Tightening up the time line-

[Lucy's mom]

Vashely88! I'm so sorry to hear about your sister and her friends! Did they ever catch the guys? Oh my gosh, that is horrible. i can't imagine how anyone gets over that!

 

[fmw63]

I thought the same thing, but do we know how old RA is/was ata the time? But Tawni's mom said she had met the parents of the girl she spent the night with after the shoplifting incident. It is odd to me that she spent the night with her friend, then came home the next day with a new woman to get her things to be gone for a few days. Do we know if Tawni's luggage was in the car? Is it possible that this "woman" dropped her off at the mini mart and that's where she met up with LDJ/AF? Going on the far fetched assumption that some of what LDJ said was true. Also, was there make-up and stuff in the car? Or jeans? Trying to think where Tawni changed clothes that day. Is there anyway to pull up the pics of the contents of the car?

What about this: The woman leaves the mother's house with Tawni, then goes to another (the other) house, where she changes clothes, (or maybe has the skirt on under the jeans) then heads to Van Buren to meet up with Ronnie Phelps. Lindsey is already out near the Mini-Mart, sees her and tries to get her to go with her and William (the sidewalk argument). Back in the car, they head back to the house to get her things before hitting the freeway.

Whose house? Maybe the friend's house? William and Lindsey were staying at a hotel, so not theirs. (Wonder what time they checked out, or did they skip out - one of them mentioned putting "some" of their belongings in the car for the trip to FL). RA's house? Only a few blocks from the Mini-Mart... and she's the one who brought up Ronnie Phelps' name, and he actually remembered who Tawni was...
Or William's cousins' house...

 

[Vask]

The truck stop reference is from the recent article in the Phoenix Newtimes.

"Based on what [DeJong] told me, I believe that Walker was trying to turn Tawni into a prostitute and that they were on their way to a truck stop in Eloy or someplace near there," Lancaster told New Times on Sunday. "Lindsay said she tried to grab her by her feet, but she just went out the window, and William wouldn't stop to help her. It was a very cold-blooded act on his part. She was just a piece of meat to him."

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008...has-closure-nine-years-after-she-disappeared/

Where did we hear about the truck stop? That's new to me, can you fill me in? I think she realized she had gotten in over her head. I don't think she was planning on running away for good or going very far. I'm still not sure if she jumped or was pushed out of the car.

 

[Zanko]

I just read the Phoenix New Time's article. They didn't know that A.F. was WW???? ADF was a known and documented alias of William Walker! Besides wasn't it LE that said the occupants of the car were recently re-interviewed and they believed that they had no information about Tawni's identity? LE was so certain the occupants had no information, they posted this statement on the ME website.
I'm learning a lot about LE and accuracy.

 

[believe09]

I just read the Phoenix New Time's article. They didn't know that A.F. was WW???? ADF was a known and documented alias of William Walker! Besides wasn't it LE that said the occupants of the car were recently re-interviewed and they believed that they had no information about Tawni's identity? LE was so certain the occupants had no information, they posted this statement on the ME website.
I'm learning a lot about LE and accuracy.

CAN YOU BELIEVE IT???? This made me crazy.

 

[shadowangel]

There's a few things I could say about the original investigation...But I think we're all thinking the same thing. Since I've been going over the LE report and the crime scene photos, I've said "why the h**l didn't you guys---" about a thousand times.

 

[Fairy1]

What a complete and total clusterf**k! I've been thinking the last few days about what happened in that car. I've had my doubts all along that Tawni jumped out of the window on her own. But whether WW physically pushed her or just frightened her to the point where she feared for her well-being enough to jump, he is responsible for her death. I want him to be punished. And Lindsey too. There is no longer any doubt in my mind they both knew her name and have withheld that information for all these years. WTH? With so very many mistakes made in Tawni's case, I hope and pray that - from this point forward - everything will go as it should. For me, that will include a murder charge for WW and accessory to murder for LDJ. :furious::furious::furious:

 

[Auburnmommyof2]

Can't they be liable for hindering an investigation, or withholding information? Something!?

 

[believe09]

Can't they be liable for hindering an investigation, or withholding information? Something!?

Statute of limitations, folks...this is where the states case is very weak.

 

[Teresa Larson]

Statute of limitations, folks...this is where the states case is very weak.

There is no statue of limitations for murder.

