Inconsistencies in DB's Story

[melissasmom]

It does sound strongly though that you believe that DB didn't have a part in it. That's just my assessment. Not saying anything about whether that's right or wrong, of course. It just seems to be the way you come across. I just hope that everyone in the neighborhood is safe from whoever did it, if that's the case. A person who would take a baby would literally do anything.

In fairness, I think Ron is the most objective person who has posted on this board. He hasn't said anything "good" about DB, and he hasn't said anything "bad". He hasn't said he thinks the story is hinky, or that he feels it is credible. He is just posting what he has found out about some things in this case.

 

[kansascitypi]

It does sound strongly though that you believe that DB didn't have a part in it. That's just my assessment. Not saying anything about whether that's right or wrong, of course. It just seems to be the way you come across. I just hope that everyone in the neighborhood is safe from whoever did it, if that's the case. A person who would take a baby would literally do anything.

This is an assumption on your part. I'm not sure why you assume that. I'm not going to comment either way or else I would be sharing my theory, which I said I wouldn't do.

Frankly, my observation is that whether it be here or FB, those who are adamant believe DB did it believe one is soft on her if you're not asking for her lynching. So, please, with all due respect, don't assume what my theory is.

 

[kansascitypi]

Right now, I have the DB haters on my backside. And, now, the family is no longer talking to me. I figure if everybody is ticked I must be very objective.

 

[Sherbie]

When I have had anything of interest, I've contacted LE so I'm not hindering an investigation. Frankly, that involved things that DB and I did NOT talk about. It was from another direction.

To clarify, I wasn't implying that you were hindering in any way - I just don't know what you can/can't share with LE or others when you're investigating a case as a PI (didn't know if it was like an attorney who doesn't share with LE unless they learn of imminent danger to someone, etc.). It's good to know that you are passing along to LE anything you believe might help. Thank you!

 

[iamnotagolem]

I don't know if you can answer this, but do you think that JB is under suspicion from the police? DO you think DB/JI suspect him? I guess is there a sense of suspicion surrounding him or has everyone pretty much moved on from him?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Vlpate-I did not see your post about it.-That was a huge story back then and it seem to me that after that interview-they back off of that story--why??Something happened in that house that night and it was not a kidnapping!!!

BBM: Exactly ! And IMO, there is nothing that points to a kidnapping ...

The "inconsistencies" of DB's stories and the continuously changing timeline, clearly rules out a "kidnapping" ...

IF it was a kidnapping -- DB's story would be consistent -- and DB and JI would be cooperating 110% with LE, begging for them to FIND Lisa ... AND that is NOT happening ...

And you correct -- the brother's "story" came out and then it went "poof" ...

:innocent: I have said this many times and will say it again : there is MORE to the STORY why DB and PN made that "wine run" -- than just going to the store and purchasing "wine" and "baby supplies" ...

And JMO ... but I do believe that Deb's brother KNOWS what really happened ...

JMO and MOO ...

 

[melissasmom]

Oh, I have a question that I forgot about earlier. Is Cyndy Short still involved in this case, to your knowledge? I know after she was fired she said she would continue to work on finding Lisa, but I haven't heard anything.

ETA: oops, forgot to say this question is for Ron.

 

[kansascitypi]

To clarify, I wasn't implying that you were hindering in any way - I just don't know what you can/can't share with LE or others when you're investigating a case as a PI (didn't know if it was like an attorney who doesn't share with LE unless they learn of imminent danger to someone, etc.). It's good to know that you are passing along to LE anything you believe might help. Thank you!

It's cool. It's a good question. Let me explain.

I'm not hired by anybody on this case. So, I owe allegiance to nobody. Any confidentiality is based on my offering it. While I'm a licensed PI, I approach this as a reporter and thus a blogger. If I were hired as a PI on this case, I could not discuss all the things I do publicly since there would be a retainer agreement.

My experience as a private investigator for 18 years and a background in broadcast news has served me well. It also hasn't hurt being raised on a mid-Missouri farm and I know how to talk to people.

 

[kansascitypi]

Oh, I have a question that I forgot about earlier. Is Cyndy Short still involved in this case, to your knowledge? I know after she was fired she said she would continue to work on finding Lisa, but I haven't heard anything.

ETA: oops, forgot to say this question is for Ron.

Cindy is no longer hired for this case. I know she still is interested in it and I have had to hour long conversations with her in her office about some things I may want to take a look at. She has been most cooperative and pleasant.

I was a bit pleasantly surprised when I decided to stop by her office. I took a shot. When the receptionist went in to tell her I was in the lobby (we had never met or corresponded), I could hear her say , "Oh, Ron Rugen. Tell him to come right in." I could not have been more well received.

I think it was a big mistake letting her go. I respect her as an advocate for her clients. She seems fair but firm.

 

[kansascitypi]

I don't know if you can answer this, but do you think that JB is under suspicion from the police? DO you think DB/JI suspect him? I guess is there a sense of suspicion surrounding him or has everyone pretty much moved on from him?

I do not believe the parents suspect him. As for law enforcement, I would guess (only a guess) that all options are open for them, though they probably have some favorite characters.

As for me, there's a lot of questions I would like to ask JB right now, but he will no longer talk to me. We met in early December 2011, but now his response to talking to me further is that he has already talked to LE and FBI. Admittedly, nobody has to talk to me. But I would like to think I've made some inroads and I've been fair to those I've talked to.

