Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #4

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  • #601
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  • #602
That would be awful!

I don't believe Iran has attacked a western power in modern history.

Iran will basically be committing suicide by doing this.
I can hope. I wish I felt more confident in that outcome.

Ngl, I am scared spitless
 
  • #603

"Israel refused Zelensky.

'This is not the time to visit'


Israel refused to give Ukraine consent to Volodymyr Zelensky's official visit to the country.
The Ukrainian president wanted to visit Israel attacked by Hamas terrorists.

'This is not the right time',

the Ukrainian side was reported to have heard.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky asked to pay a solidarity visit in the wake of the Hamas attack on Israel, the Times of Israel newspaper reported.

Zelensky strongly defended Israel after the attack, saying that Israel has the undisputed right to defend itself against attacks by Palestinian terrorists.

'Terror is always a crime,
not only against one country or specific victims, but against humanity as a whole'
- said the Ukrainian leader.

Jerusalem has repeatedly expressed support for Ukraine since Russia invaded Ukraine last February.
Israel has never officially decided to offer any military assistance to the fighting Ukrainians.
Jerusalem's reticence on this issue was explained by its reluctance to provoke Moscow."

 
  • #604

"Israel refused Zelensky.

'This is not the time to visit'


Israel refused to give Ukraine consent to Volodymyr Zelensky's official visit to the country.
The Ukrainian president wanted to visit Israel attacked by Hamas terrorists.

'This is not the right time',

the Ukrainian side was reported to have heard.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky asked to pay a solidarity visit in the wake of the Hamas attack on Israel, the Times of Israel newspaper reported.

Zelensky strongly defended Israel after the attack, saying that Israel has the undisputed right to defend itself against attacks by Palestinian terrorists.

'Terror is always a crime,
not only against one country or specific victims, but against humanity as a whole'
- said the Ukrainian leader.

Jerusalem has repeatedly expressed support for Ukraine since Russia invaded Ukraine last February.
Israel has never officially decided to offer any military assistance to the fighting Ukrainians.
Jerusalem's reticence on this issue was explained by its reluctance to provoke Moscow."

They were right to refuse him. It’s not the time.
 
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  • #606
That would be awful!

I don't believe Iran has attacked a western power in modern history.

Iran will basically be committing suicide by doing this.

I think they would continue to use their proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah. They would need to give permission to Hezbollah terrorists to launch an all-out attack against Israel from Lebanon. I also think this was part of their original plan with Hamas in Gaza, just waiting for the next phase, and all the public outcry about "restraint" and "war crimes" etc. against Israel has given them just what they need to try to justify the next phase.

Nations and organizations that wanted to discuss "restraint" and "war crimes" with Israel could have done it discreetly and not publicly. As it is, they have fed right into Iran's/Hezbollah's hands.
 
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31m ago

Summary of the day so far​

It’s just past 12.30am in Gaza City and Tel Aviv. Here’s where things stand:

  • Hamas demanded the release of “6,000 male and female prisoners in Israeli prisons” in exchange for hostages it took during its attacks on 7 October. The group’s captives include “high-ranking officers” of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), Khaled Meshaal, head of Hamas’s diaspora office, said. A Hamas spokesperson said there were “about 200-250” Israeli captives in Gaza, contradicting an earlier statement from the Israeli military that said it had confirmed 199 hostages.
  • An intense US-led diplomatic effort failed to ease the plight of two million Palestinians trapped under bombardment in Gaza, with supplies of water, food and medicine all running out, raising the prospect of a humanitarian disaster. US media reported that Joe Biden was considering a trip as an already dire situation drastically deteriorated.
  • At least 2,808 Palestinians have been killed and 10,850 injured since Israel launched attacks on the Gaza Strip, the Gaza health ministry said on Monday. The Palestinian Journalists Syndicate has said that Israel has killed 11 Palestinian journalists in its airstrikes on Gaza.
  • The World Health Organization (WHO) warned Gaza faces an imminent public health crisis as the Palestinian enclave is “running out of water”.The UN agency said the lives of more than 3,500 patients in 35 hospitals in Gaza are at immediate risk, and called for the unobstructed access for humanitarian aid into the enclave.
  • The UN relief and works agency for Palestine refugees (UNRWA) said “there are not enough body bags for the dead in Gaza”. It noted that Gaza had been without electricity for five days, there was limited access to clean drinking water, and more than 1 million people had been displaced.
  • The US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, and Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, sheltered in a bunker for five minutes when air sirens went off during their meeting in Tel Aviv on Monday. In a joint press conference, Blinken said Israel will “always have the support of the United States”, while Gallant warned “a long war” lies ahead.
  • Israel activated a plan to evacuate residents within 2km (1.2 miles) of Lebanon, the military said on Monday. It followed exchanges of fire with Hezbollah in parallel to the conflict in southern Israel with Hamas.In a statement, the Israel Defence Forces said the plan included the evacuation of 28 villages.
  • The armed wing of Hamas, Al Qassam Brigades, said it fired a “barrage of missiles” on Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.In a statement on Monday, it said the latest attacks were in response to Israel’s “targeting of civilians”.
  • The EU announced it will launch a “humanitarian air bridge” consisting of “several flights” to Egypt to bring supplies to humanitarian organisations on the ground in Gaza. The first two flights will take place this week, carrying humanitarian cargo from Unicef including shelter items, medicines and hygiene kits, it said in a statement.

