IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3

[Cubby]

Thinking about tomorrows presser. Toxicology reports should be back by now. Perhaps that's why they called a presser.

 

[al66pine]

Sometimes an agenda item for a public entity meeting has an intriguing history, esp -
- when it is the only item,
- poss exec. session is announced,
- agenda is published same day as 9:30 a.m. meeting.

What was so important & pressing that the board was compelled to meet that day at 9:30? If members were actually meeting to discuss and take action on general policy* re records why not wait until next regularly scheduled meeting?

IDK if this Pen Bd matter connects in anyway to current issues re Lt G's pension & benefits. No specific reason to think so, just thinking aloud about special meeting re policy to be held w virtually no notice.

_______________________________________________
"PUBLIC NOTICE
FOX LAKE POLICE PENSION FUND SPECIAL BOARD MEETING
Monday, February 9, 2015 – 9:30 a.m.

"Please take notice that on Monday, February 9th, 2015, at 9:30 a.m., a Special Board Meeting will be held by the Fox Lake Police Pension Board at 66 Thillen Drive, Fox Lake, IL 60020.

The Pension Board may, at its discretion, adjourn into Executive Session during this meeting pursuant to applicable provisions of the Open Meetings Act.

"MEETING AGENDA
I. Call to Order
II. Pledge of Allegiance
II. Roll Call
IV. Approval of Agenda
V. Business
a. Pension records retention, security, availability to non-Board members and general maintenance – discussion/possible action.
VI. Adjournment " <---bbm
_____________________________________________
* Is it poss some Bd members wanted to have one specific LEO's pension-related records destroyed, so bd needed to formulate new policy instantly, just before feeding into shredder? Or poss that board wanted to refuse a records request from non-bd member re one specific LEO pension records, and needed new records disclosure policy instantly, before denying request? IDK.
Returning to Grassy Knoll Conspiracy discussion, LOL. (fyi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dealey_Plaza#Grassy_knoll <--See last sentence of linked section.)

 

[looking4OPH]

Tweeted by local Chicago TV news reporter:

MarkSuppelsa &#8207;@MarkSuppelsa 37m37 minutes ago
@CrimeWatchDaily @mattdoran22 @WGNTV @mmaterre The crime show just before our 4p news has an exclusive with wife of Fox Lake Lt. Glyniwiecz.

Have to run and can't figure out which show this was, nor a recording. Anyone else?

 

[Cubby]

No clue. Jeaprody is on abc before the 4pm news.

 

[Cubby]

Tweeted by local Chicago TV news reporter:

MarkSuppelsa &#8207;@MarkSuppelsa 37m37 minutes ago
@CrimeWatchDaily @mattdoran22 @WGNTV @mmaterre The crime show just before our 4p news has an exclusive with wife of Fox Lake Lt. Glyniwiecz.

Have to run and can't figure out which show this was, nor a recording. Anyone else?

I think I found it. http://crimewatchdaily.com

It's on WGN daily at 3pm. Outside of the Chicagoland area people can enter their zip code to see when it airs. Not sure where it is aired.

 

[vestigare]

I think I found it. http://crimewatchdaily.com

It's on WGN daily at 3pm. Outside of the Chicagoland area people can enter their zip code to see when it airs. Not sure where it is aired.

It won't air until Friday according to this link.

Sounds to me like she has been prepared for them to rule if a suicide and she is getting out ahead of the news cycle.

http://thecelebrityauction.co/wp2/c...ide-i-wholeheartedly-believe-he-was-murdered/

“I wholeheartedly believe he was murdered,” Melodie Gliniewicz says through tears in an exclusive interview with Crime Watch Daily set to air Friday.

 

[vestigare]

It won't air until Friday according to this link.

Sounds to me like she has been prepared for them to rule if a suicide and she is getting out ahead of the news cycle.

http://thecelebrityauction.co/wp2/c...ide-i-wholeheartedly-believe-he-was-murdered/

&#8220;I wholeheartedly believe he was murdered,&#8221; Melodie Gliniewicz says through tears in an exclusive interview with Crime Watch Daily set to air Friday.

&#8220;There was a lot of anger,&#8221; she says of the moment she first heard Rudd suggest that her husband had committed suicide. &#8220;The coroner is an elected person. He didn&#8217;t perform the autopsy. The one that performed the autopsy came and stood on my deck and told me everything.&#8221;

She added: &#8220;There were two shots. Somebody that is going to kill themselves is not going to shoot themselves twice.&#8221;

 

[vestigare]

Another link with video (promo)
http://www.people.com/article/video-widow-illinois-cop-insists-husband-didnt-commit-suicide

 

[vestigare]

See my previous post regarding Dr. Manny Montez, the man who stood on her deck and told her about the autopsy.....

 

[Cubby]

I don't recall if this was mentioned yet, sorry if it is a repeat.

The man whom the Task Force called into the secret meeting without Rudd's knowledge also had ties to the Calusinski case.

Dr. Manny Montez was the doctor who consulted on the autopsy and later testified that the toddler had suffered a brain injury that day. It turned out in a subpoena after the trial that Montez had failed a board exam in anatomic pathology in 2001 and hadn’t taken an exam for forensic pathology at all.

