Is the fact that Terri hasn't been arrested indicative of lack of evidence?

[Calliope]

Let's just hope they're focusing in the right direction.

 

[Jo in Calif]

Let's just hope they're focusing in the right direction.

IMO they are focusing in the direction of the evidence they have.

 

[gardeness]

Let's just hope they're focusing in the right direction.

Yes. I hope this search is based on something more concrete than whatever "tip" made them search DeDe's place of employment...

 

[Tink56]

Yes. I hope this search is based on something more concrete than whatever "tip" made them search DeDe's place of employment...

Wasn't DD's place of employment searched because her employer informed LE that she couldn't find DD for a protracted length of time?

 

[Dee10]

IMO the evidence is driving them in the direction they are going and I have absolutely no reason to think otherwise. No matter what we think, we all want justice for Kyron and that is what keeps us here, day after day.

 

[gardeness]

Wasn't DD's place of employment searched because her employer informed LE that she couldn't find DD for a protracted length of time?

I won't go into my speculation of why this accusation ever occurred, as it would be off-topic--but, back to the point I was making, absolutely nothing came of the search at DeDe's place of employment and I hope that something comes of this search.

 

[gwenabob]

I won't go into my speculation of why this accusation ever occurred, as it would be off-topic--but, back to the point I was making, absolutely nothing came of the search at DeDe's place of employment and I hope that something comes of this search.

We have no idea if anything came from that search. This is not Florida. LE doesn't have to tell us what they find.

 

[gardeness]

We have no idea if anything came from that search. This is not Florida. LE doesn't have to tell us what they find.

I respectfully disagree. We do have an idea that nothing came from that search, as they are searching a completely different area now.

 

[gwenabob]

I respectfully disagree. We do have an idea that nothing came from that search, as they are searching a completely different area now.

Well if you mean find Kyron's body, then no. It appears that did not happen. However, that does NOT mean NOTHING came from the search. They could have found other clues. We just don't know.

 

[gardeness]

Well if you mean find Kyron's body, then no. It appears that did not happen. However, that does NOT mean NOTHING came from the search. They could have found other clues. We just don't know.

We can disagree. I feel confident that if anything came out of the search of DeDe's place of employment, we would have heard something--it wouldn't have to come from LE, obviously...

 

[gwenabob]

We can disagree. I feel confident that if anything came out of the search of DeDe's place of employment, we would have heard something--it wouldn't have to come from LE, obviously...

Don't be so sure. I bet we don't know the vast majority of what LE has learned so far.

 

[Jo in Calif]

IMO the fact that Terri hasn't been arrested is indicative of the lack of Kyron, one way or the other.
LE has been telling us all along their main focus is to bring Kyron home. They have also told us that this case will be prosecuted. Kaine also asked us to be patient and at this point, that's what we have to do.

 

[Michael25]

When asked whether people would be shocked when this case comes to its conclusion Staton said, “I think that there will be things that come out of this investigation that will surprise you. That you’ll think about later on after it’s over. These are things I will tell you, when you ask me about the stresses that my staff is under and the other detectives and agency representatives are under, is that we have a knowledge of things that we don’t want to know about. ... "We have knowledge of things we wished we didn't."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/103005759.html

IMO, this quote should be a permanent fixture for anyone who has been following Kyron's disappearance closely. It should be the context for which you base anything that comes afterward.

 

[cypress]

When asked whether people would be shocked when this case comes to its conclusion Staton said, “I think that there will be things that come out of this investigation that will surprise you. That you’ll think about later on after it’s over. These are things I will tell you, when you ask me about the stresses that my staff is under and the other detectives and agency representatives are under, is that we have a knowledge of things that we don’t want to know about. ... "We have knowledge of things we wished we didn't."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/103005759.html

IMO, this quote should be a permanent fixture for anyone who has been following Kyron's disappearance closely. It should be the context for which you base anything that comes afterward.

BBM

Why? There's no context for his statements. They're vaguely insidious.

 

[gwenabob]

BBM

Why? There's no context for his statements. They're vaguely insidious.

Vaguely insidious? Could you explain what you mean by that? I don't see anything insidious about his statements.

 

[cypress]

Vaguely insidious? Could you explain what you mean by that? I don't see anything insidious about his statements.

Sure, I will explain. LE and others throw out vague comments meant to rile the masses and support their POV, but they don't back it up with evidence. IMHO, they need to put up or shut up. Either arrest Terri, bring Terri's ham sandwich before the grand jury and indict it, provide evidence for statements, or stop with vague and meaningless comments. The innuendo and salacious inferences aren't helping find Kyron. It can't be about Kyron if so many people are making about everything but him.

 

[JBean]

Sure, I will explain. LE and others throw out vague comments meant to rile the masses and support their POV, but they don't back it up with evidence. IMHO, they need to put up or shut up. Either arrest Terri, bring Terri's ham sandwich before the grand jury and indict it, provide evidence for statements, or stop with vague and meaningless comments. The innuendo and salacious inferences aren't helping find Kyron. It can't be about Kyron if so many people are making about everything but him.