[…]



If a prisoner swap for hostages is negotiated it should include a requirement for prisoners to be deported to Iran.
 
  • #608
So, I think I am caught up- it is correct that the Rafah Crossing had STILL not opened? Can that be true? :mad:
 
  • #609
I am not seeing the bruising, but in her photos/selfies on SM, her lip looks the same- her bottom lip has a deep crease.
I haven't seen SM pics, but I believe you. Maybe it's just the lighting in my house.
 
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  • #611
MmmHmm, do tell, Vlad? We’re all ears. /s
Cool. Being that Hamas is an Iranian-proxy ... as is Hezbollah in Lebanon (& currently attempting to goad Israel into opening up the war on a 2nd front [Israel's restraint is actually quite amazing when all your neighbours want to exterminate you]), also Syria launching rockets from their 3rd front ...

And Iran is a Russian Ally --- that ought to work out well for Israel no?
 
  • #612
2 min ago

Supplies blocked from entering Gaza as efforts to open a humanitarian corridor ramp up. Here's what to know​

From CNN staff

The Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt is still closed, leaving humanitarian supplies piling up on the Egyptian side of the border.

Neither Gazans nor foreign nationals have been able to cross, and Egypt’s Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry is placing the blame on Israel, saying there has been no progress in efforts to open the crossing.

The worsening conditions come as Israel seems poised for an imminent ground incursion.

Here's what else to know:

Rafah crossing: Hundreds of thousands of Gazans have abandoned their homes in the north after Israel warned them to evacuate southward. But, Israel has closed its two border crossings with Gaza and imposed a “complete siege” of the territory. That has left the Rafah crossing as the only viable outlet to get people out of the enclave – and supplies into it. Hamas urged Egypt to open the crossing so that aid can come in and those who have been injured can be transported for treatment. Also complicating matters: border authorities have not managed to repair Israeli airstrike damage to the Gaza side of the Rafah border crossing, a Palestinian official said.

Personal stories and global aid: A family of five Palestinian-Americans, all US citizens, said they waited for several hours to cross the border with Egypt, but remain stuck in Gaza with limited supplies and electricity. UN agencies have supplies at the ready to move into southern Gaza, according to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. The European Union also said it is launching a humanitarian air bridge operation to Egypt that will bring supplies to the enclave, the European Commission president said.

Dwindling water supply: The director of Gaza’s water authority said on Monday that water supply has not yet been restored to the enclave. The World Health Organization warned that the people in Gaza face an “imminent” public health crisis, saying the limited amount of water is creating a desperate situation as the lives of more than 3,500 patients in 35 hospitals are at immediate risk.

Israeli strikes: At least five people were killed and 15 others were injured in an Israeli airstrike that targeted a multi-story house in Rafah in the southern Gaza strip, the Palestinian interior ministry said. The ministry said the airstrike happened without prior warning from the Israel Defense Forces. The IDF issued the guidance Friday, telling all civilians in north Gaza to evacuate to areas south. However, some Palestinians who followed the warnings and fled their homes in search of safety were killed by Israeli airstrikes outside of the evacuation zone.

The latest on hostages: Hamas is holding between at least 200 and 250 hostages captured during the attack, according to Abu Odaida, the spokesperson of Hamas' militant wing, Al-Qassam Brigades. He added that they cannot determine the exact number of hostages in the strip due to constant Israeli bombardment. Abu Obaida claimed 22 of the hostages in Gaza were killed in Israeli airstrikes (CNN cannot independently verify that claim). Earlier on Monday, the Israeli military said at least 199 people are being held hostage in Gaza.

Fears of a regional conflict: United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres warned the conflict in Israel risks spilling over regionally. Meanwhile, the Israeli government ordered the evacuation of 28 villages in northern Israel within two kilometers of the country's border with Lebanon amid an exchange of fire between Israel and members of the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah. Other world leaders, including British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, said they are working to prevent an escalation of the conflict.

Blinken visits Israel: In his meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken "received an update on the situation on the ground," a State Department spokesperson said. He also met with the Israeli "war cabinet" including Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and opposition leader Yair Lapid during the trip, the spokesperson and reporters said. Separately, discussions are underway for President Joe Biden visit to the Middle East after Netanyahu extended an invitation, though the White House said Sunday it has no new travel plans to announce.

