Is a trafficking ring involved in this case?

Thank GOD! After reading his history as Sheriff, I think we all should breathe a huge sigh of relieve that he can't fark up this investigation like he did so many other things while he was at the helm of MCSO! I mean, protecting a CHILD MOLESTER while he (Giusto) was having sex with that child molester's wife?? Uh uh.


I'm glad that we're finally talking about this. Weeks ago, I'd posted information about this horrible event. For heaven's sake, the abuser, Neil Goldschmidt ,who ruined that girl's life, was Governor of Oregon!

And many knew, including those in powerful positions, and covered up for him. I found that appalling--and the sheriff's part in it beyond disgusting. But when I posted the original information, I was attacked so heavily for being anti-LE that I just dropped it.

I think it's relevant. There's a history there of powerful people, leadership, being involved in sex crimes against children. A history of dirty LE leadership. And a history of the powerful covering things up for their cronies. Crimes like these do *not* happen in a vacuum.

And now there's a scandal about steroid abuse and sales involving multiple officers in jurisdictions around Portland. Including these people:

"The federal investigation already has prompted the resignation of four law enforcement officers who also have lost their police certification -- Deason, Kroeplin, Washington County narcotics dog handler Jared Gochenour and West Linn Officer Jess Riley.

Riley, who formerly worked as a Milwaukie officer, resigned from West Linn on April 9.

The federal inquiry also has led to the questioning of Portland Sgt. Charles Brown, who lives in Canby and whose late father was a retired Canby school superintendent. Portland police have been ordered not to talk about the federal investigation involving Brown. "

Source: http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2010/05/canby_steroid_suppliers_cooper.html

Good grief! A narcotics dog handler, who was out arresting other people for substance abuse and illegal substances! An officer with ties to a school system whose investigation is now federal and can't be talked about??!!

I once spent almost a year on one investigative project (while doing my routine reporting, too, whew.). One thing that I learned is that corruption within the circles of the powerful has a long, long, reach, and signals a culture of entitlement for these self-selected people. They think they have the right to get away with whatever it is.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, something is rotten, not in Denmark, but in Portland. You don't have such problems with sex trafficking, especially of children, as has been repeatedly reported, without an underlying support system. JMO, of course.
 
Thanks again for that post Kat. I just left a message for a Troutdale officer who was on Kyron's case and is no longer, but am hoping he knows the name of the lady out in East County who is the expert in human trafficking.

At first in this case when I heard talk of that I totally poo poo'ed the possibility of it in Kyron's case. No longer. I grew up here in Portland, graduated from HS in '62 and saw everything happen as you have told us. I want to know more about it and hopefully talk to this gal to see what she is doing about the problem.

With the disappointing history Portland has in their leadership going back 50 years I can see where this human trafficking problem has escalated over the years to where it is today. And I don't think the majority of the citizenry has any idea what is really going on here !!!
 
After Sheriff Staton's comments about "things we don't want to know about," I did some research and found this case in Newberg, which is just a suburb to the south west of Portland. This happened just this past fall.

Police arrest four in Newberg 'sex abuse ring':

Graphic details emerge on Newberg 'sex abuse ring'
By KATU.com and News Wires October 7, 2009


These children were held (one 4-years-old) and video tapes made of them being raped, including sex with a dog. Of course the tapes were sold and distributed...
WORSE: Here are the sentences they received:

Alisa Nice was given five months in jail and 5 years probation.

Patricio Moreno was given five years probation and a lifetime on the sex offender registry since he passed a lie detector test where he said he didn’t knoiw the girl was underage and he agreed to testify against Daily.

Garcia entered into a guilty plea...he will testify against the other members of the ring. Prosecutors gave him a cushy sentence in exchange for his testimony. He got 40 days in jail along with 5 years probation along with lifetime status on the sex offender registry.

Darrin V Daily and Robert Dwain Thompson were also charged and not sure of their sentences. Daily supposedly the ring-leader.

I'm thinking Portland authorities have not been diligent even knowing this exists right in thier area. "Things we don't want to know about...things we wish we didn't know about." Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make the children any safer.

