Tightening up the time line-

[VASHLEY88]

from what I have heard, LE doesn't know that China White is in town until users start dropping like flies. Then again I am no expert. but I will talk with Suzie and see what she knows about that drug.

Her tox report came back negative. If she used China White, it would come back as a narcotic (opiate), I believe.. right?

Anyway, I know she didn't just "jump in" the vehicle.

 

[Zanko]

I think one of the most "telling" aspects of WW's involvement in a "cover up" is that he let LDJ go. Pimps don't just let girls leave on their own. Everything LDJ has said about him attests to this. She was being sent away.

The other thing I was thinking about (again and again) is what would make someone jump from a moving vehicle? Tawni may have known what WW was capable of. If I were LE I'd be looking at any disappearances of known prostitutes within a month or so before Tawni's "accident". Maybe she saw something so horrific that she knew she had a better chance at survival if she jumped?

 

[SassyAnne]

I think one of the most "telling" aspects of WW's involvement in a "cover up" is that he let LDJ go. Pimps don't just let girls leave on their own. Everything LDJ has said about him attests to this. She was being sent away.

The other thing I was thinking about (again and again) is what would make someone jump from a moving vehicle? Tawni may have known what WW was capable of. If I were LE I'd be looking at any disappearances of known prostitutes within a month or so before Tawni's "accident". Maybe she saw something so horrific that she knew she had a better chance at survival if she jumped?

That is a an excellent idea. Can that still be checked on???

 

[SassyAnne]

didn't someone say that a similar incident happened in another state where a person had jumped or was thrown from a car? and wasn't AF out of the Arizona at the same time? I think that I am going to look up this type of car accidents between 96-present. how old is WW? and how long has he been a disgusting pervert? he disappeared for 8 years so he may have kept a low profile. And how did LE find him again and in what state? Sorry lots of questions here but when did we learn that AF was WW? ttyl when I get back from work.

 

[shadowangel]

I believe someone posted about a similar incident which occured in MA. I'll try to find the post.
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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2536235&highlight=window#post2536235 post #211

 

[SassyAnne]

ty Shadow, i have a few minutes before my ride gets here. if AF/WW can be connected to another crime, I want to see burn in H#$% for that too.

 

[Auburnmommyof2]

Ok, if they did pick her up at the mini-mart...and from what we know about them fighting that day at the car lot, then this is one scenerio:
WW/AF got Tawni from another guy to work for him. Could have been that she used to work for the other guy (Phelps I think). Tawni had been under tight reigns by her parents for a while, got out of the house and went to meet up with Phelps or whoever to "work". She could have met Phelps before he went to jail. WW/AF says "you can work for me now" LDL gets mad about the competition, they argue in front of the car lot. WW probably got rough with LDL and Tawni then knew she was in danger.

Scenerio 2: Tawni could have been traded to WW for a drug debt or something else by another pimp.

Just some thoughts

I'm re-posting this because I think it kinda got lost..lol.

 

[VASHLEY88]

I think one of the most "telling" aspects of WW's involvement in a "cover up" is that he let LDJ go. Pimps don't just let girls leave on their own. Everything LDJ has said about him attests to this. She was being sent away.

The other thing I was thinking about (again and again) is what would make someone jump from a moving vehicle? Tawni may have known what WW was capable of. If I were LE I'd be looking at any disappearances of known prostitutes within a month or so before Tawni's "accident". Maybe she saw something so horrific that she knew she had a better chance at survival if she jumped?

Zanko, I couldn't agree with you more. Thank you for this valuable input!

Scenario I thought about (your question about what would make Tawni jump):


