Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #9

[justtrish]

I find this article really fascinating. Almost unbelievable.

One thing I really have trouble understanding about October 7 is the idea that 3000 men went into Israel and did things like bake babies in front of their parents, kill parents in front of their kids. They did everything that they could not just to kill but to maximize suffering. When you hear about murders like this happening in the world, it’s usually one person and it’s usually because they experienced severe childhood trauma, were psychotic, or had some other major abnormality going on. Then there are reports that the terrorists were smiling and shouting glory to God as they went from house to house, killing people. Unimaginable. I think that, for the average person, you would have to go through a significant amount of brainwashing and trauma in order to participate in a crime like that much less smile during it. It is very hard for me to believe that there wasn’t some sort of desensitization training or something for October 7 to take place. The thing I find unbelievable is that they were told what to do mere moments before doing it and they were able to do it- while smiling. I know they had Captagon, but still.

I think there’s a lot to learn about group psychology and brainwashing of a population because I feel like that’s what’s happened here. Most people couldn’t fathom doing what was done on October 7 and yet thousands of people did it.

It's horrific and unimaginable to think these groups exist, but this is terrorism. Look at every terrorist group we know of. They are not afraid to take innocent civilians (even seem to enjoy that), they aren't afraid to take their own selves out with the plot (look at 9/11 and other sui#de attacks. This hate seems to be grown in certain populations that look for and need some type of purpose.

Not unlike the military actually. The difference is the military is trained to help and they play by rules and they are taught to look out for their battle buddy, they don't leave fallen comrades, they don't target children, civilians, and their driving force is they are fighting FOR those they love, the values they hold dear, and the country they love.

Terrorists seem to have been bonded by hate and they are trained to it seems commit these acts at all costs. Their own lives, the lives of their battle buddy, even the lives of those they supposedly are fighting for.. hiding behind civilians and putting civilians in harms way. Harming babies just because of who they are born to. Defies all laws of humanity. Even some of the most evil people could and would never harm babies, children.. etc

All I know for sure is every war we've ever had there have been innocent civilians killed. There is always going to be the possibility that people are in harms way and as much as we try to minimize that, it does happen. The difference here is MOST do not do this intentionally to take joy in and celebrate the fact that innocent civilians were killed. There is no joy in that for the US and most allies I know of. Soldiers come home severely traumatized by things they saw, the unintentional consequences of military actions, they are never the same. The idea that they would celebrate or even worse intentionally commit any of those actions we saw on Oct 7 from HAMAS.. My brain can't even come up with a why or how that makes sense. Even training these people to commit these actions, grooming from the time they are children?? I don't know.. how why? Why is there so much hate in these people?

What I have seen and heard and read about was as if a pack of wild animals that have no ability to feel any emotions were unleashed on Israel.. the acts we saw were not of human beings, they were of wild rabid animals. Not a single decent moral human should see that and think, it's okay because of anything Israel has ever done in the past. There is NO justification for it. I think that is almost more disturbing to me than those that committed these acts on Oct 7th.. people around the world agreeing with what was done and supporting it.

 

[Dotta]

Hmmm
This is what I found in my country's MSM:

"Tension after Netanyahu's words.
The White House has a different vision.

Joe Biden believes that the reoccupation of the Gaza Strip by Israeli forces is not good for Israel or the Israeli people, said John Kirby of the US presidential administration on Tuesday.

This is the White House's reaction to the words of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who unveiled a vision of the future of the Palestinian exclave under the control of Tel Aviv.

According to the head of the Israeli government, in the future the Gaza Strip should be ruled by
'those who do not want to continue the path of Hamas.
I think that Israel will have primary responsibility for security (in Gaza - ed.) for an indefinite period of time, because we have seen what happens when we don't do it'
- he said in the American station CBS.

Netanyahu wants Israel to control Gaza. The White House looks skeptical​

Netanyahu's words - as CNN notes - were one of the first clues as to how he imagines the functioning of the Gaza Strip after the war.

His vision is different than that adopted in Washington, which is why it has not escaped the attention of the American administration.

John Kirby, spokesman for the US National Security Council, made a statement that may not necessarily appeal to the Prime Minister of Israel.

'President Joe Biden still believes that the reoccupation of Gaza by Israeli forces is not good.
It is not good for Israel or the Israeli people'
he said in CNN.

The same station also referred to American officials who anonymously said that
they did not know what exactly Israel plans to do in Gaza after the end of the conflict, because 'completely eradicating Hamas from there will be difficult'."

(It is exactly my opinion too
Phew!)

Spięcie po słowach Netanjahu. Biały Dom ma inną wizję

- Joe Biden uważa, że ponowne zajęcie Strefy Gazy przez siły izraelskie nie jest dobre dla Izraela ani narodu izraelskiego - powiedział we wtorek John Kirby z

wydarzenia.interia.pl

 

[Friday Fan]

Hmmm
This is what I found in my country's MSM:

"Tension after Netanyahu's words.
The White House has a different vision.