Just sayin'

First, the sentences for these people is shocking. Oregon needs better laws ...now.

Second, I do believe TH handed him off to an SO, so I guess anything's possible. However, I need to point out that Newberg is about 45 minutes away from Portland. Not sayin' we don't have issues, but I've never heard of a sex trafficking ring around here. Again, doesn't mean it doesn't exist and it could be exactly what she did.

I do think she took pics of kids, her own and/or others, and sold them online. It could be Kyron was going to tell his mom and she nipped that right in the bud. Now, the problem with the 'he knew and was going to tell theory' is that I feel he was very very close to his dad and would have told him, but maybe he was afraid? I don't know.

That horrible story of Christopher (Brown is it)? He was being molested by his stepmother's brother (or boyfriend) but didn't tell his mom - and was poisoned and thrown in a river.
 
I do think she took pics of kids, her own and/or others, and sold them online. It could be Kyron was going to tell his mom and she nipped that right in the bud. Now, the problem with the 'he knew and was going to tell theory' is that I feel he was very very close to his dad and would have told him, but maybe he was afraid? I don't know.

If Terri took inappropriate photos of her children (and/or others) and sold them online why hasn't she been arrested? Wouldn't they be on her computer? I can't believe LE would give up a chance to throw her in jail for her to get a taste of what it's like and to give it up, yet they haven't.

The only thing I can think of is if they did find inappropriate photos of the children on the computer is that they couldn't rule out Kaine since he would have used the computer also and therefore couldn't prove it was Terri.

Also, in no way do I think what Desiree was disgusted with was that she found out Terri had taken inappropriate pictures of HER child (or any child). No way, not a chance. She wasn't disgusted or angry enough for something like that! Desiree's disgust IMO was less personal as if disgusted by the vivid sex texts and sex talk.
 
I could have sworn that Desiree was talking about Terri's emails that had been published. I assumed she was talking about the one with the seizure symptoms.

I'm trying to remember which interview it was that she talked about the emails to review the context. If anybody can point me to timeframe or news outlet or something else in the interview that will nudge my memory so I can locate it, I'd appreciate it.

TIA

ETA: I haven't found the interview video, but I'm narrowing it down to the Aug 27 timeframe, and KGW, per posts like this one discussing Desiree being asked about Terri's emails. Will post the link when I find the video.
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5560952&postcount=7"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 8/27: KGW-TV Interview with Desiree and Kaine[/ame]
 
I will say this...I had NO IDEA IN THE WORLD that Portland had so much of this going on. It is enough for me to sway in my position and wonder for the first time if a trafficking ring or some other type of sex ring was involved. I thought of it vaguely when I read the Astro threads and noted the definite sex element to this case (if you haven't read the Kyron Astro threads, they are a must), but it was just a fleeting thought. Now knowing that it's a very real possibility has me rethinking a few things about this case and also very scared for Kyron :(
 
I could have sworn that Desiree was talking about Terri's emails that had been published. I assumed she was talking about the one with the seizure symptoms.

I'm trying to remember which interview it was that she talked about the emails to review the context. If anybody can point me to timeframe or news outlet or something else in the interview that will nudge my memory so I can locate it, I'd appreciate it.

TIA

ETA: I haven't found the interview video, but I'm narrowing it down to the Aug 27 timeframe, and KGW, per posts like this one discussing Desiree being asked about Terri's emails. Will post the link when I find the video.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 8/27: KGW-TV Interview with Desiree and Kaine

Or the seizure information. Fine. But not disgust about inappropriate pictures of children.
 
If Terri took inappropriate photos of her children (and/or others) and sold them online why hasn't she been arrested? Wouldn't they be on her computer? I can't believe LE would give up a chance to throw her in jail for her to get a taste of what it's like and to give it up, yet they haven't.

The only thing I can think of is if they did find inappropriate photos of the children on the computer is that they couldn't rule out Kaine since he would have used the computer also and therefore couldn't prove it was Terri.

