Interview with Maya D at Lowell...

[logicalgirl]

Oh, I see what you mean now. Maya according to some news reports is 6'2", altho her ID badge yesterday stated 5'10". Either way, she is a big ol' girl and gangster who killed somebody with her bare hands. I kind of think she could hold her own against most.

Yes, she did do that. While two male gang members held her victim down so she couldn't struggle. And one of them stepped on the girls throat after she was finished.

 

[beach]

ETA: No matter which pieces one would like to snip from the articles, all (except the interview in her own words) conclusively state that she was turned in by a tip while already doing time. She got a deal to snitch. And of course I linked those stories very early on. I do wonder if the State will even use Mayas information. As always I guess we are left "waiting to see".

--respectfull snipped

So, basically what you are saying is that you don't believe her motive in testifying against the other two was because she had a change of heart and wanted to purge her guilt to find peace within. From what I can understand in re. your earlier posts, is that you believe her only motive in 'snitching' was in hopes of securing a lighter sentence. The tip was called in, but even after confessing to LE, they did NOT believe her and requested that she submit to a poly. To which she agreed. Even after telling the truth, but before the poly, LE thought she was covering for her boyfriend. What I don't understand with your theory, is WHY SHE WOULD CONFESS TO BEING THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY COMMITTED THE MURDER. If she is the liar that you think she is, why not point the finger at one of the other two as the ones who committed the actual act of strangulation? Makes no sense to me.

I am still on the fence about exactly how credible she is, but I am leaning heavily to believing her story. The ONLY thing that gives me pause is her hesitation / pronunciation of the word chloroform. Although, other posters here have given me much reason to understand that, too.

If you would like to read HER transcript in re. HER case from 2007, I don't know how to direct you to that particular transcript or summary. I am sure there is one out there though, per the FL Sunshine Laws. Maybe do a little digging yourself. If you find it, please link us so we can also review. Most of us here are more than happy to change our positions anytime someone provides us with good reason.

 

[logicalgirl]

Maya was already known as a snitch before this situation with Casey. I would think this is why she was in PC. Needless to say, I am not trying to change anyones mind. Just stating my own opinion and trying to reiterate the facts that seem so easily skewed at times. I would like to see her transcript and cant help but wonder why they were not included in the documents. As is the case with many things in this tragedy, I suppose no one knows for certain which things the State will or will not be using!

ETA: No matter which pieces one would like to snip from the articles, all (except the interview in her own words) conclusively state that she was turned in by a tip while already doing time. She got a deal to snitch. And of course I linked those stories very early on. I do wonder if the State will even use Mayas information. As always I guess we are left "waiting to see".

You are right, we don't need to discuss until we reach agreement, we are just here to dicuss, period.

Maya states she was charged under her gang name and LE was looking for her under her real name. They hadn't put the two names together to be her as one person.

Of course in her testimony about her own brutal crime, if she was telling the whole truth, it was necessary to tell the whole truth, which involves telling the names of the two other people, who LE already knew about. People who testify as to the circumstances of a crime during their trial and admit to those also involved are not considered to be snitches IMO. It is those who come forward with information they are not directly involved in AND who will trade that information for a reward are snitches.

I am not trying to underplay the seriousness of Maya's crime, nor the horrific brutality of the circumstances, or the suffering of the victim's mother and family. I am however surprised at the progress Maya appears to have made while serving out her 30 years of incarceration.

 

[Astraea]

I will almost guarantee that in prison, Maya was known as a snitch before this. You dont testify against your fellow gang members and not be deemed so. Obviously she was being housed in PC for a reason.

I meant I would like to see the transcript in regards to this case, not her previous case. For me the previous case is cut and dry (out of interest I would read the docs if they were available though).

RAs Dad visited Maya in prison! Common sense dictates to me that RA was trying REALLY hard to get her sentence reduced. It is written in her own letters. She even got a new attorney when the other told her what she had on Casey was NOT enough to get a deal. Maya is RAs friend and as such would want to help RA as much as herself.

