The Players

[Auburnmommyof2]

I've tried to find out what Brian O'sullivan does for a living or where he worked in AZ. But I can't find anything. Can someone else who is more experienced in this please find out? TIA (thanks in advance)

 

[Teresa Larson]

Contrary to most of the thoughts here, I have to wonder if RA was 'involved' and really knew Tawni's identity why would she not have used it to negotiate terms with her forgery charge? Why would she think, Hmmm... Here is this gal LE needs a name for, I know it, but it would be worth doing more time to not reveal the name? Makes zero sense.

I believe she saw Tawni in the area on occasion previously. Tawni was tough and rebellious. The area is and has been well known for prostitution for a long time. It's possible Tawni tried to turn a few tricks on her own during previous occasions of running away. LDJ and WW saw her, were able to identify she had no pimp and were able to target her. 16 and 17 year olds may be 'smart and tough' but they are no challenge for someone like WW and LDJ.

She probably didn't talk because of the fear of what might happen to her if the people/person found out she snitched

 

[Zanko]

I've tried to find out what Brian O'sullivan does for a living or where he worked in AZ. But I can't find anything. Can someone else who is more experienced in this please find out? TIA (thanks in advance)

I believe he works in construction and owns his own company now.

 

[SassyAnne]

I've tried to find out what Brian O'sullivan does for a living or where he worked in AZ. But I can't find anything. Can someone else who is more experienced in this please find out? TIA (thanks in advance)

has anyone tried to see if he has a myspace or facebook?

 

[Fairy1]

Most girls that dance are also prostitutes and yes prostitutes do feel protected That's what their pimp is for. They are usually very close by when something goes down. I think Tawni knew what she was doing I also think she had been a prostitute for awhile. Tawni was street smart and she hung out with the black guys. I don't think anybody could make Tawni do anything She was a tough girl. I am not saying this to be mean I am not here to degrade or put Tawni down. However I have been around these kinds of girls for years plus I have 2 sisters that used to dance and I know the owner of one of the big strip clubs here.

In my experience, most strippers are most definitely NOT prostitutes!!! Strip clubs in Vegas are very highly regulated and any club with girls who hook on the side would be shut down in a heartbeat. I find this to be an extremely unfair statement.

I stand by my gut feeling that Tawni was not hooking. No question she hung with the wrong people and by doing so put herself at risk. But I believe that she was made to trust at least one person in that car and when it went sideways - she was literally trapped and terrified. She may have been tough, but she was still just a 17 year old girl going through a difficult time.

 

[Angie4b1g]

I stand by my gut feeling that Tawni was not hooking. No question she hung with the wrong people and by doing so put herself at risk. But I believe that she was made to trust at least one person in that car and when it went sideways - she was literally trapped and terrified. She may have been tough, but she was still just a 17 year old girl going through a difficult time.

Knowing what we know now, I'm inclined to agree 100%.

 

[Vask]

Doesn't seem to, unless his data is outdated.

has anyone tried to see if he has a myspace or facebook?

 

[Teresa Larson]

In my world every dancer I have ever known and that would be lots of them have been prostitutes also. It's a big business a lot of them have certain clients that they dance for etc. Dancing and prostitution go hand and hand. I am sure in Vegas the girls have certain clients too They just do it away from the club.

 

[Fairy1]

In my world every dancer I have ever known and that would be lots of them have been prostitutes also. It's a big business a lot of them have certain clients that they dance for etc. Dancing and prostitution go hand and hand. I am sure in Vegas the girls have certain clients too They just do it away from the club.

Must be a Nebraska thing, then. The dancers I've met were stripping to support themselves legally and WITHOUT PIMPS. The dancers in Vegas - in the more upscale clubs - make so much $$$ over the weekends that girls from all over the country fly in weekly to dance. I came to really respect the dancers I met in that job many years ago. They were smart and self-sufficient. If they had been nothing but ho's, they could have been walking the streets or hanging out in the casinos. They were well-protected in the clubs and working for a better life - for the most part. Of course there are exceptions, but I don't think it's fair - or true - to state that all strippers are prostitutes.

 

[believe09]

Most girls that dance are also prostitutes and yes prostitutes do feel protected That's what their pimp is for. They are usually very close by when something goes down. I think Tawni knew what she was doing I also think she had been a prostitute for awhile. Tawni was street smart and she hung out with the black guys. I don't think anybody could make Tawni do anything She was a tough girl. I am not saying this to be mean I am not here to degrade or put Tawni down. However I have been around these kinds of girls for years plus I have 2 sisters that used to dance and I know the owner of one of the big strip clubs here.

There was not enough wear and tear on her to support this view, IMO, and the fact that she hung out with "the black guys" doesn't make this so to me. I think she liked the fringes of society because she did not fit in herself-street drugs were not found in her system, neither were prescription drugs so she was not a habitual user. Neither was alcohol.

For a child with dyslexia and other disturbances of mood, she did not have any medication on board to help her fend off her demons...does anyone else find this head shaking? (Of course I realize I am bringing this up in the wrong thread.

