• #281
In a phone call interview, Trump told The Atlantic that he agreed to speak with Iranian representatives, but declined to specify whether a conversation would take place on Sunday or Monday.

He added that some Iranian officials involved in recent contacts were “no longer alive,” following what he described as a major strike

It’s moving along. It’s moving along rapidly. This has been this ⁠way for ⁠47 years,” he was quoted as saying in an ‌interview with Fox News. “It’s moving along rapidly. ⁠Nobody can believe the success we’re having, ⁠48 ‌leaders are ⁠gone in one ‌shot. And it’s moving ⁠along rapidly.”

Israel, Qatar, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait and Bahrain closed their airspace, while Oman’s Muscat International Airport shut down and all flights were restricted over the United Arab Emirates, according to flight tracking website FlightRadar24.

Major airlines based in the Middle East with worldwide networks canceled hundreds of flights while many other travelers were unexpectedly diverted to airports across Europe or flown back to departure airports.

“For travelers, there’s no way to sugarcoat this,” said Henry Harteveldt, an airline industry analyst and president of Atmosphere Research Group. “You should prepare for delays or cancellations for the next few days as these attacks evolve and hopefully end.”
 
  • #282
I listened to the BBC all day yesterday because the BBC interviews experts from diverse viewpoints. All aspects of the conflict in Iran are presented and discussed.

Well, please do keep us posted with updates and viewpoints.
I am going to see what we can get with BBC America.
Streaming the direct BBC news is possible, but yet another subscription now. $9.00/month.
 
  • #283
The conflict against Iran is reportedly focused on killing the leadership at this time. Canada's support is for eliminating nuclear targets, but that is not currently an apparent goal.

"The unrest has now spread to Pakistan and Iraq, two of Iran's neighbors. Anti-American protests have erupted around US consulates there.
...

For now, the US and Israeli attacks appear to be focusing on the regime and less on nuclear targets. While there are few reports from Iran, it is clear that, among other things, the police headquarters and Iranian state television were hit this morning.

The nuclear targets in Iran haven't been destroyed yet. "They weren't destroyed in last year's attacks. While damage was inflicted then, we can't call them destroyed. If they want that, they'll have to keep bombing for a long time. The nuclear programs are spread across many locations in Iran."

 
  • #284
AND... how so so so so many Americans --from any particular side-- did conclude that all Iraq was.... It was the OIL

So now we have another US President who says : 'I only want to free the Iranian people"
In my own humble opinion..... History will definitely repeat itself here. There is more than "helping the Iranians"
I just so hope to not have massive carnage in the process.
EXACTLY! Now, our military will be killed along with many innocent Iranian citizens. This is a disgrace! Neither Netanyahu or Trump care one iota about the citizens of Iran! It's a total power play, and ILLEGAL! Just as the attack on Iraq was. Multiple thousands died because of Bush's lies about weapons of mass destruction.
 
  • #285
I agree, except: please don't call that unfair comment "American" with too broad a brush.

Some of us in the USA want a world of civil rights and security.

MOO
i know. i know.
But History does lump us all actually.

But I will use something like "particular Americans;
Can you help me come up with a nicer sweeter way???

all moo of course.
 
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"At least nine people were killed and twenty others injured in a storming of the US consulate in Pakistan. Hundreds of protesters stormed the consulate in Karachi in anger over US and Israeli attacks on Iran and the death of Iranian Ayatollah Khamenei. Protesters breached the perimeter wall to enter the compound and smash windows.
...

In Iraq an angry mob marched on the US embassy. Hundreds of Iraqis attempted to storm the heavily guarded area where the embassy is located in the capital, Baghdad.
...

A large portion of Iraq's population is Shiite, a religious movement within Islam. Pakistan also has a large Shiite population. Shiism is the state religion of Iran.
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  • #288
i know. i know.
But History does lump us all actually.

But I will use something like "particular Americans;
Can you help me come up with a nicer sweeter way???

all moo of course.
The current USA administration, as Canada is also American, and not involved in this attack.
 
  • #289
i know. i know.
But History does lump us all actually.

But I will use something like "particular Americans;
Can you help me come up with a nicer sweeter way???

all moo of course.
I knew what you meant.

I can't think of a sweeter way to say it. Americans can get complacent.

So I had no business criticizing.

MOO
 
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This is not true. Fox news is authorized by the CRTC in Canada and is allowed, and has been for 20+ years.


Does Canada get BBC Radio and TV... or only subscription streaming.
What other US media do you get? I just wonder if you are hearing pretty much the same with current news as we are.

do you have some sources of more info on fox??
I had seen this about FOX and wonderfed if there were any newer actions here.

The CRTC is currently facing pressure to reconsider this authorization following debates about hate speech and broadcasting standards.
 
  • #292
The strikes and counterattacks underscored how the killing of Khamenei, and U.S. President Donald Trump ’s calls for the overthrow of the decades-old Islamic Republic, carried the potential for a prolonged conflict that could envelop the Middle East. It also represents a startling show of military might for an American president who swept into office on an “America First” platform and vowed to keep out of “forever wars.”

The crown prince described the recent strikes as “cowardly,” stating that Iran was aware Saudi airspace had not been used to launch attacks against it.

He warned that Saudi Arabia would respond if additional attacks occur.