Like I said previously. If people truly believe that she did not say chloroform because she could not pronounce it, then why not at least a reference to a rag being used, or something else of the sort. I wonder why the State didnt release the transcript of her interview, and I personally feel that this is because the State doesnt believe her either and wont be using her at trial. I believe they MAY use RA, but not Maya. I also believe the Belich interview was because Myaa KNOWS the State doent buy her story, so now she is offering new details, in the hopes that they WILL.

Anyway, I could be completely wrong and she may just show up on the stand, but at this point I am left feeling as though that is not likely going to occur.

 

[LambChop]

Maya was about what 16/17 when she was originally arrested. How does anyone know what her prior record was? Least of all anyone on here. She was a juvenile so unless someone knows someone who knows someone that is not public record and is sealed. But if anyone has a link I'll be happy to look at it.

Thanks

 

[LambChop]

Maya was already known as a snitch before this situation with Casey. I would think this is why she was in PC. Needless to say, I am not trying to change anyones mind. Just stating my own opinion and trying to reiterate the facts that seem so easily skewed at times. I would like to see her transcript and cant help but wonder why they were not included in the documents. As is the case with many things in this tragedy, I suppose no one knows for certain which things the State will or will not be using!

ETA: No matter which pieces one would like to snip from the articles, all (except the interview in her own words) conclusively state that she was turned in by a tip while already doing time. She got a deal to snitch. And of course I linked those stories very early on. I do wonder if the State will even use Mayas information. As always I guess we are left "waiting to see".

What I read was that RA and KC were the only two in PC. Why would Maya be in PC when she is in general population at the prison now? Everything you are stating is not what I read. Could you provide a link because I certainly would like to read it?

RA is a Federal prisoner. She cannot get a deal from Orange County.

 

[magic-cat]

Maya was already known as a snitch before this situation with Casey. I would think this is why she was in PC. Needless to say, I am not trying to change anyones mind. Just stating my own opinion and trying to reiterate the facts that seem so easily skewed at times. I would like to see her transcript and cant help but wonder why they were not included in the documents. As is the case with many things in this tragedy, I suppose no one knows for certain which things the State will or will not be using!

ETA: No matter which pieces one would like to snip from the articles, all (except the interview in her own words) conclusively state that she was turned in by a tip while already doing time. She got a deal to snitch. And of course I linked those stories very early on. I do wonder if the State will even use Mayas information. As always I guess we are left "waiting to see".

She was in protective custody because it was a high profile case. And the "facts" seem to be understood a little differently between us. Articles have also been linked about how she did in fact turn herself in. So, we are obviously on a see saw on this one. :waitasec:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.wftv.com/news/23175967/detail.html

Please check this report. It states that MD did, indeed, turn herself in. She is the one who confessed she killed the fifteen year old. The tip only mentioned her "gang name" which LE did not know. She did not have to come forward but said she did so because she could not live with herself.

Nothing about it does make MD less a killer but at least she did come forward and tell the truth. I believe that was all that LE had asked KC to do. Too much trouble for the princess. Lies are so much more dramatic.

I am interested in the repeat offender part, because as a juvenile we would not know what her record is. JMO

Apparently Maya fell into prostitution while a teen. Her neck tattoo represents her Pimp "Daddy P". Her gang name "Luda" means crazy in Bosnian.

I'm not trying to further punish Maya or thwart her growth in any way. But, if you look at her track record, how she obtained a lesser sentence by testifying against her partners in murder, it all adds up to me that she'd be willing to 'go there' again to gain something for herself. I can't say/know that for sure but the odds are that a leopard doesn't change their spots that quickly when they are facing their whole youthful life locked up - it must be very motivating to try and find ways to break down the barriers to one's freedom.