I agree that these were unusual statements and I hope that once brought into context they will make sense;not only as to what they mean but why he said them at that time.
However I don't know how they "rile the masses and support their POV" because I don't really have any idea what his POV is, nor do these statements give me any insight into it. I imagine he was just trying to somehow convey that this was a difficult investigation all the way around with any releasing details that we are not able to know right now. But of course that is impossible to do without revealing information so it came off sounding unusual to me as well.

Additionally, contrary to urban legend grand juries in Oregon don't actually indict ham sandwiches.
Here is a link:
Q--I have heard that "A grand jury can indict a ham sandwich if it wants to." Is this true?

A--Not at the federal level. At present, a ham sandwich can only be indicted in the states of Alabama, Alaska, and Hawaii. Since the precedent-setting case of Oscar-Meyer v. Meese, federal prosecution of ham sandwiches has become so difficult that it is rarely attempted. Prior to that case, ham sandwiches had been indicted on two occasions by federal grand juries. In one case the prosecution was dropped due to spoilage, and in the other (Baldwin v. Sweden) the ham sandwich was ruled to be acting in the capacity of a foreign ambassador, and was thus protected by diplomatic immunity.

http://www.toadalamode.com/grandjury.html

 

[Calliope]

I wonder what percentage of grand juries do not return an indictment upon the request of the prosecutor?

eta: interesting

http://www.nacdl.org/public.nsf/freeform/grandjuryreform?opendocument

 

[stmarysmead]

Sure, I will explain. LE and others throw out vague comments meant to rile the masses and support their POV, but they don't back it up with evidence. IMHO, they need to put up or shut up. Either arrest Terri, bring Terri's ham sandwich before the grand jury and indict it, provide evidence for statements, or stop with vague and meaningless comments. The innuendo and salacious inferences aren't helping find Kyron. It can't be about Kyron if so many people are making about everything but him.

To be fair to LE, they have no obligation to the "viewing public" to "put up" until they have the strongest case possible.

If they "shut up" which has mostly been the case... the public leaps to the assumption that there is no case and millions have been wasted.

On the other hand, if they "put up" a few comments that show the case is progressing, LE is criticized that these statements are not as complete as the public's instant gratification standards would like. It makes sense that their comments are "vague" because the first priority is protecting the integrity of the case, as it should be.

I don't understand how LE comments can be BOTH "vague" and "meaningless"....AND also meet the definition of "salacious."

I have seen no deliberate attempt by LE to "rile the masses." I'd appreciate some examples of that so I might better understand. How do "vague" and "meaningless" comments.... "rile the masses?" I might respectfully suggest we are too easily "riled" if that was actually the case.

And IMO, THE most "salacious aspect" of this case..the Murder for Hire plot...came not from the mouths of LE to the public...but through court documents filed by the victim-to-be.

If LE found the witness claiming Murder for Hire by Terri...they had an obligation to tell Kaine. Kaine was certainly within his rights to take Baby K, get a RO, and file for divorce...all "public" events. Should a man have to live with a woman he believes tried to have him killed...to protect her reputation from these "salacious" revelations during a missing person's investigation? I think that's asking a lot.

We have heard wise words from Kyron's loving Dad this week..."be patient." The hammer will fall when LE is ready.

"Put up or shut up" only serves the demands of the curious general public. But, it is not the general public who comes FIRST...who needs to have it's desire for details satiated. The integrity of the case comes first. It is Kyron that needs to be afforded justice...for whatever that little guy endured.

 

[Aedrys]

To be fair to LE, they have no obligation to the "viewing public" to "put up" until they have the strongest case possible.

If they "shut up" which has mostly been the case... the public leaps to the assumption that there is no case and millions have been wasted.

On the other hand, if they "put up" a few comments that show the case is progressing, LE is criticized that these statements are not as complete as the public's instant gratification standards would like. It makes sense that their comments are "vague" because the first priority is protecting the integrity of the case, as it should be.

I don't understand how LE comments can be BOTH "vague" and "meaningless"....AND also meet the definition of "salacious."

I have seen no deliberate attempt by LE to "rile the masses." I'd appreciate some examples of that so I might better understand. How do "vague" and "meaningless" comments.... "rile the masses?" I might respectfully suggest we are too easily "riled" if that was actually the case.

And IMO, THE most "salacious aspect" of this case..the Murder for Hire plot...came not from the mouths of LE to the public...but through court documents filed by the victim-to-be.

If LE found the witness claiming Murder for Hire by Terri...they had an obligation to tell Kaine. Kaine was certainly within his rights to take Baby K, get a RO, and file for divorce...all "public" events. Should a man have to live with a woman he believes tried to have him killed...to protect her reputation from these "salacious" revelations during a missing person's investigation? I think that's asking a lot.

We have heard wise words from Kyron's loving Dad this week..."be patient." The hammer will fall when LE is ready.

"Put up or shut up" only serves the demands of the curious general public. But, it is not the general public who comes FIRST...who needs to have it's desire for details satiated. The integrity of the case comes first. It is Kyron that needs to be afforded justice...for whatever that little guy endured.

The thanks button wasn't enough! Bravo! Great post! ITA! The police are not obligated to Kyron and what happened to him, not feeding the hungry public what it wants when it wants. I applaud them for keeping this case so close to the chest. That has be increasingly hard to do everyday this case drags on. It's so hard to be patient, but I know I have to be, and I know Kyron will get justice someday. I do hope it's sooner rather than later, but only time will tell.