IN - Couple charged with abandonment of adopted child after legally changing her age, Sept 2019

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That picture from 2012 with the long hair, oh my God, that is a CHILD. And those pictures from recent years... it's so clear that these people discarded a child, a minor, like trash. Thanks for making this post.

Yeah. There's another photo from the same day or time as the first long hair photo. You can see her face age from child to adolescent to teen. I don't believe we would see such a dramatic progression if she was already an adult or older teen when she came to them.

She has the same condition as the little couple and they didn't look like little kids as adults. Just small.
 
  • #282
They didn’t just drop her off. In my opinion, they went above and beyond.
She’s an adult - You think keeping her & endangering their children would be a better idea?
I am not exactly sure how to respond. When you adopt a child, you take responsibility for them. A birth child or adopted child can have issues. Above and beyond? Not really. They took her to court and had her age changed and left her. I have not heard that they called the police, youth services, respite services, had a myriad of psychological work-ups, tried medications, had her evaluated in-patient or had supervision for her in their home. If she had a debilitating physical condition, I would not expect them to drop her off at some apartment because her illness would raise their premiums or was too hard. If she had Autism, would it be reasonable to lock her in a room and not help her, putting her into her own apartment and never checking on her or getting her services is like locking her into a room. If they thought she was a danger to them and others, why not put something in place where she and others are safe? Dumping her does not work on the issues.

No one should be in danger. If she threatened to harm them, drew pictures, or told them she put poison in their coffee, they should have called the police or an ambulance and had her committed for a mental health evaluation. Parents are responsible to get the appropriate help for their children. Full stop. IMHO.
 
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Although I was not the original poster that you were asking, I will give this a shot. I have known people who rehomed their children (met them online and in person but not my good friends) through a variety of means. It has undone me each time I became aware. In the cases that I know of personally, the kids were indeed difficult and had thrown their families into a tail spin. Adoption, in particular international adoption, can be very traumatic for children because of the first line issues of "am I not wanted" to having to break bonds again and again with those who cared for you. Many kids adopted internationally did not have continual physical contact in terms of love and soothing, struggled with food scarcity, and have learned incredibly unhealthy habits for self-soothing. Placing these fragile kids with families who don't have resources can be devastating all around. Many families who adopt internationally become stretched financially, especially if the paid for the adoption through methods like fundraisers.

So, to your question, what kind of support is out there. I think it depends on where you are located and what your frame of reference for therapy is. Therapy for kids who are traumatized is more effective if the family is engaged rather than just the child-- which means the adults are much more vulnerable. The work needs to be done with not only the child but the family system. All kinds of situations can cause setbacks-- a parent on a business trip, a change in routine, strangers (either highly engaged with them or terrified of them), birthdays, adoption anniversary, triggers that you don't know (limiting foods, requiring a child to eat certain foods, setting limits, control, physical discipline, language barriers). Some families don't have a strong enough structure to withstand the work while others have one over-commiting parent and the other unable.

The experience of the therapist is crucial. These are not situations for novices or for people who are not willing to get supervised. Proven therapies are not always used--- there are many who think that these kids can just be sat upon and controlled. When we see cases here at WS where kids have been killed or severely abused, it is often that the prevailing thought or advice was to make the kids comply. So, there is help out there but parents have to be willing to get it, participate in it and give it the time required.

Social Workers who do home studies should be talking to potential parents about these issues (both of my SWs did with us) and push the conversation b/c many adopting parents are never thinking that this will be their child, their adoption. Parents also need to be cautioned about the potential ongoing costs. Therapies are expensive and often children who have issues need more than one type of therapy-- physical therapy, OT, speech therapy, and mental health counseling. Secondary issues often arise for the other siblings in a home whether birth or adopted.

Thank you for answering. Are adoptive parents able to avoid home studies?
 
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Thank you for answering. Are adoptive parents able to avoid home studies?

No, states require a home study to adopt domestically and internationally. However, the quality of a home study can vary greatly.

Rehoming arrangements that are more financial in nature and not legal processes do not require a home study. Evidently, you can give your child over to almost anyone. Articles on rehoming are very scary and point to a very dysfunctional aspect of what can happen to children who are vulnerable and unable to make decisions for themselves.
 
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  • #286
The child is then beyond the age of IDEA and the public system is no longer responsible for education and monitoring of the person. ADA comes into play which means that educational services are no longer provided and disability/ss can be readjusted to meet the vocational options that the person qualifies for. My guess is that it has to do primarily with oversight by government agencies. An adult with disabilities (depending on the level of disability) can make decisions on a greater scale.

It kind of makes it more diabolical to me that they denied her the additional services available to age 22.
 
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It kind of makes it more diabolical to me that they denied her the additional services available to age 22.
Exactly. With educational and vocational services, she would have been able to possibly support herself and have the best shot at living an independent life. If she was indeed violent or inappropriate she would have had therapy as part of her schooling/educational program as well as the opportunity to learn pro-social behaviors.
 
