IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3

[cassandval]

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Officials-New-Information-Fox-Lake-Investigation-330048311.html

Press conference at 10am.

 

[Japple]

press conference tomorrow at 10 am
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Officials-New-Information-Fox-Lake-Investigation-330048311.html

 

[cady]

Is this the same officer who was reinstated? JMO

 

[Cubby]

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Officials-New-Information-Fox-Lake-Investigation-330048311.html

Press conference at 10am.

The artjcle says 10:00 am Thursday. The presser is tomorrow.

 

[Walker007]

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Officials-New-Information-Fox-Lake-Investigation-330048311.html

Press conference at 10am.

See y'all... How is that for our patience?? Adding some humor in for the morning :happy dance: A presser.

What does everyone think will be the "limited information"?

In my opinion, they going to announce this is indeed a homicide investigation. If it is going to be ruled as Suicide, why the limited information?

Also, click on the link and read those comments. Interesting one, down there, even though it's a student making it, it fits into the most recent discussion.

Al66Pine, I hadn't seen your post thanks for bringing back forward. I agree with you that is puzzling. It seems like there were perhaps other matters keeping everyone busy enough to be missing those meetings.

Vestigare, you bring up a valid point of question about the Union. Very powerful entity. Hopefully, they want to see Justice served for the LT. Obviously, the arbitrators saw fit to overrule authority on the other officer that was fired. That is Illinois for you though, I don't know as much about this sector of arbitrators but the ones who rule on Work Comp, could care less if a Claimant is committing fraud and will still rule in their favor, a majority of the time. Hurts the legitimately injured. Here is a link I found that references the collective bargaining process of this department from back in 1998. I was trying to figure whom could be the other officer on paid leave. IIRC, they said he was on force for 17 years. http://www.state.il.us/ilrb/subsections/pdfs/arbitrationawards/fox lake & fop - s-ma-98-122.pdf

Cady, I hadn't seen where they have denied the theory of this relating to the internal investigation. In one of the pressers, Covelli said everything is on the table in so many words. Also, not sure which thread y'all found in that google search. There is one with 3 pages and another with 1 page. Just for those who are still looking. I do find extremely interesting and I did look in the records of LC, it is there as that person stated.

I am sure department was being investigated as a whole but that doesn't mean there were not cooperating Officers.

 

[cady]

LOL "limited" new information Thursday.........someone elsewhere suggested that we may learn the name of the dog. JMO

 

[Cubby]

My guess is the presser is going to be about the benefits.

On another note, who wants to bet if a reporter asks for the dogs nwme the reply is - "I can't answer that"?

 

[cassandval]

Darn. I didn't see it's tomorrow. Thanks for catching that. Off to refill my coffee!

 

[cady]

My guess is the presser is going to be about the benefits.

On another note, who wants to bet if a reporter asks for the dogs nwme the reply is - "I can't answer that"?

They probably can't because it would reveal the identity of the dog's hapless handler! JMO

 

[Walker007]

In the Herald article it stated "Gold Star Investigations" is conducting the inquiry into the department. One of the commenters stated it was not registered with the state. So, I went to look further. There is a company based out of South Padre Island, Texas. One that is non-active from Wisconsin. One that was connected to a guy with many controversial issues attached to him regarding polygraphs. One that Kellerman many have farmed out to in another part of the state? One in Pa.

This is INTERESTING!! The one with the most info is the one on the Texas/Mexico border area. If this is true, what would be the benefit of hiring an out of state firm, located on the border. And then chime in all the talk of drugs? Strange. This whole situation wreaks of something or another..

This kinda reminds me... In Texas there was a drive by shooting, VERY UPSCALE area... in broad daylight in front of families and children. Very similar situation, same agencies brought in, outside of was not officer involved shooting. Man hunt. Then all was quiet. They did release a photo of vehicle in question. Took several months to solve. Turns out was cartel related. I only bring it up because if this is the actual firm that was hired, it's just strange. All of it.

Anyone else finding anything else on this firm?

 

[Walker007]

Is this the same officer who was reinstated? JMO

I don't think it is because in the agenda's he was listed as having more years service. You can see his hire date on the link I posted regarding the unions. It is someone else but a fine line as 98'99' is around that 17 years.

 

[cady]

OK I see where I goofed. Way back, when the only thing we knew about an internal investigation was the rough-up a drunk incident, it was adamantly denied that CG had anything to do with an internal investigation. Later, when it was public news that there are multiple investigations, broader than we first knew, is when the tack was changed to "not ruling out" internal investigation being related to CG's death. So, yes, we are now allowed to consider it or them as possibly related. LOL. JMO

 

[cady]

I don't think it is because in the agenda's he was listed as having more years service. You can see his hire date on the link I posted regarding the unions. It is someone else but a fine line as 98'99' is around that 17 years.

