Injuries and ME report

[Lucy's mom]

Thanks for posting that, Phenol. I saw the video last week but there was no information on the woman so I was praying that she survived. Her road rash was very similar to Tawni, except Tawni did not have a lot on her hands which still bothers me. At first, I thought she jumped freely but normally your first reaction is to protect the fall by putting your hands out. I didn't see that with Tawni.

 

[BeavisMom62]

Alright folks, referring to the ME report. It states that Tawni's endometrium is hemorrhagic, which is fancy shmancy talk for bleeding. Thoughts here-- does this mean Tawni was menstruating or does it mean otherwise? It says her vagina is without lacerations and abrasions.. should we just assume it was that time of the month or should this be questioned?.. Or am I reading this wrong and vaginas are supposed to hemorrage, whether menstruating or not? Endometrium is too far up to be bleeding from, lets say, a rape or sexual assault, right? I thought I'd ask since a catheter goes through the urethra (blood can be expected), which would not go near her uterine lining, I wouldn't think. Excuse my stupidity if that's normal. I should know better.

I would have to agree Vashley. I can't think of anything else it could be but menstruation. I can't say I've ever heard it referred to as hemorrhagic, but unless there was some sort of injury to the lining of the uterus (abortion or D & C?), that is what it would have to be I would think.

 

[believe09]

Hi, All- Deb indicated that the length of the chain that Tawni wore her cross on was 16" and she wore the signet ring on her pinky, not on the chain.

I was working on a theory with Vashley that perhaps the bruising on her chest was the result of impact with the jewelry-that can be ruled out because the chain wasn't long enough.

Vashley suggested ruling out CPR, so I will check in with Deb and Mike to see if there is anything that indicates chest compressions were done on Tawni.

 

[fmw63]

Hi, All- Deb indicated that the length of the chain that Tawni wore her cross on was 16" and she wore the signet ring on her pinky, not on the chain.

I was working on a theory with Vashley that perhaps the bruising on her chest was the result of impact with the jewelry-that can be ruled out because the chain wasn't long enough.

Vashley suggested ruling out CPR, so I will check in with Deb and Mike to see if there is anything that indicates chest compressions were done on Tawni.

Well..., the ring actually doesn't look like it would have caused a solid bruise like that (as opposed to a circular mark). But there's more. If the chain really was 16", then that's enough length to reach where the bruise was (I tried it), and the ring was found at the accident scene on the chain, even though ring's not visible in the photos, it was logged when everything was photgraphed & collected.

But anyway, it could very well have been made by a rock that she tumbled on...

 

[VASHLEY88]

Well..., the ring actually doesn't look like it would have caused a solid bruise like that (as opposed to a circular mark). But there's more. If the chain really was 16", then that's enough length to reach where the bruise was (I tried it), and the ring was found at the accident scene on the chain, even though ring's not visible in the photos, it was logged when everything was photgraphed & collected.

But anyway, it could very well have been made by a rock that she tumbled on...

I guess I could see the bruises being made by the ring if the ring was vertically pressing up against her chest. But what are the chances since she has more? Yeah, it could've been done by a rock, if not CPR.. but what about her lip? It is on the opposite side of where the cerebral spinal fluid accumulated, which was caused by her basilar skull fracture. I'm gonna try to figure this lip thing out if it's the last thing I do!

You know, speaking of her skull fracture, I think Tawni HAD to have hit the back of her head first. Just because the occipital region of the skull is just above where she got her seperation fracture *not to mention the occipital bone is the lowest part of your head above your neck*. I bet that happened (c1 seperation) after she hit the back of her head and she rolled backwards. There is no way she came out face first, and even if she had come out face first and flipped there is NO WAY she could've hit the occipital region! It's waay to far back, IMO. I think we were right..

 

[believe09]

Well..., the ring actually doesn't look like it would have caused a solid bruise like that (as opposed to a circular mark). But there's more. If the chain really was 16", then that's enough length to reach where the bruise was (I tried it), and the ring was found at the accident scene on the chain, even though ring's not visible in the photos, it was logged when everything was photgraphed & collected.

