IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3

[i.b.nora]

Had to look up the case mentioned above (Melissa Calusinski) and found this:

“Rudd found evidence of an earlier brain injury that the pathologist at autopsy, Dr. Choi, overlooked. After being confronted with the discrepancy, Dr. Choi admitted in an affidavit that he made an error, but later said it would not have changed his testimony at trial.

And then last month, a true bombshell! An anonymous caller told Melissa's father that X-rays existed that had never been seen at trial. Dr. Rudd asked his office to scour the files and to his shock, the X-rays were there.

Those images, taken at the child's autopsy more than six years ago and before Dr. Rudd became the county coroner, appear to show no skull fracture at all. Instead, according to Dr. Rudd, the "new" evidence confirms that Ben Kingan suffered a head injury weeks before Melissa came to work at the daycare center.

These X-rays, says Dr. Rudd, now make it impossible for him to be sure that the child's death was intentional. So, last week, he took the highly unusual step of changing the manner of Ben Kingan's death from "homicide" to "undetermined."”​

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-a-caregiver-in-prison-for-a-murder-that-never-happened/

Rudd seems to be the one that figured out something 'didn't fit' in that case. Since he has yet to come to a conclusion in this case, it seems fitting to simply wait. He doesn't seem unscrupulous to me.

 

[cady]

Nora thanks, that is really interesting...JMO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Personally, I'd be severely depressed if LE was more inclined to do their job because of some sort of promotion month,

Maybe my point wasn't clear - definitely not the first time!
My comment isn't crucial to the case but wasn't meant to correlate with LE's job performance. Not in this case anyway.

LE may be knowledgeable when it comes to movements designed to elevate topics that are meant to promote public awareness a problem exists (such as suicide). Promotion of public awareness, not LE promotions!

Like, if someone is found dead in their garage with carbon monoxide poisoning, LE would think suicide first, right? But then a secondary check must be made (I hope) to be sure someone didn't try to arrange a murder to look like a suicide.
So, if LE responds to calls about suicide many times throughout their careers, they become aware suicide happens more than most people think it does. Am I making sense?
It probably makes them sad to see people dead from suicide so they may be on board with promoting suicide prevention and know what month has been designated for that purpose.

In this case, unless a big problem existed between the Lt. and the hierarchy (or peers), I don't think suicide entered their minds within the first few days. The response was based on learning that someone just shot and killed one of their own and what followed was a knee jerk reaction.

If this is suicide, I don't fault Fox Lake PD for their first response. All anyone can do is to learn from this and figure out a way, if even possible, to assess a situation more carefully. But if the scene was staged, LE reacted as they would be expected to in response to a fallen comrade based on what they knew at the time.
How could they have delayed a day or two in this circumstance?

If the investigation leads to evidence the backup call was staged, the truth must be told sooner rather than later imo.

 

[Keefer]

What is often left out of these "expert opinions" is other evidence. She changed her story several times about what happened for instance. The child was fine until that day when left alone with the girl. She confessed. Just because someone might have a previous injury doesn't mean they were not assaulted! The expert opinion is just that an opinion. It's fine with me if folks want to drop everything and not think about stuff( other evidence) cause an " expert" has an opinion. This is what I was talking about when I said preponderance of evidence.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Didn't follow the case, but didn't Rudd testify with x-ray or cat scan evidence, that the baby had a previous head trauma (brain) injury? JMO...........thus rendering his expert opinion?

o/t but related to Rudd so important to note ~

Yes, importantly, the little boy was taken to see a doctor based on previous behavior/illness due to a head injury (not sure what tests were done at that time) just a few weeks (or months) prior to his death.
To me, the key factor here is the little guy had a prior condition that, if he bumped his head as he was known to do, could have made him susceptible to what happened to him while in daycare.
The same emergency could have happened to him while at home.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I believe the girl.
The daycare center should have a supervisor, cameras, etc.
Based on what I know, the young lady is innocent.

Noting - documentation of the earlier doctor visit exits which is the mitigating circumstance that wasn't revealed during the trial.

 

[Cubby]

If you followed the Adventures of Drew Peterson you might remember that the coroner originally involved in the death of Kathleen Savio was an elected non medical (I think he owned a funeral parlor) person who used a 'coroner's jury' to establish the manner of death of Kathleen. In that case, one member of the jury was also a police officer who knew Drew Peterson. Hence, her death in an empty bathtub was originally ruled a suicide.

Kathleen Savio's manner of death was originally ruled accidental.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/..._death-of-kathleen-savio-stacy-peterson-ruled

 

[Cubby]

Didn't follow the case, but didn't Rudd testify with x-ray or cat scan evidence, that the baby had a previous head trauma (brain) injury? JMO...........thus rendering his expert opinion?

It was Rudd who determined the previous coroner falsely stated the child had a skull fracture.

 

[Cubby]

What is often left out of these "expert opinions" is other evidence. She changed her story several times about what happened for instance. The child was fine until that day when left alone with the girl. She confessed. Just because someone might have a previous injury doesn't mean they were not assaulted! The expert opinion is just that an opinion. It's fine with me if folks want to drop everything and not think about stuff( other evidence) cause an " expert" has an opinion. This is what I was talking about when I said preponderance of evidence.