Joe Biden believes that the reoccupation of the Gaza Strip by Israeli forces is not good for Israel or the Israeli people, said John Kirby of the US presidential administration on Tuesday.

This is the White House's reaction to the words of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who unveiled a vision of the future of the Palestinian exclave under the control of Tel Aviv.

According to the head of the Israeli government, in the future the Gaza Strip should be ruled by
'those who do not want to continue the path of Hamas.
I think that Israel will have primary responsibility for security (in Gaza - ed.) for an indefinite period of time, because we have seen what happens when we don't do it'
- he said in the American station CBS.

Netanyahu wants Israel to control Gaza. The White House looks skeptical​

Netanyahu's words - as CNN notes - were one of the first clues as to how he imagines the functioning of the Gaza Strip after the war.

His vision is different than that adopted in Washington, which is why it has not escaped the attention of the American administration.

John Kirby, spokesman for the US National Security Council, made a statement that may not necessarily appeal to the Prime Minister of Israel.

'President Joe Biden still believes that the reoccupation of Gaza by Israeli forces is not good.
It is not good for Israel or the Israeli people'
he said in CNN.

The same station also referred to American officials who anonymously said that
they did not know what exactly Israel plans to do in Gaza after the end of the conflict, because 'completely eradicating Hamas from there will be difficult'."

(It is exactly my opinion too
Phew!)

Spięcie po słowach Netanjahu. Biały Dom ma inną wizję

- Joe Biden uważa, że ponowne zajęcie Strefy Gazy przez siły izraelskie nie jest dobre dla Izraela ani narodu izraelskiego - powiedział we wtorek John Kirby z

wydarzenia.interia.pl

It's also in the MSM here too.

 

[Dotta]

It's also in the MSM here too.

Global Village haha

 

[shotgun09]

Hmmm
This is what I found in my country's MSM:

"Tension after Netanyahu's words.
The White House has a different vision.

Joe Biden believes that the reoccupation of the Gaza Strip by Israeli forces is not good for Israel or the Israeli people, said John Kirby of the US presidential administration on Tuesday.

This is the White House's reaction to the words of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who unveiled a vision of the future of the Palestinian exclave under the control of Tel Aviv.

According to the head of the Israeli government, in the future the Gaza Strip should be ruled by
'those who do not want to continue the path of Hamas.
I think that Israel will have primary responsibility for security (in Gaza - ed.) for an indefinite period of time, because we have seen what happens when we don't do it'
- he said in the American station CBS.

Netanyahu wants Israel to control Gaza. The White House looks skeptical​

Netanyahu's words - as CNN notes - were one of the first clues as to how he imagines the functioning of the Gaza Strip after the war.

His vision is different than that adopted in Washington, which is why it has not escaped the attention of the American administration.

John Kirby, spokesman for the US National Security Council, made a statement that may not necessarily appeal to the Prime Minister of Israel.

'President Joe Biden still believes that the reoccupation of Gaza by Israeli forces is not good.
It is not good for Israel or the Israeli people'
he said in CNN.

The same station also referred to American officials who anonymously said that
they did not know what exactly Israel plans to do in Gaza after the end of the conflict, because 'completely eradicating Hamas from there will be difficult'."

(It is exactly my opinion too
Phew!)

Spięcie po słowach Netanjahu. Biały Dom ma inną wizję

- Joe Biden uważa, że ponowne zajęcie Strefy Gazy przez siły izraelskie nie jest dobre dla Izraela ani narodu izraelskiego - powiedział we wtorek John Kirby z

wydarzenia.interia.pl

OK...
This ^^^^ post gives me Pink Floyd 'Dogs' vibes:

Lyrics:
"You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in...

You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder......"

Geez.....I'm going to go watch some kitten videos for a bit...

MOO and Peace

 

[Friday Fan]

OK...
This ^^^^ post gives me Pink Floyd 'Dogs' vibes:

Lyrics:
"You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in...

You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder......"

Geez.....I'm going to go watch some kitten videos for a bit...

MOO and Peace

MOO That's the way it is. MOO
One can't seem to live without the other.
There are long standing jokes that are 60 years old out there...At least the jokes ad levity to the relationship.

