The Players

[VASHLEY88]

There was not enough wear and tear on her to support this view, IMO, and the fact that she hung out with "the black guys" doesn't make this so to me. I think she liked the fringes of society because she did not fit in herself-street drugs were not found in her system, neither were prescription drugs so she was not a habitual user. Neither was alcohol.

For a child with dyslexia and other disturbances of mood, she did not have any medication on board to help her fend off her demons...does anyone else find this head shaking? (Of course I realize I am bringing this up in the wrong thread.

She wasn't pregnant and hadn't been at least to the point where there were changes noted on the ME report-she did not have scarring from abortions either. This child had been running wild since she was at least 11.

I am trying not be be defensive of her or squash thought processes-swear. I think that assumptions, and I am not picking on anyone, have taken us in all different directions....I almost think that we should look at this case with two assumptions and see where it leads us:
1.) Lindsey was the one who took Tawni from her mother's house.
2.) Lindsey did not take Tawni from her mother's house; so who did?

Any thoughts?

I believe Tawni began hanging out with the wrong people after her parents divorced, it isn't uncommon to do that. After my parents divorced and when I went through a few traumatic, personal family situations, I started hanging out with kids that I had more in common with, and unfortunately some of those kids had more baggage than just divorced parents. Abuse, neglect, molestation, etc. Although they are a "bad" crowd, they can be more accepting, in a strange way. I'll be the first to admit I was not a very good kid in highschool, in fact I got myself into some pretty raunchy situations with some of the people I associated myself with. But I made it through, surprisingly.


I also find that unfair that Tawni was not given any treatment for her psychological issues. But at the same time, a lot of people don't like the side effects of those kinds of drugs because it makes them "zombie-like", so she might have not taken it, even if it was RX to her. If she was having talk-therapy.. she may have been stand-offish and may have not wanted to discuss it. I don't know, these are all assumptions, but we can all agree that she had no anti-depressants or mood stabalizers in her system.. but I am still wondering what she was taking the Vistaril/hydroxyzine for because it can be used as a mild sedative for psychoneurotic/emotional disorders. Obviously that doesn't really matter anymore..

But I agree believe, for now we just need to figure out WHO she left with that day.

 

[Teresa Larson]

In the late 90's it was more common to see interracial relationships. At least that is about the time I started noticing them more so in the burbs of Chicago.

WW and LDJ make me sick. Two things... Do we know whether or not LDJ knows that Tawni was id'd? I would really like confirmation that she knows and is a basket case with worry for ???? time.

Also, how do inmates react to a minor being killed and left unidentified for so long? Is this something that would make other inmates HATE WW? Curious minds want to know. :furious: :furious: :furious:

Other inmates could care less They are scum themselves. Interracial relationships were a big thing even in the 80's

 

[Teresa Larson]

I believe Tawni began hanging out with the wrong people after her parents divorced, it isn't uncommon to do that. After my parents divorced and when I went through a few traumatic, personal family situations, I started hanging out with kids that I had more in common with, and unfortunately some of those kids had more baggage than just divorced parents. Abuse, neglect, molestation, etc. Although they are a "bad" crowd, they can be more accepting, in a strange way. I'll be the first to admit I was not a very good kid in highschool, in fact I got myself into some pretty raunchy situations with some of the people I associated myself with. But I made it through, surprisingly.


I also find that unfair that Tawni was not given any treatment for her psychological issues. But at the same time, a lot of people don't like the side effects of those kinds of drugs because it makes them "zombie-like", so she might have not taken it, even if it was RX to her. If she was having talk-therapy.. she may have been stand-offish and may have not wanted to discuss it. I don't know, these are all assumptions, but we can all agree that she had no anti-depressants or mood stabalizers in her system.. but I am still wondering what she was taking the Vistaril/hydroxyzine for because it can be used as a mild sedative for psychoneurotic/emotional disorders. Obviously that doesn't really matter anymore..

But I agree believe, for now we just need to figure out WHO she left with that day.