Perhaps Tawni associated with people who knew LDJ on a somewhat regular basis, and that's how she was "introduced" to it. Maybe Tawni had been turning tricks on her own, or had a different pimp she was working for (Phelps??). Anyway, whatever the case.. say after she got into this fight with her mother, and she ran away because that's what she did to cool off. She meets LDJ, and LDJ OR WW promises all of these good things for her, some work, money, food, shelter, whatever she needed. "You won't have to steal things anymore because you'll make so much money doing this you can have whatever you want." So she decides to try this out, but doesn't want to live on the streets or anything. So LDJ comes over, helps her pack her things, her mom tells her goodbye because she's used to this anyway. Alonzo is waiting outside for them, and LDJ makes sure Tawni is sitting in the middle. So, they go to Van Buren and maybe Tawni has frequented the area a lot and is comfortable there. So, in front of the car lot, maybe WW mentioned to them that he was going to take them somewhere else to turn a few tricks,perhaps even Tucson, and Tawni was not comfortable with this. So, they argue in front of the car lot. WW starts getting angry.. this girl is giving him a hard time about a place he knows can make some good money. So, he says whatever he had to say to get both Tawni and LDJ back in the car, and off they go to toward Eloy. Tawni starts panicking in the car. Telling WW to let her out so she can go back home. She's in way over her head now. She might be yelling and begging to just let her go. WW is starting to reach his boiling point, because Tawni is being "defiant" with him, so to show her who's boss, maybe he hit her. He might be screaming and yelling at her at this point, calling her names and making threats. Her alarm goes off, and she just wants to go back home, so she positioned herself in LDJ's lap, claiming if they don't stop she's going to jump out. Alonzo doesn't stop, and is throughly ticked off (I wish I knew what he was reaching for in the back at this point). Tawni continues to threaten to jump, and he probably doesn't care at this point. Maybe he's reaching in the back to say "good, take your crap with you too". And then it happens. I can see Tawni having a stubborn personality like that. After all, she was a tough girl. Says to herself that she can sustain a few broken bones and some road rash to get out of the situation.

Perhaps Alonzo covered his ass by saying "she wanted to be let because her boyfriend would beat her" to cover up any marks he could have left on her, so they could just assume "the boyfriend" did it?

 

[Auburnmommyof2]

Zanko, I couldn't agree with you more. Thank you for this valuable input!

Scenario I thought about (your question about what would make Tawni jump):


Perhaps Tawni associated with people who knew LDJ on a somewhat regular basis, and that's how she was "introduced" to it. Maybe Tawni had been turning tricks on her own, or had a different pimp she was working for (Phelps??). Anyway, whatever the case.. say after she got into this fight with her mother, and she ran away because that's what she did to cool off. She meets LDJ, and LDJ OR WW promises all of these good things for her, some work, money, food, shelter, whatever she needed. "You won't have to steal things anymore because you'll make so much money doing this you can have whatever you want." So she decides to try this out, but doesn't want to live on the streets or anything. So LDJ comes over, helps her pack her things, her mom tells her goodbye because she's used to this anyway. Alonzo is waiting outside for them, and LDJ makes sure Tawni is sitting in the middle. So, they go to Van Buren and maybe Tawni has frequented the area a lot and is comfortable there. So, in front of the car lot, maybe WW mentioned to them that he was going to take them somewhere else to turn a few tricks,perhaps even Tucson, and Tawni was not comfortable with this. So, they argue in front of the car lot. WW starts getting angry.. this girl is giving him a hard time about a place he knows can make some good money. So, he says whatever he had to say to get both Tawni and LDJ back in the car, and off they go to toward Eloy. Tawni starts panicking in the car. Telling WW to let her out so she can go back home. She's in way over her head now. She might be yelling and begging to just let her go. WW is starting to reach his boiling point, because Tawni is being "defiant" with him, so to show her who's boss, maybe he hit her. He might be screaming and yelling at her at this point, calling her names and making threats. Her alarm goes off, and she just wants to go back home, so she positioned herself in LDJ's lap, claiming if they don't stop she's going to jump out. Alonzo doesn't stop, and is throughly ticked off (I wish I knew what he was reaching for in the back at this point). Tawni continues to threaten to jump, and he probably doesn't care at this point. Maybe he's reaching in the back to say "good, take your crap with you too". And then it happens. I can see Tawni having a stubborn personality like that. After all, she was a tough girl. Says to herself that she can sustain a few broken bones and some road rash to get out of the situation.

Perhaps Alonzo covered his ass by saying "she wanted to be let because her boyfriend would beat her" to cover up any marks he could have left on her, so they could just assume "the boyfriend" did it?

I agree, see my above post, very similar thoughts here.

 

[Vask]

China White is heroin in a pure powder form, but it is much more dangerous than standard heroin (black tar/brown powder/etc). A lot of people who end up on heroin go to it looking for a bigger high than what Oxy can provide them (I'm thinking Oxycontin since it's more of a 'high' than Oxycodone), they can't get Oxy anymore, or they start becoming sick from the Oxy and need something else.

This story has more about China White:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE2DF143DF936A15751C1A96E948260

from what I have heard, LE doesn't know that China White is in town until users start dropping like flies. Then again I am no expert. but I will talk with Suzie and see what she knows about that drug.