IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[vestigare]

You guys sound prejudice to me as far as the cops go.
Sorry, but assuming the worst about them at every turn is not helping anything.
Until we know more, I don't think it is fair to assume wrongdoing or dishonesty on their part when it comes to this case.

It isn't fair but then neither is life. I am not about fairness. I am about logic and facts.

 

[Japple]

No he doesn't have more info than anyone else. Do you think only Filinko has this special knowledge?
I don't believe anything he says because I never accept what a person says without applying my own logic and knowledge to it first.

bbm
in my post i said more information than anyone here. And yes he does. He's the head of the task force. My point is that every time new information is released, there are certain people that disregard it because it doesn't fit with their suicide theory.

What would happen if the next batch of information stated that there were nobody's fingerprints on LTs gun. Would that mean he wiped his gun to cover his suicide? That's an example of the direction some posters in this thread have gone.

 

[vestigare]

Questions the task force should answer and would not compromise a homicide investigation.
Please add.

-Where did he go that morning before he asked on scene?
-Toxicology
-Huge loss of money or expenditures?
-Was his Cell phone on?
-Did he receive any calls that morning?
-Was CPR performed?
-Chain of custody of his clothing and other items
-How were the Feds Alerted what was the exact call terminology?
-How much has been spent thus far on this investigation?
-Did The FBI refuse a reward request?
-Did the FBI refuse CODIS samples based on insufficient evidence they were connected to a crime?
-How many search warrants were executed for dna?
-What was the probable cause for those search warrants?
-Did his cell phone have gps?
-Was he ever under internal investigation?
-Was he ever disciplined regarding the Explorers?
-Could he have continued with the program in retirement?
-Why wasn't he considered for the Fox Lake Chief position?
-Did his compete show any searches regarding his benefits, suicide, death on duty?
-What was his supposed day of retirement
-Was he required to be at roll call
-How often did he take a cruiser home over night
-What date did his next step of retirement benefits kick in?
-When was his last PD medical exam

-Did he frequently wear his vest?
-Were the bullets standard police issue?
-What was his patrol area?
-How many police were on duty at that time of day to respond to calls
-Did the autopsy show he had eaten breakfast
-What level was his vest
-Why did first officer believe his gun and spray were missing
-Where exactly was car parked, could it be seen easily

 

[cady]

bbm
in my post i said more information than anyone here. And yes he does. He's the head of the task force. My point is that every time new information is released, there are certain people that disregard it because it doesn't fit with their suicide theory.

What would happen if the next batch of information stated that there were nobody's fingerprints on LTs gun. Would that mean he wiped his gun to cover his suicide? That's an example of the direction some posters in this thread have gone.

NO. It would not mean that. We all know that he died from a gunshot. He could not have wiped after the fact. That does not mean that it was not wiped, though. If it was wiped, post death, the fiber from the wipe would be testable. JMO

 

[vestigare]

bbm
in my post i said more information than anyone here. And yes he does. He's the head of the task force. My point is that every time new information is released, there are certain people that disregard it because it doesn't fit with their suicide theory.


What would happen if the next batch of information stated that there were nobody's fingerprints on LTs gun. Would that mean he wiped his gun to cover his suicide? That's an example of the direction some posters in this thread have gone.

There are only so many levels of vests. It is known how bullets react with those vests. So while Filenko might have been able to test the vest in question he w would not know more than you or I or anyone else about the energy absorbed during impact. This is common knowledge, easily researched and even provided to the department before they choose the vest. It is not like a sledgehammer. It hurts, it can knock the wind out. But most every vest is built do that you can sustain impact and return fire. Filenko should know this if has been involved in purchasing a vest.

When wiped fingerprints are said to be evidence I will give to my opinion based on science I know. I don't play what ifs.

 

[marble]

I have to admit I'm getting a little frustrated with the idea that questioning the forthrightness or ethics/honesty of some of the higher-ups involved in this investigation is tantamount to indicting all of LE. I kind of feel like if the general public could get past this whole "us versus them" line in the sand thing this case wouldn't have gotten to this convoluted point in the first place.
imo.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

So when his wife said in the interview that he qualified just the day before......she was probably right.

Very interesting.

How much more obvious could he make it then if he was trying to fake his murder (masking suicide), to choose to do it the day after he became eligible for the greater percentage retirement.
Oh, let's see, I'll kill myself the day after I hit 30 years - no one will ever question why or wonder about the timing. Really?

Talk about drawing attention to suspicious details surrounding one's fake murder.
Maybe something was wrong with his brain if that's the case.

 

[vestigare]

bbm
in my post i said more information than anyone here. And yes he does. He's the head of the task force. My point is that every time new information is released, there are certain people that disregard it because it doesn't fit with their suicide theory.

What would happen if the next batch of information stated that there were nobody's fingerprints on LTs gun. Would that mean he wiped his gun to cover his suicide? That's an example of the direction some posters in this thread have gone.

And how.does the vest alter the suicide theory in any way?
I dint think it does. I just think it shows Filenko is not being truthful.when he describes evidence because he thinks we are all to stupid to understand how vests work or dna or ballistics or anything else.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

You nor I are privy to the evidence as of today afaik.

There are investigations going on within PD, check.
It is unknown if they relate to Lt. G's death though.

