Is Terri's arrest imminent?

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I think TH will be in fact indicted. She may be hateful & stubborn,but no-one commits the perfect crime. It is amazing how diligent the LE can be, and with the determination of Kyron's real , loving parents ,this will be solved. TH was the last person to see Kyron,that's a fact. It breaks my heart that children can be exposed to such evil,but Kyron lived a happy life for 7 yrs. God take him into his loving arms , there will be no more tears in heaven:angel:
On the other hand his abductor & assistants will be religated to the hottest places in hell!
 
  • #243
No. Her arrest is not imminent, IMO.

Why?

Because the DA doesn't have enough evidence yet to tie TMH to Kyron's disappearance. And until or unless they are able to ascertain whether Kyron is alive or not, what exactly would they charge her with? Suspicion isn't enough. Gotta have proof to show a crime was committed, the person committed the crime, and evidence to link the person to the crime. And all of that has to be provable to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt before any DA is going to agree to an arrest.

Unless someone who has info spills what they know, or TMH confesses, and/or LE gets some corroborating evidence, or they find Kyron, I doubt there will be an arrest anytime soon.
 
  • #244
TH was the last person to see Kyron,that's a fact.

Actually, the fact is that TH is the last *known* person to have seen Kyron alive. This accounts for the possibility that an unknown person may be the last person to have seen Kyron, whether he is still with us or not.
 
  • #245
No. Her arrest is not imminent, IMO.

Why?

Because the DA doesn't have enough evidence yet to tie TMH to Kyron's disappearance. And until or unless they are able to ascertain whether Kyron is alive or not, what exactly would they charge her with? Suspicion isn't enough. Gotta have proof to show a crime was committed, the person committed the crime, and evidence to link the person to the crime. And all of that has to be provable to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt before any DA is going to agree to an arrest.

Unless someone who has info spills what they know, or TMH confesses, and/or LE gets some corroborating evidence, or they find Kyron, I doubt there will be an arrest anytime soon.

I agree, for the most part. Except for the last sentence. The evidence only has to be enough to get an indictment. IOW, the GJ's job is to decide if there is enough to charge them with the crime. Reasonable doubt doesn't come in to play until the trial.

LE could have a lot more evidence than we are aware of, though. Witnesses who saw Kyron with Terri after she left the school, maybe students who saw him leave with her, and who have been instructed not to go on t.v. They could have found some kind of article of clothing or his glasses... and that kind of thing would be protected from the media and the public, I'm sure.
There could be lots of things LE knows that not even Kaine and Desiree know about.
 
  • #246
>Reasonable doubt doesn't come in to play until the trial.

It does for the DA's office. That's something they have to consider right from the beginning.

A DA who doesn't believe he can win a case in court, with 12 jurors, is probably not going to feel comfortable asking the GJ for an indictment. In the end it's up to the DA's office to determine the case, and how likely they think they can prove that case to a jury. Most DAs want to have some level of confidence that tthey'll get a conviction, before they proceed. Some DAs take more risks than others, of course.
 
  • #247
Can someone help me with a loose end I still have in my mind? I still recall Terri's dad saying he thought Terri might be arrested for "child endangerment." I think it was around the same time as the 911 call that was later described as a "custodial issue" and another that was described as a "threat." Thinking about the Grand Jury meeting and a possible indictment, I am wondering if we ever came up with an explanations for these statements.
 
  • #248
how can they prove the MFH plot? Isn't it basically he said versus she said?
 
  • #249
I'm not so convinced that she will be arrested on the MFH issue. I believe that the "unsuccessful sting" - if true as it has been reported goes against LE having solid evidence on that issue. Course there could be additional facts that are not public at this point.

The DA is going to want to have solid evidence to prosecute. A DA would not want to go to trial, lose the verdict and thus put the accused into double jeopardy.
 
  • #250
I am okay with LE not arresting TH because if she had something to do with Kyron's disappearance, as long as she's out, she may still slip up and provide some clue as to what happened to him.

She sure isn't going anywhere.
 
  • #251
Can someone help me with a loose end I still have in my mind? I still recall Terri's dad saying he thought Terri might be arrested for "child endangerment." I think it was around the same time as the 911 call that was later described as a "custodial issue" and another that was described as a "threat." Thinking about the Grand Jury meeting and a possible indictment, I am wondering if we ever came up with an explanations for these statements.

The threat was the failed sting with the landscaper, the custodial issue was KH and K being missing, Her father's comment? Good question.
 
