Is Terri's arrest imminent?

[Sylvannah]

How is she obstructing justice ?

I don't know. But, Kaine is using the word obstruction so he knows, and that's an odd word to use in that context so I'm thinking it's being bandied about to appear in his current verbal vernacular.

I can speculate that it has something to do with her whereabouts/timeline the morning Kyron went missing, or that perhaps an item was noticed missing from their home, like a lg picnic cooler or something else mundane of a good size that could be misused for something and she won't tell what she did with it.

Her not telling her whereabouts is obstructing the investigation.

Them leaving her out of jail hasn't led to her inadvertently leading them to Kyron, which was probably hoped for.

They've stripped her of her child, her reputation, her capacity for earning a living utilizing her college degree, and now her home and still she hasn't cracked.

LE isn't going to stop! Her lawyer kept her from having to go in front of the judge thusfar but she'll have to - I think - if they bring more serious charges.
I don't thnk they're going to leave it alone now that she's moved away. They're going to continue hammering away until they find Kyron.

So, Kaine saying obstruction is the key to that. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think Kaine had to get the word "obstruction" from LE. It has been used here plenty of times. And it does LE very little good to arrest her on that type of charge.

I am just having a hard time figuring out what the charge will be if they do not find Kyron. Unless they have iron-clad proof she left with him, I don't know how they can prove she did anything at all except frustrate the investigators and the other parents with her behavior. And the fact that they are reinterviewing, etc. leads me to believe they do not have solid evidence of Terri leaving with Kyron. So what charge would put her under arrest that would be one she could not bond out on?

 

[Calliope]

I don't know. But, Kaine is using the word obstruction so he knows, and that's an odd word to use in that context so I'm thinking it's being bandied about to appear in his current verbal vernacular.

I can speculate that it has something to do with her whereabouts/timeline the morning Kyron went missing, or that perhaps an item was noticed missing from their home, like a lg picnic cooler or something else mundane of a good size that could be misused for something and she won't tell what she did with it.

Her not telling her whereabouts is obstructing the investigation.

Them leaving her out of jail hasn't led to her inadvertently leading them to Kyron, which was probably hoped for.

They've stripped her of her child, her reputation, her capacity for earning a living utilizing her college degree, and now her home and still she hasn't cracked.

LE isn't going to stop! Her lawyer kept her from having to go in front of the judge thusfar but she'll have to - I think - if they bring more serious charges.
I don't thnk they're going to leave it alone now that she's moved away. They're going to continue hammering away until they find Kyron.

So, Kaine saying obstruction is the key to that. JMO

She doesn't have to say anything to LE. That's not obstruction.

 

[pinkpuddytat]

If Terri is arrested, I hope that LE has enough evidence to convict her, I believe that she has disposed of Kyron in an unlikely and unsearchable area. No way will she confess, and she knows that if she keeps her mouth shut, she has an excellent chance of getting away with murder. Diabolical and despicable!

I think it's possible they already have plenty of evidence to arrest her, and probably get a conviction, but are waiting to amass more evidence in order to avoid a trial. If they have overwhelming evidence, her lawyer will advise her to plead guilty in exchange for something less than the maximum possible sentence. A trial would cause a lot of misery for people who have already been through a lot. Kaine, who is dealing with the loss of his son and becoming a single parent to Baby K. Desiree, who's probably desperately wishing she'd fought for primary custody of Kyron as soon as her health permitted. Terri's 16 year old son J, who's been tossed from home to home way too many times in his young life, and is currently with his biological father, who is not his legal father (legal and child-support-paying father is Terri's ex-husband, who adopted J while they were married). Avoiding a trial would be a very worthwhile goal of LE's investigative process.

 

[human]

1. Leaving the country. Where would she go and what would she use for money?

Other countries have rules about who can stay and for how long.

I am familiar with some. You need a visa if you are staying for longer than 30 days in some, 90 in others.

Then if you want a job, you need a work permit.

These types of things involve going to a consulate in the US of the country that you are going to.

So what would she do for money in a foreign country?

Depending on the country, you have to have a return ticket within the allotted time.

Depending on the country, if you are not on your flight, officials come looking for you.

In order to get a visa, you need to have proof of financial stability, medical insurance to cover any issues, a statement from local LE testifying to you character.

Of course, I don't know about every country in the world. So there may be some that are much easier to go to.

