• #341
I don't believe that the school was next to the naval base. It's difficult to map information in Iran as a lot of information is either missing, or possibly unavailable in English.

The school is not next to water, but a naval base is by definition next to water.

Based on estimates, I think the distance is a minimum of 20 km (15 miles).

I believe it was very close.

Another Iranian official had previously said the school, located about 600m (1,968ft) from the base of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, had been "targeted by three missile attacks".

 
  • #342
It's also claimed that the IRGC was responsible, with one of its own missiles misfiring and landing on the school.
Do you have a source for this so we can see the context? Who is claiming this?
 
  • #343

Former CENTCOM commander on what Americans should expect to come next​

Ret. Gen. Frank McKenzie, a former commander of U.S. Central Command, outlined what to expect over the coming days on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan."

"The American people should be prepared for several more days of exchanges of long-range rockets,"
McKenzie said.

McKenzie said "the essential calculus" over the next 72 to 96 hours is whether the U.S. can reduce Iran's ability to fire volleys of missiles at U.S. bases and allies' cities in the region.

"That's going to be a key thing to watch," he said.

McKenzie said "CENTCOM has planned for this for years" and he noted that "we're probably going to take more casualties."

"I hope we can certainly minimize those, and I know that our commanders in the region are doing everything they can to keep those numbers down," he added. 


On a possible end-game, McKenzie said while there is "an end-state in view," for now, "we need to think about continuing to impose our will on the enemy and continuing this fight at a very high level."

 
  • #344

Former CENTCOM commander on what Americans should expect to come next​

Ret. Gen. Frank McKenzie, a former commander of U.S. Central Command, outlined what to expect over the coming days on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan."

"The American people should be prepared for several more days of exchanges of long-range rockets,"
McKenzie said.

McKenzie said "the essential calculus" over the next 72 to 96 hours is whether the U.S. can reduce Iran's ability to fire volleys of missiles at U.S. bases and allies' cities in the region.

"That's going to be a key thing to watch," he said.

McKenzie said "CENTCOM has planned for this for years" and he noted that "we're probably going to take more casualties."

"I hope we can certainly minimize those, and I know that our commanders in the region are doing everything they can to keep those numbers down," he added. 


On a possible end-game, McKenzie said while there is "an end-state in view," for now, "we need to think about continuing to impose our will on the enemy and continuing this fight at a very high level."

So, we really ARE at war, albeit undeclared. MOO
 
  • #345
So are you saying this isn't war?
I'm curious.
When you attack another nation and their military facilities, isn't that war?

"While presidents have the authority as the commander in chief to conduct certain strategic military operations on their own, the Constitution vests Congress with the power to wage war. "
it is a war. the way the president is waging it goes against the spirit of the constituon, but not the letter, because congress has given a standing authorization to presidents as long as they say please afterwards.
 
  • #346
I don't believe anything Trump says, as everything from his mouth is a lie. Always cross reference with reliable sources, as he lied the last time he sent planes to bomb Iran, claiming they destroyed all Nuclear facilities.
Please source "where everything from his mouth is a lie" and that "the last time he sent planes to bomb Iran claiming they destroyed all Nuclear facilities" is also a lie?
 
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  • #348
Under Trump and his administration of unelected people, we are living under a fascist rule, not listening to Congress, not obeying the Supreme Court, unless decisions favor his edicts.
please state as opinion, to keep our thread ongoing.
 
  • #349
What I SHOULD have said but didn’t is that Pakistan fired on Iran before the US and Israel did.

I apologize if I offended anyone. I should have been more clear.
Just looking for historical context.

The 1979 revolution in Iran changed things.
It was emboldening for Iran and their surrounding countries. Diplomatic relations between the US and Iran ceased.


Not offended, just looking for how PK played into the Middle East mess prior to 1979. All I could find was their constitution, (which didn't imply much of anything) but it looks like their issues back then were numerous internal issues and their regional issues were South Asia and the Soviet Union.
 
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Trita Parsi, Executive Vice President of the Quincy Institute, says Iran had offered major nuclear concessions and that Trump could have claimed a strong diplomatic victory, but instead pursued escalation to seek submission rather than advance US interests.

“We’re not going to occupy the country,” Graham said during an appearance on NBC’s “Meet The Press.” “We’re going to give the people of Iran a chance to do something they’ve never had before: Chart their own destiny.”

“We’re going to take away from any future government the ability to have a ballistic missile program, a nuclear program, or support terrorism. That’s what we’re going to do,” he added. “And if out of this comes a new government that we can do business with, great. But having Iran no longer the state sponsor of terrorism opens up historic opportunities.”

Trump, who announced plans to completely destroy Iran's Navy, said the remaining Iranian warships would soon be sunk.
"They will soon be floating at the bottom of the sea," Trump said.
"Other than that, their Navy is doing very well!"

“The transition council is established,” he said, describing a three-member body comprising the president, the head of the judiciary, and a jurist from the Guardian Council. “This group of three would act as in charge of the leadership before the new leader is elected. I assume that it takes a short period of time. Maybe in one or two days, they will elect a new leader for the country.”

President Masoud Pezeshkian confirmed on Sunday that the council “has begun its work”, in a prerecorded address aired on Iranian state television, in which he also condemned Khamenei’s killing as “a great crime” and declared seven days of public holidays alongside the mourning period.