US support: The Pentagon has ordered that roughly 2,000 troops prepare for a potential deployment to Israel to help with tasks like medical and logistical support, according to multiple defense officials. A US Marine rapid response force is also headed to the waters off the coast of Israel, according to a defense official. While the US is bolstering its presence in the Middle East, US officials have made clear there are no plans for US troops to become directly involved in any Israeli military operations against Hamas.

 
  • #613
2 min ago

Supplies blocked from entering Gaza as efforts to open a humanitarian corridor ramp up. Here's what to know​

From CNN staff

The Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt is still closed, leaving humanitarian supplies piling up on the Egyptian side of the border.

Neither Gazans nor foreign nationals have been able to cross, and Egypt’s Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry is placing the blame on Israel, saying there has been no progress in efforts to open the crossing.

The worsening conditions come as Israel seems poised for an imminent ground incursion.

Here's what else to know:

Rafah crossing: Hundreds of thousands of Gazans have abandoned their homes in the north after Israel warned them to evacuate southward. But, Israel has closed its two border crossings with Gaza and imposed a “complete siege” of the territory. That has left the Rafah crossing as the only viable outlet to get people out of the enclave – and supplies into it. Hamas urged Egypt to open the crossing so that aid can come in and those who have been injured can be transported for treatment. Also complicating matters: border authorities have not managed to repair Israeli airstrike damage to the Gaza side of the Rafah border crossing, a Palestinian official said.

Personal stories and global aid: A family of five Palestinian-Americans, all US citizens, said they waited for several hours to cross the border with Egypt, but remain stuck in Gaza with limited supplies and electricity. UN agencies have supplies at the ready to move into southern Gaza, according to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. The European Union also said it is launching a humanitarian air bridge operation to Egypt that will bring supplies to the enclave, the European Commission president said.

Dwindling water supply: The director of Gaza’s water authority said on Monday that water supply has not yet been restored to the enclave. The World Health Organization warned that the people in Gaza face an “imminent” public health crisis, saying the limited amount of water is creating a desperate situation as the lives of more than 3,500 patients in 35 hospitals are at immediate risk.

Israeli strikes: At least five people were killed and 15 others were injured in an Israeli airstrike that targeted a multi-story house in Rafah in the southern Gaza strip, the Palestinian interior ministry said. The ministry said the airstrike happened without prior warning from the Israel Defense Forces. The IDF issued the guidance Friday, telling all civilians in north Gaza to evacuate to areas south. However, some Palestinians who followed the warnings and fled their homes in search of safety were killed by Israeli airstrikes outside of the evacuation zone.

The latest on hostages: Hamas is holding between at least 200 and 250 hostages captured during the attack, according to Abu Odaida, the spokesperson of Hamas' militant wing, Al-Qassam Brigades. He added that they cannot determine the exact number of hostages in the strip due to constant Israeli bombardment. Abu Obaida claimed 22 of the hostages in Gaza were killed in Israeli airstrikes (CNN cannot independently verify that claim). Earlier on Monday, the Israeli military said at least 199 people are being held hostage in Gaza.

Fears of a regional conflict: United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres warned the conflict in Israel risks spilling over regionally. Meanwhile, the Israeli government ordered the evacuation of 28 villages in northern Israel within two kilometers of the country's border with Lebanon amid an exchange of fire between Israel and members of the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah. Other world leaders, including British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, said they are working to prevent an escalation of the conflict.

Blinken visits Israel: In his meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken "received an update on the situation on the ground," a State Department spokesperson said. He also met with the Israeli "war cabinet" including Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and opposition leader Yair Lapid during the trip, the spokesperson and reporters said. Separately, discussions are underway for President Joe Biden visit to the Middle East after Netanyahu extended an invitation, though the White House said Sunday it has no new travel plans to announce.

US support: The Pentagon has ordered that roughly 2,000 troops prepare for a potential deployment to Israel to help with tasks like medical and logistical support, according to multiple defense officials. A US Marine rapid response force is also headed to the waters off the coast of Israel, according to a defense official. While the US is bolstering its presence in the Middle East, US officials have made clear there are no plans for US troops to become directly involved in any Israeli military operations against Hamas.

Thank you. <modsnip>

They are fish in a barrel as I feared.
 
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  • #614
2m ago
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s war cabinet lasted more than six hours, Reuters reports on the unfolding humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and the two briefly sought shelter in a bunker during an air raid alert.

The unexpectedly long meeting extended into the wee hours of Tuesday, disrupted by sirens blaring as Israel‘s Iron Dome missile defense system intercepted Hamas rockets while Israel‘s army remained on standby for a possible ground assault on Gaza.