Also, in no way do I think what Desiree was disgusted with was that she found out Terri had taken inappropriate pictures of HER child (or any child). No way, not a chance. She wasn't disgusted or angry enough for something like that! Desiree's disgust IMO was less personal as if disgusted by the vivid sex texts and sex talk.
You raise three good points. In regard to the first two, if child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 of any kind was found on Terri's computer, she would've been arrested. That doesn't rule out the possibility of her involvement in internet 🤬🤬🤬🤬, though. She might've been clever enough to use another computer, most likely a laptop, which she destroyed when she disappeared Kyron. Or, the images were never on her computer. Either she transferred them to a third party from her camera's memory disc, or the third party was the photographer. LE might have reason to suspect child 🤬🤬🤬🤬, but no material evidence that ties it directly to Terri.

With no evidence found in the Korman home, what reason would LE have to suspect internet 🤬🤬🤬🤬, or child trafficking for that matter? What would point them in that direction? (Note: I am not suggesting that either of the two are facts in this case. Just noodling.)

Through the national Victim Identification Program, federal law enforcement agencies share information with state and local LE officials through a database, or databases, containing images of child sex crime victims in pornographic material confiscated from offenders. It's just a wild guess, but I've wondered if an investigation of a tip led to the finding of Kyron's image among the recovered material.

Your second point is that Kaine would've also been arrested, which raises another interesting question. What happens when child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 is found on a computer in a home where two or more adults reside? In most cases we hear of a single individual being arrested, but surely they don't all live alone. What criteria does LE apply in these cases? I don't know the answer, but it's a good question to research.

As for the third point, I didn't get the impression, either, that Desiree was talking about anything as severe as child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 or any other form of sexual abuse.

ETA: This GAO study on ways to improve the coordination of efforts among LE agencies to fight child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 is very informative.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03272.pdf
 
You raise three good points. In regard to the first two, if child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 of any kind was found on Terri's computer, she would've been arrested. That doesn't rule out the possibility of her involvement in internet 🤬🤬🤬🤬, though. She might've been clever enough to use another computer, most likely a laptop, which she destroyed when she disappeared Kyron. Or, the images were never on her computer. Either she transferred them to a third party from her camera's memory disc, or the third party was the photographer. LE might have reason to suspect child 🤬🤬🤬🤬, but no material evidence that ties it directly to Terri.

With no evidence found in the Korman home, what reason would LE have to suspect internet 🤬🤬🤬🤬, or child trafficking for that matter? What would point them in that direction? (Note: I am not suggesting that either of the two are facts in this case. Just noodling.)

Through the national Victim Identification Program, federal law enforcement agencies share information with state and local LE officials through a database, or databases, containing images of child sex crime victims in pornographic material confiscated from offenders. It's just a wild guess, but I've wondered if an investigation of a tip led to the finding of Kyron's image among the recovered material.

Your second point is that Kaine would've also been arrested, which raises another interesting question. What happens when child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 is found on a computer in a home where two or more adults reside? In most cases we hear of a single individual being arrested, but surely they don't all live alone. What criteria does LE apply in these cases? I don't know the answer, but it's a good question to research.

As for the third point, I didn't get the impression, either, that Desiree was talking about anything as severe as child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 or any other form of sexual abuse.

ETA: This GAO study on ways to improve the coordination of efforts among LE agencies to fight child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 is very informative.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03272.pdf

Wow, you're good! Thanks for the very informative info. Just FYI, my thoughts that there was something sexual/pornographic come from gut instincts, the sexting and the 'disturbing' information LE has (not anything DY has said - in fact I think if she knew there were photos somewhere of Kyron she would have hinted at that - but not sure about anything really - just guesstimating!)

I was assuming TH - if she had 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 - deleted any signs of it from her computer, used a flash card, etc. In fact, my assumption was maybe she took a picture of Kyron, baby or whoever in a bath, or in another 'innocent' situation but LE then finds these types of photos on a child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 site and they go, okay how did that get there?

If they look at her computer and there is a trace of those photos hidden on her hard drive, she could say someone hacked her computer, spyware, she never did a thing with that photo, etc etc. If the photos are more explicit, then they still have the issue of crediting them to her -- but I doubt she did that on a computer they have possession of.

