it for some time and thought through every scenario. He knew exactly how the case would be investigated. Why even go there?


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Well, I have a theory. Saying 2 white guys and a black one sounds a little more suspicious than 3 white guys in the area. If it weren't for the black male description, LE would be picking up every white man in town. I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted anyone of being falsely accused of his murder. Just my thoughts.

 

[Big Bread]

Well, I have a theory. Saying 2 white guys and a black one sounds a little more suspicious than 3 white guys in the area. If it weren't for the black male description, LE would be picking up every white man in town. I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted anyone of being falsely accused of his murder. Just my thoughts.

The fact that 2 white guys and a black one were spotted on video somewhere? Well, I think that was just a random coincidence. JMO

 

[tcer114]

New here! Very interesting site. If you read the transcripts of the call shortly after they find him a call comes in asking where one of the backup units should go. They direct him to go to the gravel road off of Honing. They advise him that a subject is there with the officer's gun and then strangly they say BB gun. That seemed to be within the first 15 minutes or so as they were setting up the perimeter.

 

[vestigare]

Well, I have a theory. Saying 2 white guys and a black one sounds a little more suspicious than 3 white guys in the area. If it weren't for the black male description, LE would be picking up every white man in town. I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted anyone of being falsely accused of his murder. Just my thoughts.

They wouldn't have picked up every white guy because that is some fifty percent of the pop. But they could pick up every black man in this area. He might have thought two whites and a black would never be and coincidentally it was. But now people are saying he had spoken about BLM so I don't know what to think. He had his reasons and we may never know but it was irresponsible.

I also wonder why be didn't just radio in saying he was checking out some movement, no descriptions. Then radio back some garbled crap and end the radio call.

No need for desrciptions at all but dispatch would have his area and would understand he saw suspicious activity and beleive he was in a struggle.

Just thinking out loud....

 

[cady]

That is what I am trying to resolve. What could his reasoning be to include such a statistical improbability for that area?

JMO If homicide is still on the table, then this improbability somehow is the cause of his death. I doubt that he would make up a story to cover for his actual murderer. JMO

 

[vestigare]

New here! Very interesting site. If you read the transcripts of the call shortly after they find him a call comes in asking where one of the backup units should go. They direct him to go to the gravel road off of Honing. They advise him that a subject is there with the officer's gun and then strangly they say BB gun. That seemed to be within the first 15 minutes or so as they were setting up the perimeter.

I am new here too. Welcome. Not sure of the exact rules of the radio transcript thread. If we can't discuss it here then sorry.

I don't know what to make of the BB gun reference. Might be a misunderstanding of what was said. Might be a shorthand for something else. Maybe the cops thought it was a bb gun because it wasn't his service weapon.

Also that may another radio transmission from another scene and has nothing to do with this case.

 

[vestigare]

JMO If homicide is still on the table, then this improbability somehow is the cause of his death. I doubt that he would make up a story to cover for his actual murderer. JMO

Assuming his death was homicide I don't know why he would lie about who was there from the start. I suppose it is possible he could have for some reason but I don't see any proof these three existed whether there to hunt, meet with him, steel copper, deal drugs, our do anything. That is the highest hurdle.here besides ballistics. He is the only one to claim they existed and we have no proof aside from his statement.

 

[cady]

New here! Very interesting site. If you read the transcripts of the call shortly after they find him a call comes in asking where one of the backup units should go. They direct him to go to the gravel road off of Honing. They advise him that a subject is there with the officer's gun and then strangly they say BB gun. That seemed to be within the first 15 minutes or so as they were setting up the perimeter.

WELCOME! I thought that was odd, too. Where did you read the transcript>Just wondering if it is the same as the one downstairs. JMO

 

[TheDuchess]

I saw one of those pictures dated back in November 2014. JMO, but I believe that's simply part of a Halloween costume.

Good sleuthing, though.

No there were photos of the stitches


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[vestigare]

No there were photos of the stitches


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What are your thoughts on the significance of the photos?

 

[Elley Mae]

Late Tuesday, the Chicago Sun-Times reported that investigators met with the pathologist who performed the autopsy on Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz last week without Lake County coroner Dr. Thomas Rudd's knowledge. The pathologist, identified as Manny Montez, confirmed to the paper that the meeting took place.

"They called me and told me to be present, so I showed up,” Montez said. “We went over my findings. They had copies of my sketches because I haven’t finalized my [autopsy] report yet."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/1...ibility-suicide-in-shooting-death-ill-police/

Fox News first reported last week that two sources close to the case say evidence suggests that Gliniewicz, 52, a 30-year veteran of the Fox Lake, Ill. police force, could have shot himself, despite the original characterization of his death as an execution-style murder by police.

 

[Elley Mae]

I don't trust anything now that comes from LE lips, seems to be a cover-up at this point.

 

[vestigare]

Late Tuesday, the Chicago Sun-Times reported that investigators met with the pathologist who performed the autopsy on Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz last week without Lake County coroner Dr. Thomas Rudd's knowledge. The pathologist, identified as Manny Montez, confirmed to the paper that the meeting took place.

"They called me and told me to be present, so I showed up,” Montez said. “We went over my findings. They had copies of my sketches because I haven’t finalized my [autopsy] report yet."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/1...ibility-suicide-in-shooting-death-ill-police/

Fox News first reported last week that two sources close to the case say evidence suggests that Gliniewicz, 52, a 30-year veteran of the Fox Lake, Ill. police force, could have shot himself, despite the original characterization of his death as an execution-style murder by police.

Execution style murder? Did the task force really think that someone grabbed gliniewicz by his copcut hair, pulled his head back and shot him in the torso?

Okay......

 

[cady]

What are your thoughts on the significance of the photos?

Addressed to TD, I know, but my thoughts are just wondering if the gash was a work-related injury, or a surgery for something. Looked like a big gash on his forearm. Was the bionic gizmo in another photo, just a joke or some kind of therapy? Maybe all about nothing......JMO

 

[vestigare]

Addressed to TD, I know, but my thoughts are just wondering if the gash was a work-related injury, or a surgery for something. Looked like a big gash on his forearm. Was the bionic gizmo in another photo, just a joke or some kind of therapy? Maybe all about nothing......JMO

I haven't seen the photos so can't comment. Maybe an injury from a mud run?

 

[cady]

Execution style murder? Did the task force really think that someone grabbed gliniewicz by his copcut hair, pulled his head back and shot him in the torso?

Okay......

This is the first I have heard that anyone "close to the investigation" originally characterized his death as an execution by police! ????? What is going on? JMO

 

[Montjoy]

This is the first I have heard that anyone "close to the investigation" characterized his death as an execution by police! ????? What is going on? JMO

Perhaps that's just bad writing -- and what they mean is that police characterized it as an execution. We are talking about Fox News, after all.