  • #289
No, states require a home study to adopt domestically and internationally. However, the quality of a home study can vary greatly.

Rehoming arrangements that are more financial in nature and not legal processes do not require a home study. Evidently, you can give your child over to almost anyone. Articles on rehoming are very scary and point to a very dysfunctional aspect of what can happen to children who are vulnerable and unable to make decisions for themselves.

I read one article and was shocked at how easy it was to give a child away.
 
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Not defending anyone or playing devils advocate here and I'm not sure what I think of the photos or how much weight to give them based on my lack of knowledge of her condition. But I just want to share a story so people realize that stuff like what the barnetts allege does happen. I'm aware of a case in which a children's service agency had to take temporary custody of a girl found on the street that was stating she was 16. She claimed to not know her name or where she was from. She was also psychotic so that was a real possibility. Although she looked like she could pass for 16, there were suspicions that she could be an adult. CSB and the courts had to take her word. Eventually a dental exam was done. The Dr. believed she could be at least 19, but that was not definitive. The agency had to keep finding placements for her. Finally, During a psychiatric hospitalization, she began to slip up with the social worker and little clues were dropped as to where she could be from. Eventually, investigators tracked down family in a distant city. They identified her as a 24 year old woman.

Sometimes life is stranger than fiction. I'm keeping an open mind. Following.
 
  • #293
Not defending anyone or playing devils advocate here and I'm not sure what I think of the photos or how much weight to give them based on my lack of knowledge of her condition. But I just want to share a story so people realize that stuff like what the barnetts allege does happen. I'm aware of a case in which a children's service agency had to take temporary custody of a girl found on the street that was stating she was 16. She claimed to not know her name or where she was from. She was also psychotic so that was a real possibility. Although she looked like she could pass for 16, there were suspicions that she could be an adult. CSB and the courts had to take her word. Eventually a dental exam was done. The Dr. believed she could be at least 19, but that was not definitive. The agency had to keep finding placements for her. Finally, During a psychiatric hospitalization, she began to slip up with the social worker and little clues were dropped as to where she could be from. Eventually, investigators tracked down family in a distant city. They identified her as a 24 year old woman.

Sometimes life is stranger than fiction. I'm keeping an open mind. Following.

It can happen. I think having the girl's age changed and setting her up with welfare and an apt (at least temporarily) seems like a way to let someone continue to con others if that is what they believed. The "mother" said she was dangerous if that was the case why not get her treatment even if it is inpatient. Or have the adoption nullified do to fraud, instead of petitioning for her age to be changed?
 
  • #294
Does anyone think the court will figure out who brought the child to the US in the first place? As Kaen points out, she ought to have citizenship documents. Those documents are something she needs at any age, and will show (I expect) a few more people who have been involved in this travesty.

Bless those Mans!!!
 
  • #295
It kind of makes it more diabolical to me that they denied her the additional services available to age 22.
Yes! Like an Education :confused:

'They've already tried to speak to Natalia's adopted parents and tried to go through the courts,' added the friend. 'They are just not getting anywhere and now this is escalating.

'She is just in a really awkward position and they are trying to help her out. There's actually very limited things they can do for her because people are saying she's 30. She can't even go to high school.'


Records show the Mans have also sought guardianship for several of their other children.

Not defending anyone or playing devils advocate here and I'm not sure what I think of the photos or how much weight to give them based on my lack of knowledge of her condition.

...Sometimes life is stranger than fiction. I'm keeping an open mind. Following.
Usually I would wholeheartedly agree with this, :) even in this case, I didn't put any weight in the photos as evidence until the last couple of days. Now though I do believe the photos say it all.

I'm not sure which photos or how many you have seen?

There's a ton out there now, unfortunately :( but it's very clear she has 'aged/matured' just as you would expect from any other teenage girl.
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There's a huge difference looking at the change over the past 5 years. The rate of which seems pretty much in line with the average teen & definitely not an early twentysomething adult.
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She has been with this family since her 'adoptive parents' :mad: dumped & abandoned her in 2013.
Happily by all accounts, living with other kids, without the slightest hint of any problem it seems, as she's still with them living as part of 'the family'
They've TRIED adoption/gaining legal guardianship of her, they couldn't because LEGALLY she is classed an ADULT.
They DID attempt to get this overturned,

The Mans tried to become Natalia's legal guardians in 2016 but court records show they later withdrew their petition after the court upheld an earlier ruling that she was born in 1989 and not 2003.

Nevertheless she has remained a fixture in their lives ever since, appearing at family outings, joining them in church and featuring in regular Facebook updates.;)

'They've already tried to speak to Natalia's adopted parents and tried to go through the courts,' added the friend. 'They are just not getting anywhere and now this is escalating.