CNN also reported that the crown prince secured full backing from U.S. President Donald Trump for the kingdom’s position.
 
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The current USA administration, as Canada is also American, and not involved in this attack.
It is vitally important for the global community to understand that Canada, a sovereign country occupying the majority of North America, has no involvement in the Iran conflict.

"Canada supports the United States acting to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and to prevent its regime from threatening international peace and security," Carney said in a speech at the Canada-India Growth and Investment Forum in Mumbai on Saturday."

 
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Does Canada get BBC Radio and TV... or only subscription streaming.
What other US media do you get? I just wonder if you are hearing pretty much the same with current news as we are.

do you have some sources of more info on fox??
I had seen this about FOX and wonderfed if there were any newer actions here.

The CRTC is currently facing pressure to reconsider this authorization following debates about hate speech and broadcasting standards.
off topic ...

CBC in Canada, BBC in the UK, ABC in Australia are national broadcasting corporations funded by the government (and citizens) to present diverse and politically neutral viewpoints on current events. They are free nationally, and are available on subscription in other countries.

Canadians subscribe to foreign news channels that interest them.
 
  • #298
The More Things Change, the More They Stay the Same: The Failure of Regime-Change Operations

The conventional wisdom in Washington holds that a more democratic world makes America safer. Increasing the number of democratic regimes in the world by force, as occurred following the American operations in Grenada, Panama, and the post–World War II occupations of Germany and Japan, has proved beneficial for the United States. Using military force to remove odious regimes continues even after some notable failures. Leaders commonly blame the failures on botched execution rather than scrutinizing their own decisions to engage in regime change in the first place. When the regime-change mission encounters difficulty or does not result in the quick success initially envisioned, some leaders may fault the American people’s unwillingness to stay the course. They may also point to a faulty counterinsurgency strategy. In other cases, they blame weak post-war planning processes for suboptimal operational outcomes. However, regime-change advocates insist that properly executed operations can deliver success.

The fundamental problem with this conventional wisdom is the empirical record. Academic research shows the paucity of cases in which regime-change missions have succeeded as intended. This evidence does not support the view that regime change is a sound tool for supplanting odious regimes, enhancing American security, and promoting humanitarian interests. Instead, the historical record illustrates that armed regime-change missions rarely succeed regardless of the strategy utilized and they often produce unintended consequences, such as humanitarian crises and weaker internal security within the targeted state. While it might be in the interest of American officials to promote democratic institutions around the world, using armed force to promote more favorable regimes is often detrimental to this end.

The most common justification for modern regime-change missions is democracy promotion, which purportedly leads to more peaceful bilateral relations and regional stability. Members of the George W. Bush administration touted this logic to justify the decision to engage in regime change in Afghanistan and Iraq, prompting scholars to assess whether foreign-imposed regime change can produce democratic states. The preponderance of these studies find that imposing democracy “at gunpoint” is ineffective. In fact, the most common outcome of a foreign regime-change operation is democracy reduction in the territory. As scholars Bruce Bueno de Mesquita and George Downs note, interveners prefer pliant leaders even when greater democracy is the stated goal. Democratic leaders are more responsive to local supporters than to the foreign powers that installed them, making it less likely that the foreign-installed leaders will carry out the intervener’s wishes. The disconnect between American policymakers and Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan was emblematic of this dynamic. After the Bush administration helped to install him as the leader of Afghanistan, the tension between Karzai and the United States grew so strained over policy disagreements that Karzai stated, “To the American people, give them my best wishes and my gratitude. To the U.S. government, give them my anger, my extreme anger.”
 
  • #299
US confirms B-2 bombers used in Iran strikes -  VIDEO

In a statement, U.S. Central Command said: “Last night, US B-2 stealth bombers, armed with 2,000-pound bombs, struck Iran’s hardened ballistic missile facilities,” News.Az reports.

The confirmation follows reports from analysts tracking open-source flight data, which indicated that B-2 bombers had taken part in the operation.

The aircraft were also deployed in U.S. strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities in June.

The spy agency had been tracking Khamenei's location for several months before Saturday's joint U.S.-Israeli strikes, gaining deeper insight into his whereabouts as he moved around. The agency then learned about a Saturday morning meeting of senior Iranian officials at a compound in Tehran that Khamenei was expected to attend.

That insight, relayed to Israeli counterparts, accelerated the timeline for a strike to capitalize on the opportunity, the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence matters, told CBS News.

In an interview with GOP Rep. Mike Turner of Ohio, CBS News' "Face the Nation" moderator Margaret Brennan asked directly whether the U.S. had carried out the strike on Khamenei. Turner said that he had spoken with Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who "was very clear in the answer that we did not target Khamenei, and we were not targeting the leadership in Iran."

There is no question that the primary thrust of Trump's decision to attack Iran was his belief of the need to remove it as a nuclear threat and as a general threat within the Middle East, along with being upset at watching the large scale slaughter of Iranian protesters.

But part of his timing for finally ordering the attack was likely related to US domestic politics and Congress.
 
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So true and so frustrating finding real news vs biased reporting from numerous outlets! I miss the days of Walter Cronkite and Peter Jennings doing the nightly news in America.
As I've said before, X is where the news is. There is some shite there, of course, but you very quickly learn who the reliable sources of information and comment are.
 

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