The whole thing is interesting and creepy and quite honestly if nothing more comes of this than an awareness for all of us and TH has absolutely nothing to do with anything like this - we still have now become aware of the issue.

And to whoever mentioned the Astro thread, yeah I read that thread soon after he went missing that mentioned sexual connotations and was like naahhhhh, yet here we all are.
 
Wow, you're good! Thanks for the very informative info. Just FYI, my thoughts that there was something sexual/pornographic come from gut instincts, the sexting and the 'disturbing' information LE has (not anything DY has said - in fact I think if she knew there were photos somewhere of Kyron she would have hinted at that - but not sure about anything really - just guesstimating!)

I was assuming TH - if she had 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 - deleted any signs of it from her computer, used a flash card, etc. In fact, my assumption was maybe she took a picture of Kyron, baby or whoever in a bath, or in another 'innocent' situation but LE then finds these types of photos on a child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 site and they go, okay how did that get there?

If they look at her computer and there is a trace of those photos hidden on her hard drive, she could say someone hacked her computer, spyware, she never did a thing with that photo, etc etc. If the photos are more explicit, then they still have the issue of crediting them to her -- but I doubt she did that on a computer they have possession of.

The whole thing is interesting and creepy and quite honestly if nothing more comes of this than an awareness for all of us and TH has absolutely nothing to do with anything like this - we still have now become aware of the issue.

And to whoever mentioned the Astro thread, yeah I read that thread soon after he went missing that mentioned sexual connotations and was like naahhhhh, yet here we all are.
This is so true. The reason I spend so much time here at WS is because I'm a mystery addict and a puzzle junkie. The benefit of all that curiosity is the information I glean from researching the many various questions raised in pondering different cases.
 
This may have already been posted but World News Tonight is doing a story on this in Portland tonight.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/child-sex-trade-portland-ore-world-news-conversation/story?id=11698531

This is definitely a huge problem here that involves young teenage girls being lured, coerced, forced into prostitution. I think it's a big problem all over (Demi Moore trying to raise awareness) and it seems especially big here in Portland. But I don't get the feeling that this has anything at all to do with Kyron. ?? But who knows?
 
If this were even a possibility, if LE even gave them a reason to make this assumption, Kyron's parents are sure reacting well to the news. Their interviews always exude confidence that he is alive and WELL. They brush off any notion of "the dark stuff" as Kaine calls it.

I can't imagine it. Not at all. Nope nope nope.
 
Tonight I am thinking of Shaniya Davis and what her own mother did to her.
Could be as simple as TH gave KYRON away...........and now has no idea what happened to him........and could care less.
 
If this were even a possibility, if LE even gave them a reason to make this assumption, Kyron's parents are sure reacting well to the news. Their interviews always exude confidence that he is alive and WELL. They brush off any notion of "the dark stuff" as Kaine calls it.
I can't imagine it. Not at all. Nope nope nope.

I know that's absolutely true, but I also know they have to keep an investigation intact, the hopes of these poor parents alive, and that may include not revealing any sordid details about his whereabouts/circumstances until they are 100% sure and/or ready to make an arrest. The way DY and KH have come out in the media with info, I'm not confident they would tell them - unless they had to - that they suspect Kyron is a victim of sexual assault.
 
Not so odd, considering that Dan Rather has done an award winning report on the sex trade issue in Portland in the past year. It's becoming a huge story. I just don't see a sheriff using the word "surprised" to describe Kyron's case if it relates to his being a victim in this crapola.

OH, I can see it very well, and I'm so glad I live thousands of miles away.

http://blog.operation-nation.com/20...eatened-prosecution-if-woman-sued-police.aspx

There are several other articles out there.

Did I say I'm glad I don't live anywhere near this area?

When LE has so much power, possibly, remember possibly, vested in one area, I believe we, the unimpowered people, can expect just about anything.

Did I say "maybe" in this case? I meant to say "maybe".

My opinion only
 

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