Tawni was only 7 when her parents got divorced so her hanging out with the wrong crowd happened later in her life. I think the step-dad probably was the one who was verbally abusive toward Tawni and her self esteem wasn't very good as a result of it. I doubt anybody would have taken her to counseling since most of the family seems to be pretty dysfunctional.

 

[Fairy1]

I believe Tawni began hanging out with the wrong people after her parents divorced, it isn't uncommon to do that. After my parents divorced and when I went through a few traumatic, personal family situations, I started hanging out with kids that I had more in common with, and unfortunately some of those kids had more baggage than just divorced parents. Abuse, neglect, molestation, etc. Although they are a "bad" crowd, they can be more accepting, in a strange way. I'll be the first to admit I was not a very good kid in highschool, in fact I got myself into some pretty raunchy situations with some of the people I associated myself with. But I made it through, surprisingly.


I also find that unfair that Tawni was not given any treatment for her psychological issues. But at the same time, a lot of people don't like the side effects of those kinds of drugs because it makes them "zombie-like", so she might have not taken it, even if it was RX to her. If she was having talk-therapy.. she may have been stand-offish and may have not wanted to discuss it. I don't know, these are all assumptions, but we can all agree that she had no anti-depressants or mood stabalizers in her system.. but I am still wondering what she was taking the Vistaril/hydroxyzine for because it can be used as a mild sedative for psychoneurotic/emotional disorders. Obviously that doesn't really matter anymore..

But I agree believe, for now we just need to figure out WHO she left with that day.

IDK - sounds like Tawni had more complicated behavioral issues than just reacting to her parent's divorce. Whatever the circumstances, a parent can't just throw up their hands and give up when thehy have a troubled child. We just don't know what she was facing at home - and likely never will!

First we had the statements of WW and LDJ to go on - mostly (or all!) lies.

Now we have to depend on statements from Tawni's family, and who knows how truthful they'll be?

 

[Cubby]

Other inmates could care less They are scum themselves. Interracial relationships were a big thing even in the 80's

Perhaps that was my area then as their were all of 5 African Americans in my entire graduating class in the mid 80's.

Even if other inmates are scum, they frown upon certain crimes.
I can't help but hope WW gets his in the pen.

 

[SassyAnne]

I believe Tawni began hanging out with the wrong people after her parents divorced, it isn't uncommon to do that. After my parents divorced and when I went through a few traumatic, personal family situations, I started hanging out with kids that I had more in common with, and unfortunately some of those kids had more baggage than just divorced parents. Abuse, neglect, molestation, etc. Although they are a "bad" crowd, they can be more accepting, in a strange way. I'll be the first to admit I was not a very good kid in highschool, in fact I got myself into some pretty raunchy situations with some of the people I associated myself with. But I made it through, surprisingly.


I also find that unfair that Tawni was not given any treatment for her psychological issues. But at the same time, a lot of people don't like the side effects of those kinds of drugs because it makes them "zombie-like", so she might have not taken it, even if it was RX to her. If she was having talk-therapy.. she may have been stand-offish and may have not wanted to discuss it. I don't know, these are all assumptions, but we can all agree that she had no anti-depressants or mood stabalizers in her system.. but I am still wondering what she was taking the Vistaril/hydroxyzine for because it can be used as a mild sedative for psychoneurotic/emotional disorders. Obviously that doesn't really matter anymore..

But I agree believe, for now we just need to figure out WHO she left with that day.

I agree that we need to know WHO she left with. And Talk-Therapy? what is that???? I mean telling a perfect stranger your very worst horrors when you can't even tell some one that you adore???? SHRINKS are USELESS!

 

[VASHLEY88]

I agree that we need to know WHO she left with. And Talk-Therapy? what is that???? I mean telling a perfect stranger your very worst horrors when you can't even tell some one that you adore???? SHRINKS are USELESS!

Sometimes it's easier to tell a complete stranger than someone who you believe will judge you or doesn't care. I don't know where that came from. I was just thinking about different types of treatments for the disorders that she had, which don't matter anyway, I just wish she could've been helped sooner.


I really hope LE can get a hold of a picture of LDJ so that Tawni's mother can confirm that she's the woman she left with that day.