I have a hard time understanding the eagerness of people to accept other criminal's stories at face value but in KC's case she's condemned no matter what. KC may very well be a Sociopath which explains why she is the way she is (not excuses) but these other characters are criminals as well and have ruined other peoples' lives. Why such blanket understanding? Rhetorical question but :waitasec: I don't understand.

Bring on the credible witnesses - PLEASE!

 

[LinasK]

The point is Maya is not on trial. She has been sentenced. Both victims are dead but Maya confessed, expresses her remorse for her crime and feels fortunate to have only gotten 30 years.

Death of a minor brought these two together, KC and Maya. That is where the similarity ends. But in Maya's statement to LE she brought to light KC letters. KC who knows better wrote letters. KC has no one but herself to blame. What Maya has to say is not as important as what KC has to say in those letters? Getting involved with drugs and gangs is bad news. So many of our young people's lives are wasted because they belong to gangs and end up dead by either being shot to death or the drugs. Drugs can make you do desperate things, unthinkable things.

I commend this young woman for realizing that she made a big mistake and owning up to it. She has been proven guilty in a court of law, she admitted her guilt.....how many people do that. Maya has my respect for coming forward on her own. I would never personally bash her for doing the right thing.

JMO

Here, here!:clap::clap::clap: This whole post is excellent and bears repeating!!!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Maya was about what 16/17 when she was originally arrested. How does anyone know what her prior record was? Least of all anyone on here. She was a juvenile so unless someone knows someone who knows someone that is not public record and is sealed. But if anyone has a link I'll be happy to look at it.

Thanks

I googled her name and read through all the KC stuff until I got to articles directly involving Maya's case. I linked* to some info a page or two back on this thread. Maya was in PC at OCJ when KC was arrested. It's unclear to me the exact dates but she says she witnessed KC's movements and talked to her through the vents. There is a diagram of where her cell was located in regard to KC's and RA's in the Supplemental Report released last week. YM visited Maya at Lowell to interview her about her contacts with KC and what she claims to know about KC's case because Maya called LE in order to reveal what she knows. It is RA who claims that Maya did that to get a break on her sentence as Maya had in her mind to file an appeal, which she did, but it was dismissed because it was botched in some way (legal way that I don't clearly understand).

*PLEASE SEE MY POST NO. 158/THIS THREAD FOR THE LINK TO DIRECT INFO REGARDING MD.

 

[LinasK]

I googled her name and read through all the KC stuff until I got to articles directly involving Maya's case. I linked* to some info a page or two back on this thread. Maya was in PC at OCJ when KC was arrested. It's unclear to me the exact dates but she says she witnessed KC's movements and talked to her through the vents. There is a diagram of where her cell was located in regard to KC's and RA's in the Supplemental Report released last week. YM visited Maya at Lowell to interview her about her contacts with KC and what she claims to know about KC's case because Maya called LE in order to reveal what she knows. It is RA who claims that Maya did that to get a break on her sentence as Maya had in her mind to file an appeal, which she did, but it was dismissed because it was botched in some way (legal way that I don't clearly understand).

*PLEASE SEE MY POST NO. 158/THIS THREAD FOR THE LINK TO DIRECT INFO REGARDING MD.

Okay, so this nonsense is coming from Robyn, whom I now see as less than credible, because of her attempts to sell the letters and her constant crying to get out!
Anyone can claim anything, doesn't mean it Maya actually did that.

 

[TorisMom003]

My understanding is that Maya did not get 30 years instead of death from the judge because she "ratted out" the two young men that were also involved in this crime, she got 30 years instead because she came forward, admitted what she had done and was willing to be held accountable for her actions instead of blaming someone else. A very different type of situation than what we have with Casey.

 

[magnolia]

I will almost guarantee that in prison, Maya was known as a snitch before this. You dont testify against your fellow gang members and not be deemed so. Obviously she was being housed in PC for a reason.

