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I’m not denying that Iranians need to be free from their current government and that they’ve suffered horribly for years and years - I want them to be free and for there to be peace. I guess where my confusion and issue comes in is there has never been a targeted air strike that has ever led to an actual regime change, so how is this honestly going to play out? The “no new wars” President is giving prerecorded speeches saying some US troops will die, and that’s just part of war, and he’s also saying they had to do this because of “imminent threats” to the US. I would love to know what those imminent threats are and why it sounds like he will be putting US troops on the ground in Iran after his so called Board of Peace publicity stunt. I just do not see any upside to this for any country and I also do not see this leading to liberating the Iranian people. I hope I am proved wrong.
 
  • #42
Statement from France's Emanuel Macron -
Since there are doubts and questions about why the USA and Israel are doing this, President Macron makes the case:

"The Iranian regime must understand that it now has no other option but to engage in good faith in negotiations to end its nuclear and ballistic programs, as well as its regional destabilization activities. This is absolutely necessary for the security of all in the Middle East. The Iranian people must also be able to freely build their future. The massacres committed by the Islamic regime disqualify it and demand that the voice be returned to the people. The sooner, the better."
 
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War is never about “spreading freedom.” It’s about money and hegemony. Story as old as time. Considering what the US govt is doing to protesters here at home, I highly doubt they have Iranian protesters’ well-being in mind.
 
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Statement from France's Emanuel Macron -
Since there are doubts and questions about why the USA and Israel are doing this, President Macron makes the case:

"The Iranian regime must understand that it now has no other option but to engage in good faith in negotiations to end its nuclear and ballistic programs, as well as its regional destabilization activities. This is absolutely necessary for the security of all in the Middle East. The Iranian people must also be able to freely build their future. The massacres committed by the Islamic regime disqualify it and demand that the voice be returned to the people. The sooner, the better."
….from above

France also stands ready to deploy the necessary resources to protect its closest partners, should they request it.The ongoing escalation is dangerous for all. It must stop. The Iranian regime must understand that it now has no other option but to engage in good faith in negotiations to end its nuclear and ballistic programs, as well as its regional destabilization activities. This is absolutely necessary for the security of all in the Middle East.The Iranian people must also be able to freely build their future. The massacres committed by the Islamic regime disqualify it and demand that the voice be returned to the people. The sooner, the better.
 
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No it does not. But it is the Iranian regime which has tormented their people for generations now. War is ghastly but we and Israel are not the perpetrators.

JMO
Pakistan is the country that started this.
 
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I don’t know anything about you, nor you me, but I do know one thing about you actually, and that’s that you in the Evergreen State did not witness with or your own eyes 220 stories of buildings collapse and kill my friends, as I did.

To destroy a prime mover in supporting terrorism is a plus, not a minus.

We will disagree and ignore.
Yes, and I had friends who were slaughtered in 9/11 also. I will NEVER forget!
 
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Please stop this war! I was praying that I would never again see war in my lifetime. God help us all.
 
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I’m old enough to remember when the Shah fell and the Ayatollah took over.

I remember the American hostages who were held by Iran for 444 or so days.

Iran is a state sponsor of terror. Obama gave Iran billions of dollars and yet they’ve been working on nuclear capability all along.

The thousands of Iranian citizens who’ve been killed for protesting against the regime indicates to me how much the regular citizens want to be free.

JMO
I don't believe it is the job of the United States to go into countries and "free the people"-- you really think America ought to be doing that? There are lots of countries that lack freedom and we certainly don't go into all of them to free the oppressed. This "war" is not being conducted as other wars- not saying those wars were a good idea either. Trump did not go before the American people as other presidents have to discuss objectives and reasons for war and he did not get approval from Congress as other presidents have done. He just goes in there and starts shooting. This is not a video game-real people will die and some will be Americans. As a point of fact Obama had negotiated an agreement with Iran to lessen the threat of them being a nuclear threat. Trump terminated that agreement in his first term. Trump campaigned on not starting wars as he perceived other presidents did and so, here we are, with his backing off from his campaign promise.
 
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Shouting death to American and enriching uranium is reason for me.
 
  • #55
I don't believe it is the job of the United States to go into countries and "free the people"-- you really think America ought to be doing that? There are lots of countries that lack freedom and we certainly don't go into all of them to free the oppressed. This "war" is not being conducted as other wars- not saying those wars were a good idea either. Trump did not go before the American people as other presidents have to discuss objectives and reasons for war and he did not get approval from Congress as other presidents have done. He just goes in there and starts shooting. This is not a video game-real people will die and some will be Americans. As a point of fact Obama had negotiated an agreement with Iran to lessen the threat of them being a nuclear threat. Trump terminated that agreement in his first term. Trump campaigned on not starting wars as he perceived other presidents did and so, here we are, with his backing off from his campaign promise.
President Trump has warned of this conflict coming for more than a couple of weeks. Nobody should be surprised. Trump consulted the gang of eight before the strikes began. He has 60 days to work this out under the war powers act before congressional approval is needed to continue if need be.
 
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I don't believe it is the job of the United States to go into countries and "free the people"-- you really think America ought to be doing that? There are lots of countries that lack freedom and we certainly don't go into all of them to free the oppressed. This "war" is not being conducted as other wars- not saying those wars were a good idea either. Trump did not go before the American people as other presidents have to discuss objectives and reasons for war and he did not get approval from Congress as other presidents have done. He just goes in there and starts shooting. This is not a video game-real people will die and some will be Americans. As a point of fact Obama had negotiated an agreement with Iran to lessen the threat of them being a nuclear threat. Trump terminated that agreement in his first term. Trump campaigned on not starting wars as he perceived other presidents did and so, here we are, with his backing off from his campaign promise.
BBM Not sure where you are getting your information that "he just goes in there and starts shooting" this has been in the works for weeks, if not months. President Trump has tried to make a no nukes deal with Iran. The Secretary of State went to the gang of eight earlier this week, congressional leadership have been kept in the loop. We have been moving assets into the middle east for weeks now. Iran's leadership was well aware of the dangerous games they have been playing.


Regarding the Obama agreement with Iran. Yes there was an agreement that Iran never fully honored and Obama never held them accountable as they continued their efforts towards building nuclear weapons - Here's a link from Trump's first term. This is no surprise - President Donald J. Trump is Ending United States Participation in an Unacceptable Iran Deal – The White House

No one wants war and this president has done more to reduce international conflict in a little over a year than any other president. President Trump's job is to protect America and Americans - a nuclear Iran was never going to happen. He has stated it hundreds of times.

Edited to add President Trump's statement for those that may have missed it -
 
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CNN

Trump has claimed Iran is building missiles that could soon hit the US. Sources say that’s not backed up by US intelligence.​

 
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Thank you @tricia for reopening this thread!

What a historical day. Thankfully this dangerous dictator is gone. My prayer is for Iran to be able to choose a leader that will allow them to have the country that the people want. JMO
 
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CNN

Trump has claimed Iran is building missiles that could soon hit the US. Sources say that’s not backed up by US intelligence.​

They do however seem to be sending arms to terrorist groups and things like that. And they've made Iran into something like North Korea. I don't like this and I worry about unforeseen consequences. But I won't be crying for the regime if it is ending. Just hoping for the best.

Also concerned about the possibility of something happening in the Strait of Hormuz before this is all over. If that does happen, those of us in other countries might have increases in the price of petrol/gasoline etc for a bit, but it's better than missiles and bombs and Iran-funded terrorism.
 

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