But other countries do not want a person to become a liability to them. that is why they ask for health insurance and bank records as well as LE verification.

Plus, they want to provide jobs for their citizens, not someone who may not have skills that a particular country does not need.

I am sure doctors and other medical personal are welcome most places. But not without a visa and a work permit, which cost money to get as well.

 

[cluciano63]

I think it's possible they already have plenty of evidence to arrest her, and probably get a conviction, but are waiting to amass more evidence in order to avoid a trial. If they have overwhelming evidence, her lawyer will advise her to plead guilty in exchange for something less than the maximum possible sentence. A trial would cause a lot of misery for people who have already been through a lot. Kaine, who is dealing with the loss of his son and becoming a single parent to Baby K. Desiree, who's probably desperately wishing she'd fought for primary custody of Kyron as soon as her health permitted. Terri's 16 year old son J, who's been tossed from home to home way too many times in his young life, and is currently with his biological father, who is not his legal father (legal and child-support-paying father is Terri's ex-husband, who adopted J while they were married). Avoiding a trial would be a very worthwhile goal of LE's investigative process.

Arrest and convict on what charge? This is where I am stuck. It is too soon for a charge of murder, if Kyron is not found.

 

[Sylvannah]

She doesn't have to say anything to LE. That's not obstruction.

Lying to investigators is. She's already talked to them. One lie and they can arrest her at their leisure for it, when it suits their investigation.

 

[pinkpuddytat]

Due process. No citizen can be deprived of their rights without at least being arrested. The US is not a country that routinely requires citizens to register their movements with the government.

No, but you can be sure LE has Terri under close surveillance, and if they see her making a move to leave the area, never mind the country, they can turn her into an official suspect and arrest her in a matter of minutes.

 

[cluciano63]

Lying to investigators is. She's already talked to them. One lie and they can arrest her at their leisure for it, when it suits their investigation.

That is not something that she would be held without bond for, as far as I know. So not sure it would suit their purposes, plus they would have to try her on that within 60 days in Oregon.

 

[Kat]

Lying to investigators is. She's already talked to them. One lie and they can arrest her at their leisure for it, when it suits their investigation.

Lying to LE isn't a crime. Only if they have evidence that she knowingly lied to them and can prove beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law that she knowingly and willfully lied to obstruct an investigation can she be charged with that crime. But, the investigation is about a missing child at this point in time and if they find Kyron and IMHO he is deceased then I'm not sure they would charge her with obstruction. IMHO that would be the least of the charges they would bring forth against her.

Lying to LE might not be a crime but lying to the FBI is...that can get you in a whole barrel of monkey's kind of trouble. JMHO.

 

[RubyRed]

Lying to LE isn't a crime. Only if they have evidence that she knowingly lied to them and can prove beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law that she knowingly and willfully lied to obstruct an investigation can she be charged with that crime. But, the investigation is about a missing child at this point in time and if they find Kyron and IMHO he is deceased then I'm not sure they would charge her with obstruction. IMHO that would be the least of the charges they would bring forth against her.

Lying to LE might not be a crime but lying to the FBI is...that can get you in a whole barrel of monkey's kind of trouble. JMHO.

bbm

I would say it is a crime. Providing false information or obstruction of justice. JMO

 

[MD MOMMY]

bbm

I would say it is a crime. Providing false information or obstruction of justice. JMO

well Casey was charged with providing false statements to a police officer right?

 

[Kat]

I think this would be a great question for our pro's that are familiar with Oregon statutes.

I can't interpret the statute's within that state but I had a look at some of them and I'm not seeing, given how the statutes are written that they could bring charges against her?

You want me to go ask Ruby or do you want to post the Q? Because I'm very curious to know how this works in Oregon.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Lying to LE has several bad, bad consequences. First, LE starts to wonder why the person is lying--and there's never a good answer to that because most people lie when they can't tolerate the consequences of the truth. Then, once the lies have put the person on LE's radar screen, LE starts to dig into other areas they might not have thought about before (i.e., "What ELSE are you hiding, covering up, lying about??"). Finally, the prosecutor can roast the person (now defendent) slowly over the fire, recounting lie after lie, so that the jury wouldn't believe him or her if 10 holy angels backed up the testimony. Casey Anthony, after all, is despised not just because she killed her precious child, but because she lied to continue her party life without Cayley, because her lies led LE and the community on an excruciating search for Cayley, and because with the truth absolutely evident even to the squirrels in the trees, she has never stopped lying. She, like Susan Smith, is the poster girl for murderous mothers, not just because she killed her child, but because her lies did so much damage to the community who cared more about her child than she did.