 

[SassyAnne]

I really hope LE can get a hold of a picture of LDJ so that Tawni's mother can confirm that she's the woman she left with that day.

They should be able to get into LDJ's files and get a pic from Phoenix Vice.

 

[SassyAnne]

Sorry Vashley

 

[Cubby]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SassyAnne
I agree that we need to know WHO she left with. And Talk-Therapy? what is that???? I mean telling a perfect stranger your very worst horrors when you can't even tell some one that you adore???? SHRINKS are USELESS!

SassyAnne, the difference between someone 'you adore' and a psychologist or therapist is they have been trained and studied avenues to assist people where the average person may not have the ability as much as they would like to help someone. Persons in disfunctional families tend to learn that disfunction as norm. If someone is truely in need of medication a therapist can identify this and refer them to a psychiatrist who can prescibe medication. It isn't until someone realizes and takes the pain staking deep self inspection often with professional help to break many of those cycles. I myself can testify to that. I've been in counseling 3 times. The first time unsuccesfully because I wasnt' actually interested in helping myself at the time. Many years later I tried again and the counseling was quite succesful. Very painful emotionally, but quite succesfull. I've also taken antidepressents for periods of time while facing very deep situational depression. Unless you have experienced it yourself it is difficult to understand in others. or understand why they can't just shake it off. your body physically pulls you to sleep. As the depression increases muscles literally ache and tingle pulling you to wanting to sleep. Without both medicine if needed and counseling it is almost impossible to pull ones self out of that without the help.

Sometimes it's easier to tell a complete stranger than someone who you believe will judge you or doesn't care. I don't know where that came from. I was just thinking about different types of treatments for the disorders that she had, which don't matter anyway, I just wish she could've been helped sooner.

I agree Tawni should have had help sooner. I have a friend who is a degreed therapist. She shared with me in the majority of her cases as she treats adults, many of their problems stemmed from childhood and often expressed to me she wished her clients had been treated as children because many of the problems they face as adults could have been treated much more succesfully at an early age and before the escalating problems as a result of those problems not being addressed in their childhood.

It's a tough profession. She would usually spend about 1-1.5 years with each group before she was burnt out and had to move into working with a different group of people. She had spent time with both aids patients and adults who were addicts. Last we spoke she finally went into management with less direct involvement with clients because she was so burnt out.

 

[believe09]

Prostitutes don't necessarily have regular sex with the clients A lot of them do other things. That's why she had all of the condoms in her purse. It really doesn't matter if she was or wasn't a prostitute either way she didn't deserve to die the way she did. Also 2 things statistics prove that if a girl is sexually abused growing up she will likely be a prostitute and be with black men. I have done lots of research on this over the years.

You and I will agree to disagree on this point and I am going to table the discussion on my side. It is deeply offending to me for reasons that have nothing to do with this case.

Peace, TL.

 

[VASHLEY88]

IDK - sounds like Tawni had more complicated behavioral issues than just reacting to her parent's divorce. Whatever the circumstances, a parent can't just throw up their hands and give up when thehy have a troubled child. We just don't know what she was facing at home - and likely never will!

First we had the statements of WW and LDJ to go on - mostly (or all!) lies.

Now we have to depend on statements from Tawni's family, and who knows how truthful they'll be?

Oh well after learning she was only 7.. many things could've developed that caused her to have the issues she did within that time frame. I thought she was going into HS when they divorced for some reason. :waitasec:

 

[Teresa Larson]

You and I will agree to disagree on this point and I am going to table the discussion on my side. It is deeply offending to me for reasons that have nothing to do with this case.

Peace, TL.

Believe I hope that I didn't offend you in any way. I would never do that intentionally I am not a prejudice person at all. I have a black son in-law and a mixed grandson. I was a sexually abused child so that's why I have done lots of research and counseling concerning this.

 

[believe09]

Believe I hope that I didn't offend you in any way. I would never do that intentionally I am not a prejudice person at all. I have a black son in-law and a mixed grandson. I was a sexually abused child so that's why I have done lots of research and counseling concerning this.

Don't you worry about me, friend-I think you are an amazing soul.