Blinken, Israel’s leading diplomat, was on the fifth consecutive day of round-the-clock diplomacy in the region, shuttling back to Israel after visiting six Arab countries in four days.

Speaking to reporters earlier after meeting Blinken, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said, “This will be a long war; the price will be high. But we are going to win for Israel and the Jewish people and for the values that both countries believe in.”

 
  • #615
36s ago

UN Security Council meets to discuss resolution on Israel​

AP: The UN Security Council met Monday evening to vote on rival Russian and Brazilian resolutions that reflect deep divisions over the decades-old Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the latest Hamas’ attacks and Israeli retaliation.

But immediately after the session was gavelled to order, the United Arab Emirates ambassador, Lana Nusseibeh, asked for members to go into closed consultations, and the 15 council ambassadors left the room. Several diplomats said they wanted a delay in the vote, especially on the Brazil resolution.

The UN’s most powerful body, which is charged with maintaining international peace and security, has failed to respond to the conflict.

The Russian draft resolution, which was scheduled to be voted on first, calls for “an immediate, durable and fully respected humanitarian cease-fire ” and “strongly condemns all violence and hostilities directed against civilians and all acts of terrorism.” It never mentions Hamas.

The Brazilian draft resolution calls for “humanitarian pauses” and also “firmly condemns all violence and hostilities against civilians and all acts of terrorism.” But it also “unequivocally rejects and condemns the heinous terrorist attacks by Hamas.”

 
  • #616
By private,I meant not government owned. Yea, bet the BOD's laugh at this idea.

The US paid the private airline to evacuate America citizens.

Well if humanitarian efforts are free, I don't see a problem. <modsnip: not victim friendly>

Moo
Has anyone stated that in order to evacuate over the years that you sign a contract to pay back the U.S. Once you get to the evacuation country you're on your own to get where you intend to go and your return trip home is not covered.
 
  • #617

Israel 'striking Hezbollah terrorist targets in Lebanon'​

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) posted on social media that it is "striking Hezbollah terrorist targets in Lebanon".

For days there have been exchanges of fire across the border between Hezbollah and Israeli forces.

Hezbollah, like Hamas, is designated as a terror organisation by the US, UK and other countries.

They are considered to have a more sophisticated arsenal compared to Hamas, and are capable of hitting targets further inside Israel.

The heavily armed Iranian-backed group has an estimated 130,000 rockets and missiles, according to the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

A conflict with Hezbollah risks opening a second front in Israel's offensive.

Hours earlier, Israeli PM Netanyahu addressed the Knesset (parliament) where he issued a warning to Iran and Hezbollah to remain on the side lines of the conflict.

“Don’t try us, you will be severely harmed,” he said.

 
  • #618
39s ago

Almost 1,000 US citizens have left Israel on charter flights​

Nearly 1,000 US citizens and family members have departed Israel on State Department-sponsored charter flights since Friday for Europe, a department spokesperson told Reuters on Monday.

The State Department said it had offered more than 4,000 seats on US government-chartered transport by air and sea to US citizens and immediate family but said the flights and other departure options have generally departed at half capacity or less.
The State Department said the US government-facilitated flights are scheduled to continue from Tel Aviv through at least Thursday.

 
  • #619
2m ago

Iran warns of ‘pre-emptive’ attack on Israel in ‘the coming hours’​

Iran’s foreign minister, Hossein Amirabdollahian, warned that a “preemptive action” against Israel could be expected “in the coming hours”, signalling a potential escalation in the conflict.

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RSBM,

Discussion ongoing right now in a think tank group that I am part of.

This threat isn't a surprise, quite frankly, and has been thought about/considered(?) ... I am akin to think that Iran would prefer to KTFO if it understands what's best for it. After all, Israel is facing an existential threat - That sole Hebrew nation in the world amidst/surrounded by 22 Muslim nations (not all of whom reacted the way Hamas-by-proxy hoped they would [witness the failure of the 'Day of Rage' to incite state-level anti-Israel actions]). JMO.

Also IMO, an objective of this was to scuttle the pending Saudi-Israeli agreement. They managed to pull that one off --- for the time being.
 
  • #620
1m ago
More context now on the IDF saying it was launching strikes on Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, via AFP.

“The Israeli army is striking military targets of the terrorist organisation Hezbollah on Lebanese territory,” the IDF said.

Since the start of the war, clashes on the Israel-Lebanon border have left around 10 people dead on the Lebanese side, mostly combatants but also a Reuters journalist and two civilians.

On the Israeli side, at least two people have been killed.

The international community fears an escalation of the conflict between the pro-Iran Lebanese Hezbollah, an ally of Hamas, and the Israeli army.

Israel began evacuating thousands of residents in 28 locations in the north of the country after these border clashes.

 
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