 

[Momoffourboys]

After Oct7, we are learning that it's hard to let go of established concepts and patterns, even if they aren't useful. Apparently, we aren't the only ones who have difficulties letting go of less relevant ideas. I tried explaining that today on @CNN

https://twitter.com/x/status/1722045811633033434

 

[Dotta]

"The Met Police WON'T ban Poppy Day pro-Palestine rally: ​

Force Commissioner says Gaza event ​

'does not meet the threshold' ​

to be outlawed despite fears of clashes and disruption with tens of thousands expected on London's streets."​

Pray they don't end up with a riot at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Day

In a thinly veiled swipe at the Home Secretary, Metropolitan Police chief Mark Rowley said intelligence sources did not justify banning a rally on Armistice Day.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"Football hooligans are planning to​

'team up' and 'protect'​

the Cenotaph from pro-Palestine protestors... ​

with police fearing more than a thousand will come to London where a rally against war in Gaza is set to take place."​

EXCLUSIVE: Football hooligans planning to 'protect' the Cenotaph

Gangs of football hooligans are planning to 'team up' and 'protect' the Cenotaph from pro-Palestine protestors this weekend, with police on high-alert for trouble.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Friday Fan]

Man involved in confrontation with Jewish protester who died called 911, cooperated with police

Paul Kessler died early Monday after falling backward and hitting his head.

www.politico.com

They are still investigating. He died from a fall and it is ruled a homicide, but it was chaotic with witnesses conflicting each other. They have not ruled out a hate crime.

Police are requesting video footage to determine what happened. The protester that he got in a confrontation with stayed at the scene and apparently called 911.

News from CBS looks like it was a fairly small event.

Jewish man dies after clash at dueling rallies

A 69-year-old Jewish man died after a clash at dueling pro-Palestine and pro-Israel rallies near Los Angeles. Police are investigating as witnesses have provided conflicting accounts of who was at fault and how Paul Kesser was fatally injured. Elise Preston reports.

www.cbsnews.com

I do see alot of flags...Makes me wonder..MOO Was just watching a documentary about another issue from the 1970's. A flag pole was used to assault someone. And those are robust looking poles. MOO

 

[Chimera]

Jewish man dies after confrontation with pro-Palestinian protesters in Thousand Oaks

A Jewish man in his 60s died after he was injured in an altercation at a pro-Palestinian rally in Thousand Oaks, authorities say.

abc7.com

"They were both on an even ground, and they were yelling at each other, and then the man brought his megaphone up and hit Paul, and Paul went down," the witness said.
The man witnesses identify as the suspect can be seen in video giving deputies his version of what happened.
Emphasis mine.

Wonder if Paul being hit by the megaphone was caught on video ?
A lot of people go to protests -- just to film it.
Imo.
Omo.

 

[EveningPanic]

I found this really interesting and (imo) brings the “child” aspect of this war into view and shows what the IDF is dealing with. I was looking for the 2013 “camp jihad” documentary to watch and could not find it anywhere. It had been removed from YouTube because..who knows.

Anyhow, after searching for two hours, I stumbled across this archive and thought I might share it here. It’s documentaries that span a decade about the education in Gaza.

It looks like the most recent documentary about the child soldiers was put out 2 months before October 7.
I’m glad I found this forum. It’s nice having unbiased/factual information presented daily.

Center for Near East Policy Research - Documentary Films

SS of the website attached.

 

[Chimera]

Welcome to Websleuths, EveningPanic !

Some interesting information, thanks.

 

[Friday Fan]

Jewish man dies after confrontation with pro-Palestinian protesters in Thousand Oaks

A Jewish man in his 60s died after he was injured in an altercation at a pro-Palestinian rally in Thousand Oaks, authorities say.

abc7.com

"They were both on an even ground, and they were yelling at each other, and then the man brought his megaphone up and hit Paul, and Paul went down," the witness said.
The man witnesses identify as the suspect can be seen in video giving deputies his version of what happened.
Emphasis mine.

Wonder if Paul being hit by the megaphone was caught on video ?
A lot of people go to protests -- just to film it.
Imo.
Omo.

I saw the guy. He was heavyset. He wasn't young looking. (He was 50, but looked older) So maybe hitting him with the megaphone was enough to cause Paul to fall. Maybe he was pushed too. They determined that he died from a fall.

 

[Momoffourboys]

I saw the guy. He was heavyset. He wasn't young looking. (He was 50, but looked older) So maybe hitting him with the megaphone was enough to cause Paul to fall. Maybe he was pushed too. They determined that he died from a fall.

His cause of death is blunt force trauma.

snipped by me:

The cause of death has been certified as blunt force trauma. The manner of death is homicide." Dr. Young said. "A manner of death of homicide does not indicate that a crime has been committed. This is a determination that is made by the District Attorney's office."

