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Trump to see first test on war powers​

Ana Faguy
Reporting from Capitol Hill

For the first time since the strikes on Iran began, US President Donald Trump will be tested on whether he has the authorisation to launch the military action.

The vote on the War Powers Act has been scheduled in the senate for 16:00 local time (21:00 GMT) on Wednesday.

The measure is aimed at limiting Trump's ability to wage military operations - but given the growing number of unknowns surrounding the conflict and previous lack of authorisation during other administrations, it will face an uphill battle.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio argues "there's no law that requires the President to have done anything with regards to this".

"No presidential administration has ever accepted the War Powers Act as constitutional - not Republican presidents, not Democratic presidents," he added.

The senators who introduced the measure - Tim Kaine, a Democrat from Virginia, and Rand Paul, a Republican from Kentucky - have said they want it on the record how senators feel about the administration's action.

"[Senators will] Vote on whether we want to send our own kids – our own sons and daughters, the most precious resource we have in this country – into a war that could end up like the wars we have just recently exited in the same region,” Kaine said.

 
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And, if it is not off topic, now Pakistan is bombing Afghanistan. This is a disturbing development.


Pakistan does have nuclear weapons.
That's over this, and the fact that the Afghans have decided that they don't recognise it anymore.

Bit ungrateful of the Taliban to start attacking Pakistan as the Taliban was pretty much invented by the Pakistani intelligence services!

 
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PLEASE don't do MLK dirty like that.


There is no reason to think he'd be celebrating this attack.
Except for his own words.
“Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.”

Martin Luther King Jr
March 28, 1968
 
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It’s already been wildly successful, Iran’s missle stockpiles have been hit hard, their nuclear program has been hit as well as much of their missle launchers and infrastructure. Navy has been impacted extremely heavily. Their leaders have been killed and the regime is at a crossroads.

The world is a better, safer place bc of what’s already happened.

What would your definition of success be? And don’t say a complete regime change etc, that’s not up to the U.S. and Israel. All they can do is give them an opening, If things are to change in that regard it will be largely up to the iranian people.

Imo the objective was to limit Iran’s ability to cause destruction beyond its boarders and I think that’s already been highly successful in a very short time. jmo
bbm

that's a question for whoever accused me of wanting it to fail. (posts got deleted, but maybe prairie winds?) but i guessed he/she was talking about regime change, because that was one of the goals trump mentioned, and IMO it's likely to be the purpose behind taking out iran's leadership.

you're suggesting degrading nuclear facilities, missile systems, and their navy. those are all reasonable goals, and i'm sure we've done some of that. you'll understand if i'm a little cautious about believing superlative claims of success, given similar claims were made after the strikes on the nuclear program last year, and if we believe those, there shouldn't have been any program left for us to strike now.

world safer now? that depends on a tally of ALL the effects we've had, not just the good ones. right? degrading their nuclear and conventional capabilities is good. but we may have triggered a broader regional war. and if the regime survives they're likely to be more hostile than before. if it falls, the rise of a liberal democracy in its place is just one possibility among many, and most of the others are bad. without a huge number of boots on ground, we'd have no ability to steer the ensuing power struggle. ... IMO, it's too soon to tell whether we've done more good than harm.

all IMO, etc.
 
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It is possible that they are seeking a reason that will satisfy most US citizens. Typically, the longer a war and killing goes on the less favourable it is. imo


Only 27% of Americans approved of the U.S.-Israeli bombing of Iran, while 43% disapproved, according to a new poll by Reuters/Ipsos conducted over the weekend, before news that six U.S. soldiers have been killed in Iranian retaliatory attacks. And it’s not the only poll.

From the article you posted. "Some 27% of respondents said they approved of the strikes, which were conducted alongside Israeli attacks on Iran, while 43% disapproved and 29% were not sure. "
 
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Killed menie now.
Obvio.But refer to him correctly and not by previous Ayatolla's name. Thats all, I come and go in peace
 
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I wonder if there are Vegas odds right now for this one?
If he's got any sense he's in a bunker 1000ft underneath a mountain for the duration.
 
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I've been watching Al Jezeera all day. They have correspondents everywhere. Think they are the most up to date
 
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Moo...but who gets to choose which religion is right. To me this makes this whole war...kinda weird...moo
Sorry this is about hegseth quotes one above
 
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Except for his own words.
“Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.”

Martin Luther King Jr
March 28, 1968
That quote is about peace. This thread is about a war.


MLK would not support US or IS actions in the past several days.

mOO
 
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Moo...but who gets to choose which religion is right. To me this makes this whole war...kinda weird...moo
Not only which religion but what kind of cultural differences? It is not necessarily the same thing and who are we to judge or compare?
 
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Well, my god certainly does not sanction this war. My reading of the bible does not justify this war.

MOO
Agree. So many people being 'holier than thou'.
What happened to just caring about humanity?

I believe I saw an earlier post where someone said they had the 'support of God' and therefore they were effectively better than other human beings. Yeah, no you're not. You're a terrible human being.

We don't need one religion fighting another (and other sub-religions...I'm looking at you Sunni vs Shia Muslims! And I'm looking at you Southern Baptist vs Catholics!)

Why can't we just be good human beings who recognize that we are sharing this planet. We all just want love and safety for our loved ones. Empathy can go a long way.
 
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I've been watching Al Jezeera all day. They have correspondents everywhere. Think they are the most up to date

Agreed. Interesting that is the website I go to for up to date news, even about the United States. Ironically.
 

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