 

[marble]

Maybe something was wrong with his brain if that's the case.

Not to mean this in an insensitive way- but people who are suicidal more often than not *do* have something wrong with their brain- meaning they've had a mental breakdown or are suffering enough from a mental illness (such as depression, bi-polar disorder, addiction, schizophrenia- the possible list goes on and on). They aren't thinking the way people who are not suicidal are thinking.
Of course it's also possible to rationally plan one's suicide in the face of terminal illness or due to unbearable physical pain, but I'm speaking in generalities.

 

[cady]

How much more obvious could he make it then if he was trying to fake his murder (masking suicide), to choose to do it the day after he became eligible for the greater percentage retirement.
Oh, let's see, I'll kill myself the day after I hit 30 years - no one will ever question why or wonder about the timing. Really?

Talk about drawing attention to suspicious details surrounding one's fake murder.
Maybe something was wrong with his brain if that's the case.

Tut tut, we should understand that there is nothing to see there. Or question....moving right along....JMO

 

[Japple]

And how.does the vest alter the suicide theory in any way?
I dint think it does. I just think it shows Filenko is not being truthful.when he describes evidence because he thinks we are all to stupid to understand how vests work or dna or ballistics or anything else.

bbm
because if it were an incapacitating blow, or even just enough for the LT to lose the struggle for the gun to line up the lethal shot. I posted my thoughts on that in thread 3 while you were gone. I'll repost here in a minute.

 

[vestigare]

How much more obvious could he make it then if he was trying to fake his murder (masking suicide), to choose to do it the day after he became eligible for the greater percentage retirement.
Oh, let's see, I'll kill myself the day after I hit 30 years - no one will ever question why or wonder about the timing. Really?

Talk about drawing attention to suspicious details surrounding one's fake murder.
Maybe something was wrong with his brain if that's the case.

Actually his retirement date has nothing to do with his death benefits if killed in the line of duty. It is only interesting to me that he would have been really thinking about this very life changing date. She would get the same amount the week before. So it wouldn't stand out at all....so not sure your point.

 

[vestigare]

bbm
because if it were an incapacitating blow, or even just enough for the LT to lose the struggle for the gun to line up the lethal shot. I posted my thoughts on that in thread 3 while you were gone. I'll repost here in a minute.

I read the posts. But that is accepting facts not in evidence. Based on the evidence we have right now there is absolutely nothing pointing away from suicide or conclusive if homicide. So the vest point means nothing to me. I don't even care if he was wearing one or not. My point was Filenko is incorrect in saying it is like a sledgehammer. It isn't. These vests are built to enable you to maintain enough composure that you can return fire. Besides we have zero evidence it was even an impact. So again I do not believe what Filenko said but it doesn't change my suicide theory because you can get knocked down, take breather and then get yo and shoot yourself again.

 

[Japple]

Lets focus on the 2 shots fired at the LT.

1st shot into the vest: Now stand up.....ready?... Imagine a sledge hammer hitting you aprox 4 inches to the right of your belly button. What does your body do? Bend over and lean a little to the right. You would also lose grip of the your gun as this was stated an an incapacitating blow. As your body is bending downward and to the right, where is that gun pointed now? At the left area above the vest at a downward angle into the center of the chest.

Second shot: devastating.

Now look at the motion your body is in. You would hit the ground face down. (which has not been confirmed as far as I know)

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I know that he has more info, but he is certainly being selective about the info he states publicly. He , in my opinion, does have a dog in this fight. I get that. JMO....That was apparent to me when he chastised Rudd for correcting the leaked statements about where CG was shot. And he did not speak with Rudd for 3 weeks. LOL. JMO

The lack of transparency among the departments bothers me too.
After Rudd was elected, LE should do everything possible to cooperate with him. And, as I understand it, Rudd is the boss of the department (not the non elected old timer).

 

[cady]

You nor I are privy to the evidence as of today afaik.

There are investigations going on within PD, check.
It is unknown if they relate to Lt. G's death though.

Investigation going on about PD that is not an internal investigation, also. JMO

 

[vestigare]

You nor I are privy to the evidence as of today afaik.

There are investigations going on within PD, check.
It is unknown if they relate to Lt. G's death though.

There are federal investigating not involving his death but involving him because he was a member of the force. These were started before his death. T will naturally be investigating if there are connections with his death.

 

[vestigare]

Lets focus on the 2 shots fired at the LT.

1st shot into the vest: Now stand up.....ready?... Imagine a sledge hammer hitting you aprox 4 inches to the right of your belly button. What does your body do? Bend over and lean a little to the right. You would also lose grip of the your gun as this was stated an an incapacitating blow. As your body is bending downward and to the right, where is that gun pointed now? At the left area above the vest at a downward angle into the center of the chest.

Second shot: devastating.

Now look at the motion your body is in. You would hit the ground face down. (which has not been confirmed as far as I know)

He was shot with his own gun. Again this is a really great what if but it requires evidence we have not been provided.

 

[vestigare]

The lack of transparency among the departments bothers me too.
After Rudd was elected, LE should do everything possible to cooperate with him. And, as I understand it, Rudd is the boss of the department (not the non elected old timer).

That reminds me of the wife's problem with Rudd being elected which makes me think she prefers this be handlede by the old men's club because she thinks it would pan out better for her???