Well, geeze, how many nasty cops are on that force? I think it's the same guy.JMO Probably got credit for the time he was off.

 

[Japple]

I've been revisiting this theory since the leak about the GPS and his arrival time at the scene being questioned.

How do police radios work? Is each one unique, or are they all (within the department) just on the same frequency? Could someone with a police radio have made the initial call from a different location?

Do they archive department radio communications? If so, who would have access to them?

With 30+ years of service to FLPD, any of his sentences in his communications that day could be recorded from previous separate incidents. For example: "they took off into the swamp" could be from a coyote complaint, or a complaint of dogs roaming and causing trouble. There have been several recent complaints of coyotes from Fox Ridge subdivision, which was inside the original manhunt perimeter.

Anyway, could such recorded calls could be played into a police radio, from a different location, with a device as simple as a smart phone?

I know that sounds way CSI, but is it possible?

 

[vestigare]

My guess is the presser is going to be about the benefits.

On another note, who wants to bet if a reporter asks for the dogs nwme the reply is - "I can't answer that"?

Darn, I am going out of town tomorrow, I was hoping it happened today.

LOL yeah they probably won't answer anything about the dog or handler.

The limited info will either be: this is a being listed as suicide by Rudd please no questions and respect our grief. Or it will be more nonsense like the last press release where they might tell us CODIS matched nothing (that should be done) and might actually tell us things like he had GPR on his hands which common sense tells us he did so there was no reason to not say it.

You know they are reading comments and hearing rumours and are trying to stop those.

 

[Walker007]

Noteworthy: --- This Link is RIPE with information. Worth reading all the way.

9-4-15 - Special Agenda:
http://www.foxlake.org/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/1048

Roll Call: Filenko and the Under Sheriff Ray Rose were in attendance.

For the 9/22/15 referencing 9/8/15

Chief Behan addresses the board. There is a lengthy page of info of his ENTIRE statement. Very heartfelt!! Addresses that nobody forced him to retire, it was his choice. HIs retirement date was Augsut 28th. Talks about how he came to town to notify Lt. G widow and kids. (Gosh this is heartbreaking) The town is very loving, as seen witnessed with Lt. G passing and that is how "MOST" police officers feel here. "I have done many programs and I love this town and I think thou have said it many time with what has happened with Lt. G, if you caught me it's going to be Fox Lake blue. I have no ill feelings at all. No one forced me to retire. ... goes on... "There is a lot of stuff going on" ... Mike stated that there are many programs he is proud of. "we have a lot of hurt going on and we need good leaders and all of you are". The citizens are behind you, I am behind you and I am proud of FL" ..

Trustee J also recognizes LT. G and all. A large paragraph of information.

Further down...
The Mayor addresses many, another long paragraph. Stated he and Trustee J spent week at the PD. Recognizes two officers who A Lt. And a SGT. who held department together.

Mayor reads transcript of Lt. G 30 year speech. (Tear jerkers over here..)


Executive Session: Personal and Pending Litigation. Includes the two above in the topic.

XI.
2. Consider for Approval Revised Discrimation and Harassment Policy for the Village of FL Employee Manual.
3. Consider for Approval New Workplace Violence and Anti-Bulllying Policy for the Village of F Employee Personnel Manual.

Public Safety.
1. Motion or resolution approving an Intergovermental Agreement for Emergecy Law Enforcement Personnel Assistanace between the Village of FL and the County of Lake

Edited to add: Continue scrolling all the way down. It addresses and lists the policies.

 

[tcer114]

LOL "limited" new information Thursday.........someone elsewhere suggested that we may learn the name of the dog. JMO

LOL! Good one.

 

[Chuz Life]

I've been revisiting this theory since the leak about the GPS and his arrival time at the scene being questioned.

How do police radios work? Is each one unique, or are they all (within the department) just on the same frequency? Could someone with a police radio have made the initial call from a different location?

Do they archive department radio communications? If so, who would have access to them?

With 30+ years of service to FLPD, any of his sentences in his communications that day could be recorded from previous separate incidents. For example: "they took off into the swamp" could be from a coyote complaint, or a complaint of dogs roaming and causing trouble. There have been several recent complaints of coyotes from Fox Ridge subdivision, which was inside the original manhunt perimeter.