The political equivalent: the cover-up is always worse than the crime. For example, if Casey had worked out a plea deal, confessed to killing Cayley, told where to find the body, she was still looking at life in prison but she might have had a chance at parole in her old age and her family wouldn't be utterly destroyed financially and emotionally. If TH's lies are not related to Kyron's disappearance, they are destroying her life anyway. If they are, she's lying herself into a small "club" of women who told themselves the biggest lie of all--that they could fool LE, their families, and the community.

 

[cluciano63]

While I think we all agree that lying to police or obstructing justice is a bad thing, I am not getting the impression that LE is eager to charge Terri with a lesser crime to get her behind bars for a few days, until she is bailed out, and then within 60 days, have to be prepared to take her case to trial. If they are not ready to charge her with the real deal, they would have to reveal a lot of information they may not be ready to reveal.

 

[GrainneDhu]

1. Leaving the country. Where would she go and what would she use for money?

Other countries have rules about who can stay and for how long.

I am familiar with some. You need a visa if you are staying for longer than 30 days in some, 90 in others.

Then if you want a job, you need a work permit.

These types of things involve going to a consulate in the US of the country that you are going to.

So what would she do for money in a foreign country?

Depending on the country, you have to have a return ticket within the allotted time.

Depending on the country, if you are not on your flight, officials come looking for you.

In order to get a visa, you need to have proof of financial stability, medical insurance to cover any issues, a statement from local LE testifying to you character.

Of course, I don't know about every country in the world. So there may be some that are much easier to go to.

But other countries do not want a person to become a liability to them. that is why they ask for health insurance and bank records as well as LE verification.

Plus, they want to provide jobs for their citizens, not someone who may not have skills that a particular country does not need.

I am sure doctors and other medical personal are welcome most places. But not without a visa and a work permit, which cost money to get as well.

She could easily go to Thailand, Vietnam, South Korea, Cambodia, even China as a teacher. She has actual teaching credentials and she is a native English speaker, a potent one-two whammy in most of Asia, where almost everyone wants their children to speak fluent English.

If she doesn't speak Thai, Vietnamese or whatever, that is actually regarded as a bonus by employers because it guarantees that she will not waste any time teaching in the native language. Parents want their children to learn as close to unaccented or a regional accent of English as they can.

Potent enough that a work visa, even under the current circumstances, would probably not be a problem.

And the money is good. Very good.

I looked into this once upon a time since I hold multiple citizenships. Even if I were only a US citizen, the requirements were easy to meet.

Conditions have undoubtedly changed in many of the countries but some things never really change, if you see what I mean.

 

[Caligram]

I think it's fairly clear that there was no other person that could have whisked Kyron out of that school unnoticed. Terri would not have called attention to herself. She could have casually stood in the hallway to make sure that nobody was lingering around that exit door. Kyron was probably in a high state of excitement over the vacation-like atmosphere of that school day. To add to his joy was the anticipation of going to his mom's for the weekend. Terri would have been inwardly fuming over that ungrateful boy, and anxious to carry out her plan. It was so easy to get Kyron out of that building, any excuse would have probably done it, and I don't think Kyron would have disobeyed Terri. It is too bad that there were no video cameras that could have shown Terri drive off with Kyron. Had there been, she would have found another way to carry out her plan. I hope that somewhere she slipped up, and that there is enough evidence for an arrest and trial. I think that we will probably learn more sordid details about Terri that were part of her secret past.

 

[Bathbuddys]

Casey went to jail charged with child welfare offenses, they had a lot of evidence that she did something to Caylee.

NO they HAD NO EVIDENCE at that point, she lied to police and that is why was arrested the first time. She took them on a wild goose chase...
Her mother and brother and the car was proof that she was lying.

 

[Bathbuddys]

Due process. No citizen can be deprived of their rights without at least being arrested. The US is not a country that routinely requires citizens to register their movements with the government.

well they didnt arrest Scott Peterson either did they? but they sure did when he got close to that border!

 

[TxLady2]

Casey went to jail the first time for less.....just sayin

True. But I think LE in that case were 99.9% positive she was the guilty one, and had killed Caylee. She was not charged, though, until Caylee was found, correct? (I'm not positive on that, sorry.)