I meant I would like to see the transcript in regards to this case, not her previous case. For me the previous case is cut and dry (out of interest I would read the docs if they were available though).

RAs Dad visited Maya in prison! Common sense dictates to me that RA was trying REALLY hard to get her sentence reduced. It is written in her own letters. She even got a new attorney when the other told her what she had on Casey was NOT enough to get a deal. Maya is RAs friend and as such would want to help RA as much as herself.

Like I said previously. If people truly believe that she did not say chloroform because she could not pronounce it, then why not at least a reference to a rag being used, or something else of the sort. I wonder why the State didnt release the transcript of her interview, and I personally feel that this is because the State doesnt believe her either and wont be using her at trial. I believe they MAY use RA, but not Maya. I also believe the Belich interview was because Myaa KNOWS the State doent buy her story, so now she is offering new details, in the hopes that they WILL.

Anyway, I could be completely wrong and she may just show up on the stand, but at this point I am left feeling as though that is not likely going to occur.

I tend to agree with you on this one (bolded part). I may be wrong as well, but, I can't imagine a prosecutor putting this woman on the stand.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I just did a quick search on Google - it's hard to unbury her stuff from that lnked to Casey, however she was arrested for car jacking, was in jail for 5 or 6 months before she confessed because she couldn't stand the guilt. She made a number of unsuccessful phone call, then told her jailer who got in touch with LE. LE thought she was covering for her boyfriend and didn't believe her. Had to give her a poly to make sure she was telling the truth. It doesn't sound so much like she rolled on anyone but told the whole story which involved two other people.

FYI - that tattoo says Daddy P and is a pimp "marking tattoo" from Maimi, which she had had a number of years before her arrest. She was the top female in the gang and was considered very dangerous. On the news blog I was reading, she is unrecognizable as the young woman she is today. Originally from Bosnia.

BBM

Okay I'm getting p.o.'d. How come when I post the same stuff nobody is taking notice?

I'm trying very hard to understand the facts here and people are posting carelessly and minimizing the facts after I have posted facts. I would hope a Mod (BJB) would thank me for posting facts but no thanks are offered.

Please note that Maya was arrested on January 28, 2007, for armed carjacking. She confessed to murder on October 15, 2007. That is nine months after she was arrested and was charged with first degree murder along with two others. Her sentence was reduced because she testified against the other two. I've provided a link in a previous post.

FYI - The "she couldn't keep her secret anymore" should be chalked up to Journalistic Reporting. They had another inmate in custody and I'm sure, they were played against one another or at least it should be considered that they could have been.

 

[LinasK]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/keyword/jackie-curtis

Here's what I found ~

09 January 2007 - Maya committed murder.

28 January 2007 - Maya arrested for armed carjacking.

15 October 2007 - Maya and two men were charged with first-degree murder.

26 February 2008 - Maya was sentenced by Judge Tim Shea.*

19 March 2008 (article dated)* ~ ... was sentenced by OCJ Tim Shea on February 26. In a plea deal, she pleaded no contest to second-degree murder and agreed to testify against two fellow gang members charged in her case.

"... a third defendant, Maya Derkovic, 19, pleaded no contest to second-degree murder and was sentenced to 30 years in prison. She testified against the other two. ..."

November 2008 ~ the two men were found guilty. Sentencing is set for January 2009.

26 March 2010, Case No. 5D10-330
"Petitioner, Maya Derkovic seeks a belated appeal of a judgment and sentence pursuant to Florida Rule of Appellate Procedure 9.141(c). ...
PETITION DISMISSED"

This timeline puts it at 4 months from charging to sentencing. I don't find that unreasonable. She still could have confessed to it in Jan. or Feb. of '07.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

My understanding is that Maya did not get 30 years instead of death from the judge because she "ratted out" the two young men that were also involved in this crime, she got 30 years instead because she came forward, admitted what she had done and was willing to be held accountable for her actions instead of blaming someone else. A very different type of situation than what we have with Casey.