Anyway, could such recorded calls could be played into a police radio, from a different location, with a device as simple as a smart phone?

I know that sounds way CSI, but is it possible?

Japple, police radios are very complex and sophisticated these days.

Most systems are set up so that each radio embeds the officers assigned ID number or in some systems, their (alpha numeric) names into each and every radio transmission. So, even if someone recorded some audio from one "call" and then tried to transmit it again to trick the dispatchers. . . they would have to have an exact clone of the exact radio that they were trying to imitate. Otherwise, the dispatchers would notice the absence of the officer's ID.

Also, because Fox Lake's system is a digital to analogue system, it's not like anyone can just go out and buy a compatible radio or otherwise hack into the system. Like I said, the programming is very sophisticated.

 

[steelman]

My guess is the presser is going to be about the benefits.

On another note, who wants to bet if a reporter asks for the dogs nwme the reply is - "I can't answer that"?

They won't release the name of the dog in order to avoid compromising the investigation. They're going to want to keep that information close to the vest, in case the dog has to take the witness stand and testify some day.

If reporters want to get answers to their questions, they should ask useful questions that will help shed light on this investigation. For instance, "How many times a day does this dog eat ?" or, "Is there a protocol in place for those times when the dog needs to get out of the SUV and take a potty break, but is in a public setting ??" lol

 

[al66pine]

.... Al66Pine, I hadn't seen your post thanks for bringing back forward. I agree with you that is puzzling. It seems like there were perhaps other matters keeping everyone busy enough to be missing those meetings....

^bbm sbm Walker 007 Thanks for your response. Yes, maybe members were "too busy."

Question: Are FLPD Pension Board & FLPD Commission separate entities? Is bd a committee of commission? Or are memberships of both identical? From cut & paste below from http://www.foxlake.org/Archive.aspx. I cannot tell. (I read IL statute re apptmt & make-up of Pension Board members & understand that.)
Thx in adv to anyone who can clarify.

ETA: What kind of village board or commission is 3 or more months behind in posting minutes?
Also noting in red below, agenda & meeting time gaps.

__________________________________________________
"Fire & Police Commission Minutes:
Select an Item All Archive Items Most Recent Archive Item
(Gap = April - Sept, 2015.)
March 3, 2015 - Fire & police Commission Minutes
February 3, 2015 - Fire & Police Commission Minutes
January 6, 2015 - Fire & Police Commission Minutes
December 22, 2014 - Fire & Police Commission Minutes
December 2, 2014 - Fire & Police Commission Minutes
November 4, 2014 - Fire & Police Commission Minutes
October 1, 2014 - Fire & Police Commission Minutes
September 2, 2014 - Fire & Police Commission Minutes
July 12, 2014 - Fire & Police Commission Minutes
June 3, 2014 - Fire & Police Commission Minutes
May 6, 2014 - Fire & Police Commission Minutes
January 6, 2014 - Fire & Police Commission Minutes (was joint FD & PD commission divided in two?)
October 1, 2013 - Police Commission Minutes

Fire and Police Commission Agenda's:
Select an Item All Archive Items Most Recent Archive Item
Fire and Police Commission Meeting Agenda (Special)"

^ several consecutive months in spring & summer w no agendas, no minutes.


Same page http://www.foxlake.org/Archive.aspx also shows:

"Police Pension Board Agendas:
Select an Item All Archive Items Most Recent Archive Item
September 23, 2015 Police Pension Meeting (Special)
August 27, 2015 - Special Meeting
July 20, 2015 - Police Pension Board Meeting
(Gap = Mar-June, 2015 = 6 mo.)
February 9, 2015 - Police Pension Board Agenda (Special)
January 19, 2015 - Police Pension Board Agenda
October 20, 2014 - Police Pension Board Agenda
April 21, 2014 - Police Pension Board Agenda
January 20, 2014 - Police Pension Board Agenda
October 14, 2013 - Police Pension Board Agenda

Police Pension Board Minutes:
Select an Item All Archive Items Most Recent Archive Item
(Gap = July - Sept, 2015 = 3 mo., tho agendas were posted for July, Aug, Sept. Why no minutes?)

April 20, 2015 - Police Pension Board Minutes
June 2, 2015 - Police Pension Board Minutes
February 9, 2015 - Police Pension Board Minutes (Special)
January 19, 2015 - Police Pension Board Minutes
October 20, 2014 - Police Pension Board Minutes
July 21, 2014 - Police Pension Board Minutes
January 15, 2014 - Police Pension Board Minutes
October 14, 2013 - Police Pension Board Minutes"