But anyway, it could very well have been made by a rock that she tumbled on...

Huh-thank you FM-I am 5'7" with a long skinny neck, and an object on a 16" chain comes no where near the spot below where Tawni's tattoo was.

 

[VASHLEY88]

I'm 5'4, and 16 inches comes close to the middle of my.. chest.. icles.

 

[fmw63]

I'm 5'4, and 16 inches comes close to the middle of my.. chest.. icles.

I'm 5'3", same here.

 

[believe09]

:footinmouth:

 

[VASHLEY88]

But when I actually wear it, LOL, it seems to come above my bust.

 

[VASHLEY88]

Okay, I just want to organize things real quick.

Injuries that do NOT seem to follow what happened AFTER the jump/shove:


Assault?:

1) Bruising on Tawni's chest. Does not appear to be related to chest compressions, for now. Possibly from Tawni's ring that was hanging from her necklace from impact. May be too short to have extended to the length of the area of Tawni's contusions. Elbow strikes, deep fingerpoking or possibly knuckle(s).

2) Fat lip. Possible punch, backhand, slap or elbow strike. Does not seem to correlate with Tawni's other injuries upon exiting the vehicle.

3) Questionable hemmorhaging in pelvic area.

 

[Fairy1]

Okay, I just want to organize things real quick.

Injuries that do NOT seem to follow what happened AFTER the jump/shove:


Assault?:

1) Bruising on Tawni's chest. Does not appear to be related to chest compressions, for now. Possibly from Tawni's ring that was hanging from her necklace from impact. May be too short to have extended to the length of the area of Tawni's contusions. Elbow strikes, deep fingerpoking or possibly knuckle(s).

2) Fat lip. Possible punch, backhand, slap or elbow strike. Does not seem to correlate with Tawni's other injuries upon exiting the vehicle.

3) Questionable hemmorhaging in pelvic area.

Vash - thank you for your expert opinion - I'm always grateful for your medical knowledge! I cannot see the chest bruise being caused by the ring. I would probably have assumed it was from chest compressions from the first responders; but if you say that's not likely, I defer to your opinion.

I can definitely see where a couple of backhands from WW would not only have caused the chest bruise and the fat lip - but may also very well have been what caused Tawni to jump out of that car.

The pelvic hemmorhaging confuses me since the ME report stated she did not appear to have been sexually assaulted. I'm wondering what the terminology would be if the subject is simply menstruating. Why wouldn't they just say that??????

 

[VASHLEY88]

Vash - thank you for your expert opinion - I'm always grateful for your medical knowledge! I cannot see the chest bruise being caused by the ring. I would probably have assumed it was from chest compressions from the first responders; but if you say that's not likely, I defer to your opinion.

I can definitely see where a couple of backhands from WW would not only have caused the chest bruise and the fat lip - but may also very well have been what caused Tawni to jump out of that car.

The pelvic hemmorhaging confuses me since the ME report stated she did not appear to have been sexually assaulted. I'm wondering what the terminology would be if the subject is simply menstruating. Why wouldn't they just say that??????

Thank you-- I'm no doctor though and can be quite dumb sometimes! Just kind of organizing what we're doing here! :blowkiss:

Well, just the locations of her bruising seemed kind of awkward for it to be from CPR, I could be wrong, however. Believe and I are investigating this.


ETA:

The hemorrhagic endometrium just means it was normal.. like we assumed,(impending) menstruation. My mistake! It's supposed to give a thickness of it and it didn't so I was thrown off. Sorry guys! I had to hit the books for that one. I'll chill out with the vaginas now.


I wonder if they ever tested WW or LDJ for any type of defense marks?..

 

[fmw63]

I wonder if they ever tested WW or LDJ for any type of defense marks?..

I asked once about Lindsey, and they said she didn't, but I hadn't asked about WW.