March 19, 2008

MD was sentenced by OCJ Tim Shea on February 26. In a plea deal, she pleaded no contest to second degree murder and agreed to testify against two fellow gang members charged in the case.

"In March 2008, ..., Maya Derkovic, 19, pleaded no contest to second-degree murder and was sentenced to 30 years in prison. She testified against the other two. ..."

HJC "Angel" was lured to pond nine days prior to January 18, 2007.

October 15, 2007 / Two men and a woman were charged Sunday with first-degree murder.

November 2008 / The two men were found guilty. Sentencing is set for January 2009.

I linked the above in a previous post for those who might not believe me.

 

[TorisMom003]

I have looked at the provided links and I can not see where it says that Maya received 30 years because she agreed to testify against the two men. I do see where it says that Maya plead guilty in the murder of the girl and she agreed to testify against the two men. Then it goes on to say that she received 30 years. There is a period and two spaces between those two things. Just because someone agrees to testify does not mean that is the reason the judge gave her the 30 years. Sorry but I don't understand why this is really a big issue. She plead guilty. She told the truth about her involvement and the involvement of the two men. How is that wrong? Why should she not be rewarded in a way for coming forward? She didn't get the death penalty and appears to me to be extremly grateful that the judge only gave her 30 years. Personally I think that Casey could learn alot from Maya, like how to tell the truth, how to feel remorse, how to try and make herself a better person despite past crimes.

ETA: without having the judge himself tell us WHY he gave Maya 30 years then we will never know for sure.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

This timeline puts it at 4 months from charging to sentencing. I don't find that unreasonable. She still could have confessed to it in Jan. or Feb. of '07.

Plea deal. I typed what I researched from the newspaper reports. I'm not a Lawyer so I don't know the rules. The men were not tried until November 2008. Their sentencing was to be handed down in January 2009. I have not seen the results of their sentencing.

All three were charged for first-degree murder on October 15, 2007.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I have looked at the provided links and I can not see where it says that Maya received 30 years because she agreed to testify against the two men. I do see where it says that Maya plead guilty in the murder of the girl and she agreed to testify against the two men. Then it goes on to say that she received 30 years. There is a period and two spaces between those two things. Just because someone agrees to testify does not mean that is the reason the judge gave her the 30 years. Sorry but I don't understand why this is really a big issue. She plead guilty. She told the truth about her involvement and the involvement of the two men. How is that wrong? Why should she not be rewarded in a way for coming forward? She didn't get the death penalty and appears to me to be extremly grateful that the judge only gave her 30 years. Personally I think that Casey could learn alot from Maya, like how to tell the truth, how to feel remorse, how to try and make herself a better person despite past crimes.

ETA: without having the judge himself tell us WHY he gave Maya 30 years then we will never know for sure.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/keyword/jackie-curtis

Read this link on the right hand side 'woman gets 30-year sentence' - you'll see it there.

 

[beach]

BBM

Okay I'm getting p.o.'d. How come when I post the same stuff nobody is taking notice?

I'm trying very hard to understand the facts here and people are posting carelessly and minimizing the facts after I have posted facts. I would hope a Mod (BJB) would thank me for posting facts but no thanks are offered.

Please note that Maya was arrested on January 28, 2007, for armed carjacking. She confessed to murder on October 15, 2007. That is nine months after she was arrested and was charged with first degree murder along with two others. Her sentence was reduced because she testified against the other two. I've provided a link in a previous post.

FYI - The "she couldn't keep her secret anymore" should be chalked up to Journalistic Reporting. They had another inmate in custody and I'm sure, they were played against one another or at least it should be considered that they could have been.

Sorry for posting carelessly. :blushing: I jumped in this thread early (pgs. 1-2?) and recently picked it back up. I didn't read back as far as I should have.

IMO, your points are very valid. I totally understand your argument.