She wasn't pregnant and hadn't been at least to the point where there were changes noted on the ME report-she did not have scarring from abortions either. This child had been running wild since she was at least 11.

I am trying not be be defensive of her or squash thought processes-swear. I think that assumptions, and I am not picking on anyone, have taken us in all different directions....I almost think that we should look at this case with two assumptions and see where it leads us:
1.) Lindsey was the one who took Tawni from her mother's house.
2.) Lindsey did not take Tawni from her mother's house; so who did?

Any thoughts?

 

[Teresa Larson]

Must be a Nebraska thing, then. The dancers I've met were stripping to support themselves legally and WITHOUT PIMPS. The dancers in Vegas - in the more upscale clubs - make so much $$$ over the weekends that girls from all over the country fly in weekly to dance. I came to really respect the dancers I met in that job many years ago. They were smart and self-sufficient. If they had been nothing but ho's, they could have been walking the streets or hanging out in the casinos. They were well-protected in the clubs and working for a better life - for the most part. Of course there are exceptions, but I don't think it's fair - or true - to state that all strippers are prostitutes.

Maybe it's different in Vegas since it is legal there and it's not here. Any of the dancers I know in Iowa and in Nebraska are also prostitutes They mostly have private clients They do not walk the streets etc.

 

[Fairy1]

There was not enough wear and tear on her to support this view, IMO, and the fact that she hung out with "the black guys" doesn't make this so to me. I think she liked the fringes of society because she did not fit in herself-street drugs were not found in her system, neither were prescription drugs so she was not a habitual user. Neither was alcohol.

For a child with dyslexia and other disturbances of mood, she did not have any medication on board to help her fend off her demons...does anyone else find this head shaking? (Of course I realize I am bringing this up in the wrong thread.

She wasn't pregnant and hadn't been at least to the point where there were changes noted on the ME report-she did not have scarring from abortions either. This child had been running wild since she was at least 11.

I am trying not be be defensive of her or squash thought processes-swear. I think that assumptions, and I am not picking on anyone, have taken us in all different directions....I almost think that we should look at this case with two assumptions and see where it leads us:
1.) Lindsey was the one who took Tawni from her mother's house.
2.) Lindsey did not take Tawni from her mother's house; so who did?

Any thoughts?

ITA, believe! Based on the timeline we have now, I do feel that LDJ is the one who took Tawni from her mother's house. That her mother let her go is another discussion altogether!

While I do not believe that Tawni was a "working girl" yet - it does seem likely she may have taken that path eventually. I would like to know if LE ever questioned her good friend "Sheniqua?" Seems the fatal connection was made at her home. Another dropped ball, I fear.

 

[Cubby]

I agree it was LDJ who picked up Tawni from her house. I would like confirmation by her mom identifying LDJ from pictures of various girls. If she is just shown LDJ's I think she would single her out whether or not it was LDJ because she and the family want someone to pay.

The question is, who was Tawni associating with in the weeks and months prior to her being picked up by LDJ and which of these friends is the link? Tawni was only in PHX a few months. I have forgotten when LDJ arrived in PHX. Do we know when she and WW might have arrived in PHX?

 

[Cubby]

She probably didn't talk because of the fear of what might happen to her if the people/person found out she snitched

but RA could have mentioned that to LE and asked for protection. WW may be a bad guy, but he's not poppin' off people like some would if you know what I mean. At least not in the sense of using a gun...

There are some things I would like to say about WW but won't because I am certain if I did, I would most likely be banned.

 

[Fairy1]

I agree it was LDJ who picked up Tawni from her house. I would like confirmation by her mom identifying LDJ from pictures of various girls. If she is just shown LDJ's I think she would single her out whether or not it was LDJ because she and the family want someone to pay.

The question is, who was Tawni associating with in the weeks and months prior to her being picked up by LDJ and which of these friends is the link? Tawni was only in PHX a few months. I have forgotten when LDJ arrived in PHX. Do we know when she and WW might have arrived in PHX?

Hiya Cubby! It was stated that the friend - "Sheniqua" - was known to Tawni's folks - and that's whose house she went to the night before after the shoplifting argument. IMO - she had just met LDJ there the night before she jumped out of that car. I believe LDJ was the "feeler" (sorry - don't know the technical term) whose job it was to find new girls for WW's "stable." Right now, I hate LDJ almost as much as WW. Seems to me they were preying on young, beautiful, vulnerable girls - and Tawni fit that description.

 

[Fairy1]

but RA could have mentioned that to LE and asked for protection. WW may be a bad guy, but he's not poppin' off people like some would if you know what I mean. At least not in the sense of using a gun...

There are some things I would like to say about WW but won't because I am certain if I did, I would most likely be banned.

Honestly - I once believed RA had valuable information, but now I'm not so sure...

Something that has always struck me as odd is how WW had LE release the car to LDJ and let her go home. Under normal circumstances, if she was one of his working girls, that NEVER would have happened. I also found it odd that LDJ was able to just call her folks and have them send her a plane ticket home. Which they did. If it was that easy - why was she all tangled up with WW and why didn't she do it before? She must have had ties to him - and who's to say she doesn't now???