  • #252
Thank you so much for the information. I know people get impatient especially when a child is missing, but there are probably things going on right now that we don't know about. I think this one will be solved eventually, but it may be a long haul.

I am sure there are many things going on behind the scenes we are unaware of now. And for good reason we cannot know.
There will be an indictment on this case. Not sure how long but I am sure they have plenty of people that will have to appear for the GJ.
Employees and witnesses at the school the day of June 3rd and 4th.
There are alot more people to call besides TH friends.

jmho
 
  • #253
I am hoping that if they determine that Terri or someone else is the culprit, given that Kyron is a child and could not have left on his own to start a new life, that a case might be made for murder (if there is at least some testimony from someone she confessed to, for example) that might not hold up in a case with an adult.

But I do think they will need something solid-I am sure that the police in Florida know that Haleigh is dead and they pretty much know it is one of 4-6 people, but they have not been able to move forward at all. So we could be looking at the same situation here. As it is now, unless there is more we don't know, I don't see any probable cause to charge Terri.

I'm thinking that it wouldn't even need to be "confessed" to, that it might be a someone or her friends that she told prior how much she wished Kyron lived with his bio mom full time, or maybe that she disliked having to care for him or didn't have time for his cr@p now because of the baby. Something along those lines. If this was said, getting the friends to talk will be the trick. But if anything negative was said about Kyron along those lines, that lays a track for history and possible motive.
 
  • #254
I don't think she hated Kyron as much as she hated having Desiree in her life. Desiree's behavior over the last two months really shows how vindictive and accusing she is of TH. While she might have "just cause" to do so now, she's much more over the top than a lot of other situations I have seen. I could TH wanting Desiree out of her life forever. Perhaps the MFH plot was just fishing for someone to take out Desiree.
 
  • #255
I don't think she hated Kyron as much as she hated having Desiree in her life. Desiree's behavior over the last two months really shows how vindictive and accusing she is of TH. While she might have "just cause" to do so now, she's much more over the top than a lot of other situations I have seen. I could TH wanting Desiree out of her life forever. Perhaps the MFH plot was just fishing for someone to take out Desiree.

It's clear that there's no love lost between Desiree and Terri, especially from Desiree's point of view, and perhaps with good reason; however, I believe Terri wanted Desiree's approval and perhaps her friendship, hence Terri tagging Desiree on Kyron's Facebook photos, her frequent and lengthy e-mail correspondence, etc. Admittedly, I have a different opinion of Terri than most.
 
  • #256
I don't think she hated Kyron as much as she hated having Desiree in her life. Desiree's behavior over the last two months really shows how vindictive and accusing she is of TH. While she might have "just cause" to do so now, she's much more over the top than a lot of other situations I have seen. I could TH wanting Desiree out of her life forever. Perhaps the MFH plot was just fishing for someone to take out Desiree.

Desiree is vindictive and accusing towards Terri...seriously??? I think many people would greatly disagree of what they would do given the situation if they were Desiree! You do realize the LS said he was asked to take-out Kaine only, why would...never mind fishing for someone to take-out Desiree make no sense to me in anyway, nor did the LS indicate that was his assumption.
 
  • #257
It's clear that there's no love lost between Desiree and Terri, especially from Desiree's point of view, and perhaps with good reason; however, I believe Terri wanted Desiree's approval and perhaps her friendship, hence Terri tagging Desiree on Kyron's Facebook photos, her frequent and lengthy e-mail correspondence, etc. Admittedly, I have a different opinion of Terri than most.

The dynamics of this blended bunch is crazy, and exhausting to contemplate. I often compare it to some of the other case 'personalities' we've followed, most recently Casey Anthony and her friends. They had youth as an excuse, these people do not. Its difficult for me to commit in this case. I need to see Terri speak, need more background info on everyone and I absolutely need 'Bruno Mahli shoes' before I can make up my mind on what is going on.

Several times the phrase "thick as thieves" popped into my head watching Desiree and Kaine, but I dont know if I trust myself on this gut instinct.
 
  • #258
The dynamics of this blended bunch is crazy, and exhausting to contemplate. I often compare it to some of the other case 'personalities' we've followed, most recently Casey Anthony and her friends. They had youth as an excuse, these people do not. Its difficult for me to commit in this case. I need to see Terri speak, need more background info on everyone and I absolutely need 'Bruno Mahli shoes' before I can make up my mind on what is going on.

Several times the phrase "thick as thieves" popped into my head watching Desiree and Kaine, but I dont know if I trust myself on this gut instinct.

That phrase seems better suited for TH & DS...jmo.
 

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