 

[melissasmom]

Cindy is no longer hired for this case. I know she still is interested in it and I have had to hour long conversations with her in her office about some things I may want to take a look at. She has been most cooperative and pleasant.

I was a bit pleasantly surprised when I decided to stop by her office. I took a shot. When the receptionist went in to tell her I was in the lobby (we had never met or corresponded), I could hear her say , "Oh, Ron Rugen. Tell him to come right in." I could not have been more well received.

I think it was a big mistake letting her go. I respect her as an advocate for her clients. She seems fair but firm.

Yes, I agree it was a big mistake. I am assuming it was Tacopina that gave her the boot.

 

[Sherbie]

You know, I never thought of this until now, but I knew someone once who was an alcoholic and also used this "spilling" statement a lot. I remember several of our friends would always know that this person was going to talk about how she "spilled" some of her alcohol. Interesting.

He gets very jittery when he hasn't had anything to drink and shakes so badly you don't dare hand him anything to pass around the table (especially since the T-giving gravy incident years ago). Even during periods of sustained sobriety, the neuropathy he's developed still causes problems with his hands. It's a horrible disease and such a sad thing to see anyone suffer with.

I'm not saying DB's spilling her coffee/wine means she is an alcoholic. If not, hope she gets a neurological workup. Definitely not normal for someone her age to spill their coffee most mornings.

 

[melissasmom]

Thought of another question. Gotta get this in before bedtime. Is Gil Abeyta still doing any work on this? Have you met him?

 

[octobermoon]

Oh, I have a question that I forgot about earlier. Is Cyndy Short still involved in this case, to your knowledge? I know after she was fired she said she would continue to work on finding Lisa, but I haven't heard anything.

ETA: oops, forgot to say this question is for Ron.

I really thought she did a great job and will never understand why JT wanted her out. She gave a softer "face" to the search for Lisa. JT rubs me the wrong way.
IMO

 

[kansascitypi]

BBM: Exactly ! And IMO, there is nothing that points to a kidnapping ...

The "inconsistencies" of DB's stories and the continuously changing timeline, clearly rules out a "kidnapping" ...

IF it was a kidnapping -- DB's story would be consistent -- and DB and JI would be cooperating 110% with LE, begging for them to FIND Lisa ... AND that is NOT happening ...

And you correct -- the brother's "story" came out and then it went "poof" ...

:innocent: I have said this many times and will say it again : there is MORE to the STORY why DB and PN made that "wine run" -- than just going to the store and purchasing "wine" and "baby supplies" ...

And JMO ... but I do believe that Deb's brother KNOWS what really happened ...

JMO and MOO ...

The brother story came from me. I was given that info from a "source close to LE". I can't verify it for accuracy if it did indeed occur.

IMO, there is more than one option of what happened that night or this case would be closer to being solved. I've said all along is that there are a lot of questionable characters in this case and some or many are liars. I'm not pointing at any one in particular, and certainly not all involved. We do know, from his criminal record however, that Jersey would be one to fit this.

I'm not convinced that Jersey is just an easy distraction, however, from what really happened. He may have zero to do with this case.

 

[melissasmom]

He gets very jittery when he hasn't had anything to drink and shakes so badly you don't dare hand him anything to pass around the table (especially since the T-giving gravy incident years ago). Even during periods of sustained sobriety, the neuropathy he's developed still causes problems with his hands. It's a horrible disease and such a sad thing to see anyone suffer with.

I'm not saying DB's spilling her coffee/wine means she is an alcoholic. If not, hope she gets a neurological workup. Definitely not normal for someone her age to spill their coffee most mornings.

Really? I spill my coffee practically every day. I also manage to dump half of the grounds all over when I make my morning pot.

ETA: Well, I AM a couple decades older than her. Maybe that's it.

 

[highflyer]

Really? I spill my coffee practically every day. I also manage to dump half of the grounds all over when I make my morning pot.

Me too. :blushing:

 

[kansascitypi]

You know, and please pardon me if this seems a bit impertinent, it sounds as if you are asking to be hired and put on a retainer so you can't talk. Maybe it's just me.

Inaccurate perception. Frankly, I have more freedom than if I were hired. I can voice questions, write my blog, discuss with JVM my thoughts. If I were hired, I could not.

I have not asked the family to hire me and have no plans to. They have their "team" whatever that is.

But, I stress, I'm not submitting my resume to be hired for this case. Not sure how that was perceived.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I'm not taking up for her but, IMO, in fairness, I think some of the news interviews the day they discussed her drunken state, she was talked into the characterization of it. JMO

BBM: JMO but I think Deb being "drunk" is her "Defense Strategy" ... and that is WHY Deb being "drunk" was put out there ...

I remember in one of the interviews [sorry, I don't have link handy but I am sure it is in the Timeline that one of the members did here] Deb was actually kind of "giddy" about being drunk ...

MOO ...

 

[kansascitypi]

Thought of another question. Gotta get this in before bedtime. Is Gil Abeyta still doing any work on this? Have you met him?

I have not personally met Mr. Abeyta. My impression is that his work is done and he submitted a report to LE some time ago. He, too, did it all on his own dime.