Jewish protester's death in LA area remains under investigation as eyewitness accounts conflict

While a suspect remained at the scene and was cooperative, witnesses gave conflicting statements about the clash, according to Ventura County Sheriff Jim Fryhoff.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[PommyMommy]

2 hours ago

Flares up near the Al-Shifa Medical Center in Northern Gaza earlier tonight as the Israeli Air Force continues to conduct Airstrikes and Ground Troops attempt to Advance towards the Hospital.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1722050569219486113

The Israeli Navy has been Extremely Active tonight off the Coast of the Gaza Strip, with Heavy Shelling taking place on several Hamas Strongholds near the Beach in Central and Northern Gaza; a number of the High-Rise Condos and Vacation Resorts on the Coast are claimed by Israel Defense Sources to have been Retrofit by Hamas Terrorists over the last few weeks to serve as Launch Sites for Anti-Air, Anti-Tank, and Anti-Ship Missiles.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1722051906619453599

35 min ago

Israeli Ground Forces are currently launching Raids up the Coast of Gaza City where Heavy Naval Shelling took place earlier tonight, so far at least 7 Dead Terrorists have been Discovered in the Rubble with many more expected to be Found in nearby Buildings as the Operation continues.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1722078020607877263

 

[PommyMommy]

Raw footage: Here are some of the weapons found on Hamas' terrorists on October 7th.

1,493 hand grenades and explosives, 760 RPGs, 427 explosive belts, 375 firearms, 106 rockets and missiles.These are just a few of the weapons used to massacre over 1,400 Israeli civilians. Weapons used for the killing of innocents.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1722037457217048961

 

[Momoffourboys]

Anula Ratnayaka, 49: Sri Lankan caregiver hid her elderly client​

After working in Israel for a decade with families who considered her one of their own, she was murdered in Kibbutz Be’eri on October 7​

Anula Ratnayaka, 49, spent 10 years as a caregiver in Israel before she was murdered by Hamas terrorists in the October 7 assault on Kibbutz Be’eri.

The Sri Lanka Daily News reported that Anula was shot dead after managing to hide Ettie Morado, the Israeli woman she was taking care of.

The report stated that “the elderly woman of the house who was rescued has said, ‘I am blind. Anula was my eyes. She hid me under the bed and went forward to see what was happening.’”

Anula Ratnayaka, 49: Sri Lankan caregiver hid her elderly client

After working in Israel for a decade with families who considered her one of their own, she was murdered in Kibbutz Be'eri on October 7

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[PommyMommy]

3hr ago

Biden confirms asking Netanyahu to ‘pause’ fighting in Gaza​

In response to reporters’ questions, US President Joe Biden confirms that during his phone call yesterday with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, he asked Israel to “pause” the fighting in Gaza against Hamas.

44min ago

Saudi Arabia to host 3 summits on Israel-Hamas war in coming days​

Saudi Arabia will host three separate summits on the Israel-Hamas war in the coming days for Arab, African and Muslim nations, says the kingdom’s investment minister.

“In the short term, the objective of bringing these three summits and other gatherings under the leadership of Saudi Arabia would be to drive towards peaceful resolution of the conflict,” Khalid Al-Falih tells the Bloomberg New Economy Forum in Singapore, according to Reuters.

 

[PommyMommy]

6h ago / 1:24 PM PST

Netanyahu: ‘We have killed thousands of terrorists’​

Netanyahu lauded military progress in Gaza, warned Hezbollah against further involvement and thanked Biden for U.S. support.

5h ago / 1:47 PM PST

U.S. assisted more than 400 people out of Gaza, but hundreds still remain​

More than 400 U.S. citizens and residents have left Gaza as of today, according to Vedant Patel, the State Department's deputy spokesperson.

Roughly 600 eligible citizens and green-card holders are believed to be waiting to move through the Rafah crossing into Egypt, but Patel noted that citizens are not asked to register themselves abroad and that the number may not be exact.

3h ago / 4:38 PM PST

Netanyahu adviser: ‘We don’t want to govern Gaza’​

Netanyahu adviser Mark Regev talks to Ana Cabrera about Netanyahu’s comments that Israel will take "overall security responsibility" in Gaza after the war.

59m ago / 6:14 PM PST

'There is no cease-fire,' IDF spokesperson says​

Over the past month, the IDF attacked more than 14,000 "terrorist targets" and destroyed more than 100 Hamas tunnels and 4,000 weapons, spokesperson Daniel Hagari said.

"Hamas terrorists are telling themselves that there will be a cease-fire. There is no cease-fire. We are moving forward," Hagari said.

Israel-Hamas war live updates: Gaza ‘security responsibility’ to be Israel’s when conflict ends, Netanyahu says (nbcnews.com)

 

[fred&edna]

I saw the guy. He was heavyset. He wasn't young looking. (He was 50, but looked older) So maybe hitting him with the megaphone was enough to cause Paul to fall. Maybe he was pushed too. They determined that he died from a fall.

I saw some photos circling on X last night, his face was primarily covered but I thought he looked younger than 50.
(But, the older I get the younger everyone else appears?!)

ETA: I decided to check X and the photos I'm seeing now do not appear to be the same guy I saw making their way around last night.