Actually, it was Filenko who allegedly coerced a false confession from Melissa. Have you been reading the links? I ask because you seem to be confusing the players. It was Choi, not Rudd who made the mistake on the toddler's autopsy in Melissa's case. And it was Filenko who coerced the false confession. There is indisputable evidence via video of the false confession showing she said no, she didn't hurt the toddler numerous times and her only agreeing to what Filenko was pushing after she was led to believe if she told him what he wanted to hear she could go home.

MSM has been linked throughout the thread with the inconsistencies and who was responsible for them.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hour...care-worker-coerced-into-a-murder-confession/

The above link contains word-for-word testimony from Rudd from the observations he made when he reviewed the case.

I had to go back to refresh my memory. I didn't learn about the case until I watched the 48 Hours episode which was very upsetting imo.

Here is the link to WS thread that was started in 2009.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rged-14-Jan-2009&highlight=Melissa+Calusinski

 

[Keefer]

Who says her confession was false? Can you prove that?
She changed her story several times.
You can believe anything you want. I am just not convinced.

 

[Cubby]

Who says her confession was false? Can you prove that?
She changed her story several times.
You can believe anything you want. I am just not convinced.

It's in the link. Video of her being interrogated and Filenko's own words have been made public. You can choose to ignore any evidence you wish.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Had to look up the case mentioned above (Melissa Calusinski) and found this:

“Rudd found evidence of an earlier brain injury that the pathologist at autopsy, Dr. Choi, overlooked. After being confronted with the discrepancy, Dr. Choi admitted in an affidavit that he made an error, but later said it would not have changed his testimony at trial.

And then last month, a true bombshell! An anonymous caller told Melissa's father that X-rays existed that had never been seen at trial. Dr. Rudd asked his office to scour the files and to his shock, the X-rays were there.

Those images, taken at the child's autopsy more than six years ago and before Dr. Rudd became the county coroner, appear to show no skull fracture at all. Instead, according to Dr. Rudd, the "new" evidence confirms that Ben Kingan suffered a head injury weeks before Melissa came to work at the daycare center.

These X-rays, says Dr. Rudd, now make it impossible for him to be sure that the child's death was intentional. So, last week, he took the highly unusual step of changing the manner of Ben Kingan's death from "homicide" to "undetermined."”​

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-a-caregiver-in-prison-for-a-murder-that-never-happened/

Rudd seems to be the one that figured out something 'didn't fit' in that case. Since he has yet to come to a conclusion in this case, it seems fitting to simply wait. He doesn't seem unscrupulous to me.

The person who brought the previous xray to the families attention is the hero. So who was this person that knew the information and decided not to let it get covered up?

And why did they take so long?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...-shooting-pension-st-0925-20150925-story.html

Why wasn't it pointed out by somebody the article explains the pension benefits and differences therein?
It helps to give a brief description of what an article addresses.

The Tribune wants people to subscribe so I don't just click to click in order to read redundant information.

Keeping with the usual reasons for delay, the pension lawyer is out of town - just one of reasons given as to why the pension board has been postponed for now.

Line of duty deaths provide 100 percent salary to the spouse.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

What if someone he knew killed him for personal reasons (not LE)?
What if, what if, what if???????
Still, the chasing three people call would have to be addressed.
If true, he was there for 20 minutes though, what could this time spent at the scene mean?

Grrrrr, this case is so hinky.

 

[vestigare]

What is often left out of these "expert opinions" is other evidence. She changed her story several times about what happened for instance. The child was fine until that day when left alone with the girl. She confessed. Just because someone might have a previous injury doesn't mean they were not assaulted! The expert opinion is just that an opinion. It's fine with me if folks want to drop everything and not think about stuff( other evidence) cause an " expert" has an opinion. This is what I was talking about when I said preponderance of evidence.

I think you are slightly confused about preponderance of evidence. The burden of proof under the constitution rest with the prosecution. They are the ones that must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty. One piece of evidence rarely proves guilt however one piece of evidence can prove innocence.

According to recent studies 11% of all confessions are proven to later be false.
And according to the Innocence Project (a well respected organization run by famous defence attorneys) 25% of their exoneration cases involved someone who had made a false confession.
One of their recent famous exonerations was Juan Rivera from Lake County, Illinois who confessed to a crime after hours of interrogation and it was found the police planted DNA evidence. He currently has been awarded the US largest award for wrongful conviction.

You should look up the Reid Technique for interrogation and you will see how it has been found to result in false confessions. It was the technique used by Filenko in the Melissa Calusinski case.

 

[vestigare]

I'm from LE family and the only thing I know they're aware of is full moons...lol

Oh dear, I hope you tell them that is superstition based on bad science and confirmation bias.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

For further discussion about the daycare worker case, we should probably use the proper thread.
The case is interesting here because it involves Lake County and Rudd's review of the case that may (still pending - ugh!) rescue an innocent person from spending her life behind bars.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Oh dear, I hope you tell them that is superstition based on bad science and confirmation bias.

Swear to the atmosphere, I always feel funny around a full moon. This time, it was yesterday more than today though.
Also my nose (sinus) works as a barometer!
This has been an acquired skill - lol!

 

[vestigare]

BBM. Would you still feel this way if a suspect(s) were brought into custody at the end of this day? Is the money well spent if a cop killer is removed from our streets?

As Chuz Life (thank you Chuz) so aptly already pointed out I had answered this in my original post.

No,it would not be money well spent.