Videos verified by The New York Times show a Palau-flagged tanker, the Skylight, ablaze while anchored near Oman. It is one of three ships in the Persian Gulf that have reported coming under attack on Sunday. The videos, combined with satellite imagery, show a fire burning on the vessel’s left side, near the bridge and engine room. According to the shipping data firm Kpler, the vessel was not carrying any oil products at the time.

The Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps has claimed responsibility for attacks on three American or British oil tankers, according to the semiofficial Mehr News Agency. Shipping records indicate that two of those ships, the Starlight and MKD Vyom, have no links to the U.S. or Britain In fact, the Skylight was sanctioned by the United States in December for its ties to Iran. The identity of the third tanker attacked today is not yet known.

Only one in four Americans approves of the US strikes that killed Iran’s leader on Saturday, while about half — including one in four Republicans — believe Trump is too willing to use military force, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll that concluded on Sunday.

About 27% of respondents said they approved of the strikes, while 43% disapproved and 29% were not sure. About nine in 10 respondents said they had heard at least a little about the strikes, which began early on Saturday.

About 56% of Americans think Trump, who has also ordered strikes in Venezuela, Syria and Nigeria in recent months, is too willing to use military force to advance US interests. The vast majority of Democrats - 87% - held this view, as did 23% of Republicans and 60% of people who don’t identify with either political party.
 
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  • #351
Operation Epic fury? What an embarrassing, disrespectful and juvenile label IMO. Have to wonder if the person/ people who picked it did so after consulting with a group of six year olds playing with their war toys in the playground or maybe some adolescent gamers. Moo

Given the number of innocent people yet to die, those already dead (incl, those 80-150 school children), and no doubt those who are dying under US and Israeli bombardment right now as I write this, how about having a little more respect for the seriousness of these killings. It's not a game. Grow up a little. Jmo
I said the same to my husband, epic fury, that's egotistical at its very centre.

I wonder just how Americans would feel if they as a country were truly targeted, I'm not talking 9/11 or terrorist shooting/stabbings but multiple actual real bombs in your state cities, would you be so complacent and pat on the back bro then?

My husband has only 4 family members, all based in Doha, Dubai and Riyadh. Didn't get a single minute of sleep last night for worrying that he would wake with no one. There's no safe route out either atm.

It might make for good chat and entertainment for most but this is real innocent lives being 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.

Iran DID need intervention, of course it did, I'm not sure this will make a difference though.
 
  • #352
Yeah, the terms were pretty simple:

No uranium enrichment.
Limits on ballistic missiles.
Stop supporting terror proxies.

In return sanctions would be removed, and the US would assist with nuclear power reactors.

Iran's negotiation position has now been severely limited. Hopefully they'll be more amenable now.
That sounds to me like a classic playground bully tactic.

MOO
 
  • #353
Just looking for historical context.

The 1979 revolution in Iran changed things.
It was emboldening for Iran and their surrounding countries. Diplomatic relations between the US and Iran ceased.
Yes they did; you’re absolutely correct. I self reported my post and asked the mods to remove it because it was based on incorrect information.

Again, my bad, and apologies to anyone I offended.
 
  • #354
That sounds to me like a classic playground bully tactic.

MOO
Yes. You try and get the bully to stop by using words, and if he doesn't, you punch him in the face.
 
  • #355
I said the same to my husband, epic fury, that's egotistical at its very centre.

I wonder just how Americans would feel if they as a country were truly targeted, I'm not talking 9/11 or terrorist shooting/stabbings but multiple actual real bombs in your state cities, would you be so complacent and pat on the back bro then?

My husband has only 4 family members, all based in Doha, Dubai and Riyadh. Didn't get a single minute of sleep last night for worrying that he would wake with no one. There's no safe route out either atm.

It might make for good chat and entertainment for most but this is real innocent lives being 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.

Iran DID need intervention, of course it did, I'm not sure this will make a difference though.
I’m so sorry that this has affected you and your husband’s family. Praying that this will de-escalate quickly and that there will be no more loss of life on any side. 😢
 
  • #356
There are many people who are more left wing in the UK who swear the BBC is far too right wing. And there are people who are more right wing who say it's too left wing. To me these claims have much to do with perception.

I think it might be best to just be cautious with any source and try to get more than one source of info and news and watch out for biased language being used.
I trust the BBC, but yeah. It leans right.

MOO
 
  • #357
<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... with a hundred girls under a pile of rubble for nothing, I think ima keep apologizing.

I am so embarrassed for my country.

Iranians need help, not bombs.

MOO
 
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  • #358
Operation names like this has been standard practice for generations. It’s done for public messaging and troop morale.

No one thinks this is a game.

Iran is a terror regime that has killed tens of thousands of innocent people, to include at least 30,000 of its own citizens in the past month alone.

They do not have underground nuclear sites because they are interested in nuclear energy.

They do not commit attacks around the globe (mostly through their proxies) because they are interested in peace.

When they chant “death to America” or “death to Israel” they mean it.

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to (at the very least), weaken the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the modern era.

I love the name, and I love the mission.
Well said, thank you.
 
  • #359
I totally agree. Is not banning things and controlling what the population are permitted to watch what fascists and dictators do ?
dbm
 
  • #360
Imagine building a school next to a naval base, sick and evil people.
You’d be surprised how many schools are in or near all of our military bases abroad
 

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