I have not been able to verify if he was subsequently board certified in pathology or forensic pathology.

Interestingly former Lake County Coroner the late Artis Yancey was a huge supporter of Manny Montez. Yancey was an ex-Waukegan Police Chief who became Coroner. He lost the most recent Democratic bid to Rudd who went on to become Coroner. Yancey died last year.

I wonder why Montez was used at all and who chose him. Did Filenko request Montez be used or did Rudd make that choice? And why?

:bump:

bringing to the current page so people don't have to search for it.

 

[Tillicum]

I feel so sorry for this poor woman. I would be angry too.

 

[steelman]

I expect an "undetermined" tomorrow.

Should be great for the conspiracy theorists for years to come.

If this was a case of a clearly defined cop killing, they would still be on the hunt for the killers and they would have shown convincing evidence to back it up.

On the other hand, if the scene was trampled and evidence was compromised during the manhunt, they may not have the forensic ability to determine if Gliniewicz was shot up-close by an assailant, or if he shot himself. They may have evidence that actually points at either scenario.

If the scene had been carefully preserved , in lieu of being flooded by 200 angry cops and dogs as well as EMT's, they may have been able to get a much better picture of what transpired there. I have a feeling the area around where he was found amounted to not much more than organized chaos, maybe even disorganized chaos.

I'm not sure what a ruling of undetermined would do in terms of insurance payments and pension benefits, but I'm pretty sure it opens up a ton of gray areas to the point that most, if not all, of those benefits will still pay out.

I've been checking in and out of here for the last couple of weeks, waiting for them to announce the results of all of this testing. Hasn't happened. This is a pretty rare way of conducting an investigation after a cop is gunned down.
I've just tried to stay out of the fray, because I really don't know what to think at this point.

I really hope we get some answers to this mystery tomorrow........but............you know how it's been.

 

[Cubby]

Interesting commentary on the issues with the coroners office.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1082538/pg13

One does have to wonder about this meeting which excluded Rudd. What did everyone want to hide from Rudd?

 

[Cubby]

I hope they wouldn't call a live presser for an undetermined ruling. That can be announced with a simple written press release.

And if it is undetermined, why wait so long to release that info?

 

[vestigare]

Interesting commentary on the issues with the coroners office.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1082538/pg13

One does have to wonder about this meeting which excluded Rudd. What did everyone want to hide from Rudd?

Montez comes off as a Filenko flunky to me. So naturally the wife is going to like what he has to say because he is going to make Filenko look good.

Thank you for bumping my post. I still haven't found that Montez is board certified in pathology. It isn't on his personal pages or health grades. I don't know why Lake County would contract with him unless Rudd doesn't have complete control over those things.

I also thought her saying Rudd was"elected" was very very telling. The politics here is just screaming out.

 

[vestigare]

I hope they wouldn't call a live presser for an undetermined ruling. That can be announced with a simple written press release.

And if it is undetermined, why wait so long to release that info?

If Rudd truly believes he doesn't have the evidence for homicide then he needs to say it was accident or suicide. I think undetermined would be political and I would hope someone in this entire mess would stop playing politics for five minutes. If things change they can always change the method of death later. And we know the wife is going to sue for everything anyway if they don't say it is homicide.

I just hope the insurance doesn't cave thinking it is cheaper to pay than fight because it is disrespectful to those who were killed in the line of duty.

 

[cady]

“There was a lot of anger,” she says of the moment she first heard Rudd suggest that her husband had committed suicide. “The coroner is an elected person. He didn’t perform the autopsy. The one that performed the autopsy came and stood on my deck and told me everything.”

She added: “There were two shots. Somebody that is going to kill themselves is not going to shoot themselves twice.”

Respectfully, Mel, someone staging a homicide would shoot themself twice. JMO

 

[katydid23]

If Rudd truly believes he doesn't have the evidence for homicide then he needs to say it was accident or suicide. I think undetermined would be political and I would hope someone in this entire mess would stop playing politics for five minutes. If things change they can always change the method of death later. And we know the wife is going to sue for everything anyway if they don't say it is homicide.

I just hope the insurance doesn't cave thinking it is cheaper to pay than fight because it is disrespectful to those who were killed in the line of duty.

BBM
'Not having the evidence' for something does not mean it never happened. There are many murderers walking free for lack of evidence but that does not make them 'innocent.'

 

[Cubby]

If Rudd truly believes he doesn't have the evidence for homicide then he needs to say it was accident or suicide. I think undetermined would be political and I would hope someone in this entire mess would stop playing politics for five minutes. If things change they can always change the method of death later. And we know the wife is going to sue for everything anyway if they don't say it is homicide.

I just hope the insurance doesn't cave thinking it is cheaper to pay than fight because it is disrespectful to those who were killed in the line of duty.

IMO this whole sham is disrespectful of those truly killed in the line of duty.

 

[cady]

BBM
'Not having the evidence' for something does not mean it never happened. There are many murderers walking free for lack of evidence but that does not make them 'innocent.'

Welcome back! This is true, re: lack of evidence. But then, shouldn't the ruling be undetermined, and let the wife have what is due, minus survivor special benefits until such evidence is produced to make a determination? JMO