 

[Fairy1]

There is no statue of limitations for murder.

You're absolutely right! Pinning all my hopes on this fact!

 

[SassyAnne]

What a complete and total clusterf**k! I've been thinking the last few days about what happened in that car. I've had my doubts all along that Tawni jumped out of the window on her own. But whether WW physically pushed her or just frightened her to the point where she feared for her well-being enough to jump, he is responsible for her death. I want him to be punished. And Lindsey too. There is no longer any doubt in my mind they both knew her name and have withheld that information for all these years. WTH? With so very many mistakes made in Tawni's case, I hope and pray that - from this point forward - everything will go as it should. For me, that will include a murder charge for WW and accessory to murder for LDJ. :furious::furious::furious:

Fairy1 you took the words out of my mouth. I have been ranting and raving on theses same points all day. and when did we find out that AF was WW? They should both go down for murder.:furious::furious: and I have a strong gut feeling that Mr. O'sullivan should too. I would like to get some more info on Brian.:furious: see you all on the other threads.

 

[VASHLEY88]

Fairy1 you took the words out of my mouth. I have been ranting and raving on theses same points all day. and when did we find out that AF was WW? They should both go down for murder.:furious::furious: and I have a strong gut feeling that Mr. O'sullivan should too. I would like to get some more info on Brian.:furious: see you all on the other threads.

I hear what you all are saying, those [insert vulgar insult here]. All of 'em! Bastards! :furious::furious::furious:

 

[Auburnmommyof2]

Ok, if they did pick her up at the mini-mart...and from what we know about them fighting that day at the car lot, then this is one scenerio:
WW/AF got Tawni from another guy to work for him. Could have been that she used to work for the other guy (Phelps I think). Tawni had been under tight reigns by her parents for a while, got out of the house and went to meet up with Phelps or whoever to "work". She could have met Phelps before he went to jail. WW/AF says "you can work for me now" LDL gets mad about the competition, they argue in front of the car lot. WW probably got rough with LDL and Tawni then knew she was in danger.

Scenerio 2: Tawni could have been traded to WW for a drug debt or something else by another pimp.

Just some thoughts

 

[SassyAnne]

I have given a lot of thought to AF/WW's statement that "JAne doe jumped in the car". What a crock. What is the first thing that a good parent(s) teach their babies? beware of strangers. growing up - my mom and I had a code system. If someone said that they had been sent by mommy to pick me up, they had to give me the code word. (Mom was going thru a NASTY divorce at the time) and if they failed the test I was to get a teacher or who ever I was with for help. don't laugh, my code word was Rainbow Bright. Ok laugh. it was the 80's and I am girl.better than Strawberry Shortcake. lol

 

[VASHLEY88]

I have given a lot of thought to AF/WW's statement that "JAne doe jumped in the car". What a crock. What is the first thing that a good parent(s) teach their babies? beware of strangers. growing up - my mom and I had a code system. If someone said that they had been sent by mommy to pick me up, they had to give me the code word. (Mom was going thru a NASTY divorce at the time) and if they failed the test I was to get a teacher or who ever I was with for help. don't laugh, my code word was Rainbow Bright. Ok laugh. it was the 80's and I am girl.better than Strawberry Shortcake. lol

If your name was SassyAnne and you were a boy, I'd be a little disturbed! :blowkiss:


Gosh he makes her sound like Superwoman (she is a super girl though!). Was she sprinting down the road chasing his car while he was driving, open the door and jump in and then after they get on the highway, jump out of the car? If she was on coke or meth, maybe I'd believe it.. but uhhh I THINK NOT!!!!!!

He's a liar. I don't believe a damn word he says.

 

[SassyAnne]

If she was on meth, shrooms or china white, I could believe her capable of jumping. but her ME report came back negative on the hardcore drug aspect didn't it? I haven't really read that report yet. also china white will not show up on a regular drug test.

 

[SassyAnne]

from what I have heard, LE doesn't know that China White is in town until users start dropping like flies. Then again I am no expert. but I will talk with Suzie and see what she knows about that drug.

 

[SassyAnne]

If your name was SassyAnne and you were a boy, I'd be a little disturbed!

Open mouth, insert foot..... left myself wide open for that one. :crazy::blowkiss: lol

 

[SassyAnne]

but you did laugh right Vashley?