Records show the Mans have also sought guardianship for several of their other children.

Clearly Natalia IS NOT & was not professionally "diagnosed as both a psychopath and sociopath.":mad:

In a letter dated March 2012, the Barnetts’ doctor Andrew McLaren MD wrote that Natalia’s 2003 birth date was clearly inaccurate.

He claimed that Natalia had made a career out of pretending to be a young child.


The Barnetts had the girl’s age legally changed to 22 in June of 2012.
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Seriously...
Along with being struck-off this guy wants locking-up!

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  • #296
... Adoption, in particular international adoption, can be very traumatic for children because of the first line issues of "am I not wanted" to having to break bonds again and again with those who cared for you. Many kids adopted internationally did not have continual physical contact in terms of love and soothing, struggled with food scarcity, and have learned incredibly unhealthy habits for self-soothing. Placing these fragile kids with families who don't have resources can be devastating all around. Many families who adopt internationally become stretched financially, especially if they paid for the adoption through methods like fundraisers.

So, to your question, what kind of support is out there? I think it depends on where you are located and what your frame of reference for therapy is. Therapy for kids who are traumatized is more effective if the family is engaged rather than just the child-- which means the adults must be much more vulnerable. The work needs to be done with not only the child but the family system.
All kinds of situations can cause setbacks-- a parent on a business trip, a change in routine, strangers (either highly engaged with them or terrified of them), birthdays, adoption anniversary, triggers that you don't know (limiting foods, requiring a child to eat certain foods, setting limits, control, physical discipline, language barriers). Some families don't have a strong enough structure to withstand the work while others have one over-commiting parent and the other unable or children who were in the family prior resisting.
:( This is what's really getting me so mad now.

It does look as though Natalia has been doing really well & happily settled into life with this family, this current situation could have devastating consequences with her progress.

With that in mind the questions raised about the length of time taken in bringing up these charges, is it possible this was a consideration? I'm curious whether the authorities even would do that.
As you are following :D @gitana1 I would be particularly interested in hearing your thoughts? (with what we know at this point as I'm sure there's more twists to come)
 
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I am not exactly sure how to respond. When you adopt a child, you take responsibility for them. A birth child or adopted child can have issues. Above and beyond? Not really. They took her to court and had her age changed and left her. I have not heard that they called the police, youth services, respite services, had a myriad of psychological work-ups, tried medications, had her evaluated in-patient or had supervision for her in their home. If she had a debilitating physical condition, I would not expect them to drop her off at some apartment because her illness would raise their premiums or was too hard. If she had Autism, would it be reasonable to lock her in a room and not help her, putting her into her own apartment and never checking on her or getting her services is like locking her into a room. If they thought she was a danger to them and others, why not put something in place where she and others are safe? Dumping her does not work on the issues.

No one should be in danger. If she threatened to harm them, drew pictures, or told them she put poison in their coffee, they should have called the police or an ambulance and had her committed for a mental health evaluation. Parents are responsible to get the appropriate help for their children. Full stop. IMHO.

According to the information I have seen, she had been committed, evaluated, determined to be an adult & a psychopath. Once that determination was made she was moved to an adult program. She was then kicked out. That’s when the Barnett’s rented her an apartment.
 
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According to the information I have seen, she had been committed, evaluated, determined to be an adult & a psychopath. Once that determination was made she was moved to an adult program. She was then kicked out. That’s when the Barnett’s rented her an apartment.

There are 3 different evaluations done, 2 with a younger age and one with an older age, even by that dcotor's account the parents went with the older age range:
"A court affidavit contains hospital records that estimated Natalia's age to be approximately 8 in 2010 and closer to 11 in 2012, but Kristine provided a separate doctor evaluation that claimed Natalia was an adult. The written statement by Dr. Andrew P. McLaren at IU Health in Indiana stated that Natalia's provided date of birth was "clearly inaccurate," citing dental development, menstrual development, and several other factors. He estimated that she was likely between 18 and 22 at the time of evaluation in 2012." Indiana couple legally changed daughter's age before abandoning her, police say

"According to the affidavit, doctors at Peyton Manning Children’s Hospital examined Barnett’s daughter, who has also been diagnosed with a type of dwarfism called spondyloepiphyseal, and concluded she was somewhere around 8 years old. It’s not clear when the exam took place." Father accused of altering adopted daughter’s age from 11 to 22 and then abandoning her to move to Canada turns himself in

I have not seen documents other than the mother's assertion that the child was dx'd with these disorders. And, even if she was dx'd as a psychopath and sociopath, the parents had a duty to make sure that she was working within the system for support and services. "Kristine Barnett further said that Natalia had been diagnosed as both a psychopath and a sociopath. Natalia has not been reached for comment, and it was not immediately clear if she was involved in legal action against her adoptive parents." Indiana couple legally changed daughter's age before abandoning her, police say
 
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