And one last thought....Seems to me that LE took the information they got from a known pimp and as gospel in relation to Tawni. This pisses me off to no end! And let's not forget that a LOT of the information we had to go on in this case was related to what they said in their statements. Since when are pimps and ho's sources of credible information??? :furious:

 

[Teresa Larson]

There was not enough wear and tear on her to support this view, IMO, and the fact that she hung out with "the black guys" doesn't make this so to me. I think she liked the fringes of society because she did not fit in herself-street drugs were not found in her system, neither were prescription drugs so she was not a habitual user. Neither was alcohol.

For a child with dyslexia and other disturbances of mood, she did not have any medication on board to help her fend off her demons...does anyone else find this head shaking? (Of course I realize I am bringing this up in the wrong thread.

She wasn't pregnant and hadn't been at least to the point where there were changes noted on the ME report-she did not have scarring from abortions either. This child had been running wild since she was at least 11.

I am trying not be be defensive of her or squash thought processes-swear. I think that assumptions, and I am not picking on anyone, have taken us in all different directions....I almost think that we should look at this case with two assumptions and see where it leads us:
1.) Lindsey was the one who took Tawni from her mother's house.
2.) Lindsey did not take Tawni from her mother's house; so who did?

Any thoughts?

Prostitutes don't necessarily have regular sex with the clients A lot of them do other things. That's why she had all of the condoms in her purse. It really doesn't matter if she was or wasn't a prostitute either way she didn't deserve to die the way she did. Also 2 things statistics prove that if a girl is sexually abused growing up she will likely be a prostitute and be with black men. I have done lots of research on this over the years.

 

[VASHLEY88]

Honestly - I once believed RA had valuable information, but now I'm not so sure...

Something that has always struck me as odd is how WW had LE release the car to LDJ and let her go home. Under normal circumstances, if she was one of his working girls, that NEVER would have happened. I also found it odd that LDJ was able to just call her folks and have them send her a plane ticket home. Which they did. If it was that easy - why was she all tangled up with WW and why didn't she do it before? She must have had ties to him - and who's to say she doesn't now???

And one last thought....Seems to me that LE took the information they got from a known pimp and as gospel in relation to Tawni. This pisses me off to no end! And let's not forget that a LOT of the information we had to go on in this case was related to what they said in their statements. Since when are pimps and ho's sources of credible information??? :furious:

I agree, it was odd that they just released her. I honestly believe they felt sorry for her. Perhaps they thought she was victimized as well. Her conduct seemed to be pretty compliant so I guess they figured they'd go ahead and take her word for it, they had Alonzo and that's all that mattered to them, and they didn't even pursue THAT very well, obviously! Or sweet Tawni would have been ID'd years ago. If she got a plane ticket home that easy, and Alonzo was such an awful pimp as she stated for not giving her or other girls their money, why didn't she just go home in the first place? She may have been hounded by Alonzo when she was working for him, and since he was in trouble, he was probably really nice to her and gave her accountability for his vehicle, so she figured she didn't want to be associated with the case whatsoever and left Phoenix. If she is charged with anything, I'll bet money her defense lawyer will have a note stating she has PTSD or something.

 

[Auburnmommyof2]

Honestly - I once believed RA had valuable information, but now I'm not so sure...

Something that has always struck me as odd is how WW had LE release the car to LDJ and let her go home. Under normal circumstances, if she was one of his working girls, that NEVER would have happened. I also found it odd that LDJ was able to just call her folks and have them send her a plane ticket home. Which they did. If it was that easy - why was she all tangled up with WW and why didn't she do it before? She must have had ties to him - and who's to say she doesn't now???

And one last thought....Seems to me that LE took the information they got from a known pimp and as gospel in relation to Tawni. This pisses me off to no end! And let's not forget that a LOT of the information we had to go on in this case was related to what they said in their statements. Since when are pimps and ho's sources of credible information??? :furious:

I think LDJ knew WW was locked up and couldn't keep her from leaving. I think that's why she called her parents when she did. LE took her to a shelter that night..iirc. I think that she may have gotten smacked around that day, LE knew it, and convinced her that now was her chance to get away from WW. I think WW thought if he had the car released to LDL, they had a better chance of no one finding out who Tawni really was. LDL could get rid of the Tawni's things. What I don't understand is where the car was from the time LDL left town on an airplane and when WW got out. Anybody know? I also think that WW had the car released to her because he was locked up and would need her to come get him when he got out...kwim?

 

[Cubby]

In the late 90's it was more common to see interracial relationships. At least that is about the time I started noticing them more so in the burbs of Chicago.

WW and LDJ make me sick. Two things... Do we know whether or not LDJ knows that Tawni was id'd? I would really like confirmation that she knows and is a basket case with worry for ???? time.

Also, how do inmates react to a minor being killed and left unidentified for so long? Is this something that would make other inmates HATE WW? Curious minds want to know. :furious: :furious: :furious: