Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #23 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[oceanblueeyes]

None that I am aware of, but if he strays from what was testified to or repeats questions, they will stop that.



Bravo. Beautiful post.



Precisely. Especially the BBM parts.



This is what worries me. That caller is not unique. And that's a problem. Most of the posters on here are immersed in this case and have been. The jurors have never heard of this case before now, at least not in depth.



At least he can go home and vent, unlike the jurors! (If his spouse will let him, that is).



Women in general do not tend to follow the pattern of speaking well of exes, even if they died unless they died while they were still together. But, nothing in her e-mail showed she was pressured to have sex or that Travis tried to get her to have sex. And to me, that's the definition of "coming on strong".

I do not believe Lisa was a liar when she testified,. She seemed very insistent on clearing things up and her testimony indicated Travid was not abusive or pressured her sexually:



From your post:

I agree with you but that is NOT what is going on here. This is not about jodi's gender or gender bashing or shaming. Once again: THE PEOPLE BRINGING UP SEX IN THIS CASE, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, ARE THE DEFENSE - JODI AND HER TEAM, NO ONE ELSE.

You just don't get to brutally murder an innocent guy who, it is clear from testimony, evidence and your past conduct, you used sex to dominate, and then cry rape or sex abuse or abuse, period.

And I think it is disingenuous and frankly, baffling that the subjugation of women would be used to explain or defend a violent murderer.

Gender bias goes both ways, friends. Travis was found naked, unarmed and piteously slaughtered in a shower stall, moments after his sexual partner was snapping repeated photos of his naked body. Yet it is inferred that jodi may have been the victim in some way, that Travis must have been aggressive in some way, probably sexually and that jodi, as a woman, could not have used sex to manipulate or control him. Why?

Women can commit domestic violence and sexual violence. And let me tell you, we would not hesitate to assume that Travis sexually dominated jodi if she was the one found naked and unarmed and very murdered, in her shower and if Travis was the one on trial. So the only reason it doesn't work the other way is due to a unfair gender bias, IMO, just not the one some are alleging.

Tell it like it is my friend! Truer words have never been said. It is full blown gender bias!

All it shows me is we are still in the dark ages where some still think all women are good and all men are bad.

That couldnt be further from the truth.

If the victim had been a female we wouldnt even be having this discussion.

JMO

 

[JusticeJunkie]

did you see the way he shot out of court today??? he has got something planned - i wouldn't be surprised to see fake bobby and vincent and a vampire slayer on his rebuttal defense witness list - you can tell its personal for him - thank god for civil servants like juan martinez!!!!!!!!

Read that one too fast. Fake booby??? lol

 

[Curious Me]

This one's for Jodi.


Talking Heads - Psycho Killer (with Lyrics) - YouTube

Popoju - can you translate the french? No speaky :lol:.

Thanks PrincessSezMe, wow in French, yes, translation needed, but perfect song for today.

Listened to "Me and Bobby McGee" yesterday, thanks to Bob.

 

[human]

I feel sorry for JA.

Everyday of her life she wakes up and she is JA.

She is never happy and never will be. She has schemes and dreams and they never come to fruition.

Everyone disappoints and makes her miserable.

She has to live in a world where she is the best, the smartest, the most desirable.

She has had a set back. Kind of a big one in that she has had to sit in jail.

But hey, she gets to tell her story to the world. Finally, everyone will see how amazing she is. All eyes are on her. Yippee!

I do wonder why TA was the one who she tried to annihilate.

It seems out of pattern totally that she did not have another one in the wings. And I do not mean Ryan B.

She was in California since April, so I wonder if some scheme she had going did not fall through. It does not make sense that TA was the only one . She has done this too many times .

 

[bobloblaw]

I agree with you but that is NOT what is going on here. This is not about jodi's gender or gender bashing or shaming. Once again: THE PEOPLE BRINGING UP SEX IN THIS CASE, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, ARE THE DEFENSE - JODI AND HER TEAM, NO ONE ELSE.

You just don't get to brutally murder an innocent guy who, it is clear from testimony, evidence and your past conduct, you used sex to dominate, and then cry rape or sex abuse or abuse, period.

And I think it is disingenuous and frankly, baffling that the subjugation of women would be used to explain or defend a violent murderer.

Gender bias goes both ways, friends. Travis was found naked, unarmed and piteously slaughtered in a shower stall, moments after his sexual partner was snapping repeated photos of his naked body. Yet it is inferred that jodi may have been the victim in some way, that Travis must have been aggressive in some way, probably sexually and that jodi, as a woman, could not have used sex to manipulate or control him. Why?

Women can commit domestic violence and sexual violence. And let me tell you, we would not hesitate to assume that Travis sexually dominated jodi if she was the one found naked and unarmed and very murdered, in her shower and if Travis was the one on trial. So the only reason it doesn't work the other way is due to a unfair gender bias, IMO, just not the one some are alleging.

Thank you for posting this, I totally agree, but as a male I was afraid to bring this up as I feared it would be taken wrong or I would be thought of as a woman hater or something. Thanks

 

[Wishbone]

Nor have I. I simply mean that putting 12 people in a room who (hopefully) do not have all the back story and access to some of the sordid details that are not allowed in court, and maybe, just maybe somebody will be sucked into her "poor me" tale of woe.

If you have callers to some of these shows offering support and belief, I only worry about the possibilities.

Let's wait for cross and, hopefully, she will reveal her true self.

Granted they may take into account some of the sad tales she's told on the witness stand, but the brutality of his death has got to weigh on them and IMO she will get LWOP. I've been wrong before.........

 

[writer7]

I HAVE listened to her testimony. But I referring to her email to Travis. Which was written AT THE TIME she felt most ill at ease and compelled to address that discomfort.

Again I say, (again), my gut feeling on this is that she felt like she needed to restate and soften her stance on Travis' behavior in light of his murder and of the passing years.

She OBVIOUSLY had a bad feeling back then. And AGAIN (again) I tell my ELEVEN year old that she is not too young to be believed if she has a bad feeling about someone. I have taught her to get away ASAP from anyone who makes her feel uncomfortable.

That's definitely good advice, especially for the young. But with Travis it's entirely possible that the two of them weren't well-matched sexually at that time. She had very chaste standards right then, and her discomfort could have to do with a simple mismatch. It doesn't mean he did anything wrong. It was good that she didn't keep it up if she felt uncomfortable; that's never a good idea.

Discomfort does not mean that Travis was pressuring in any unusual or untoward way, though. The girl can have her own standards, and she should! I think her own standards caused the friction with Travis. Granted, he may have been crude. I don't know how to decide an objective level on that, since I use my own personal tastes there If it gets into rapey territory I can spot it a mile away in my life, now, and that is a very good (and unfair) skill to try to learn, absolutely.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I think that you might be reading way too much into this.

You are entitled to think that.

But i promise you if my 19 year old daughter came to me with those worries about the man she was dating, I wouldn't chalk it up to her being "immature and inexperienced".

I would listen to her and if she needed my help, I'd tell that young man to take a hike. But quick.

In the end it doesn't matter regarding Travis' murder, but it does matter to a generation of young women who may follow this case and read these comments.

 

[Linda7NJ]

IIRC on 48 hrs she said that jodi was very inappropriate w/ TA in their presence - when he moved she moved, and would suck on his ear in front of them - thats when they had the long talk and told TA he coul no longer bring jodi to their house - which she said jodi was listening too and walked in the room and it was very strange - they thought TA would be done w/ her after that, but then realized TA just took their relationship underground - at least to them - and this is why i think if what jodi said happened the very first night she spent at the hughes house really happened - ms hughes would know - even if it was just by jodi's and JA's actions the next day - i hope she gets to testify for TA lease:

if he didn't have roommates ... I wouldn't be surprised if she stuck around for awhile...cooked and ate him.


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[pinkandgreenmom]

Oh no! The poor dog watched?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I can not be intimate with my pets in the room watching.


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Seriously. Our dog's nickname is "mood killer." Puts his paws up on the bed (too high for him to hop up) and snorts and snuffs.

 

[lonetraveler]

Nancy Grace just said yep, I'm giggling like a 12 yr old LOL

Yep, she couldn't help herself. The more she talked about the testimony today the more she lost it and went from referring to "oral sex" to "Blow jobs". Several times.

 

[human]

Reading all the posts and realizing that there are so many different views and bantering back and forth among viewers truly worries me. If we viewers have such polarizing views, imagine what will go on during deliberations.....and all it takes is 1 out of 12 and a mistrial is declared. True, she has yet to be subject to cross, but "there's one in every crowd." You can convince some of the people some of the time.........etc.

I have not seen one person on here who does not think she is guilty.

The only difference is in if some of us want LWOP or some want DP.

 

[TorisMom003]

I feel sorry for JA.

Everyday of her life she wakes up and she is JA.

She is never happy and never will be. She has schemes and dreams and they never come to fruition.

Everyone disappoints and makes her miserable.

She has to live in a world where she is the best, the smartest, the most desirable.

She has had a set back. Kind of a big one in that she has had to sit in jail.

But hey, she gets to tell her story to the world. Finally, everyone will see how amazing she is. All eyes are on her. Yippee!

I do wonder why TA was the one who she tried to annihilate.

It seems out of pattern totally that she did not have another one in the wings. And I do not mean Ryan B.

She was in California since April, so I wonder if some scheme she had going did not fall through. It does not make sense that TA was the only one . She has done this too many times .

But Travis was the only one that broke up with her. Jodi wasn't done with him yet. The other exs were dumped by Jodi when she had the next soon to be ex in the wings. Travis screwed up her plan and had the nerve to let her know that she was not good enough for him to continue dating, much less marry.

MOO

 

[dani]

Interesting that she went to church the day after her first "encounter" with Travis, but not after murdering him. :twocents:

Also, for him to perform oral sex on her, in a car, and apparently in the front seat as she said he readjusted the rear view mirror after, must have been very awkward, to say the least. :waitasec:

 

[PrincessSezMe]

One of the defense attorneys today on IS that knows Juan said to wait and see.........he is going to introduce some evidence in his rebuttal that we havent heard about yet.:great:

He said JM has been around Jodi for 4 years and knows what makes her tick. He knew she would be testifying because she loves to be the center of attention. So all this time he has been preparing and this prosecutor is one of the most prepared attorneys Ive ever seen. He doesnt even use notes. Awesome and amazing.

So I cant wait for the bombshell evidence to come forward if we ever get past JA being on her soap box. It may start when Juan begins to cross her just like he did the Law and Order moment with Darryl about the two gas cans she got from him.

imo

OBE - you are always the calm voice of reason, and I agree. This prosecutor is going to rip her apart. It won't matter one iota how much Nurmi goes on, and on, and on, and on. I believe the jurors will be left with a lasting impression from JM's direct and pointed questions. I strongly believe we will NOT see another Pinellas County verdict here.

Jodi Arias should never ever be on our side of the cage again. Whether she gets the DP or not isn't the most important thing to me. The fact that she won't be able to hurt another person on the other side of that cage ever again, is. She'll probably thrive in prison, no doubt, but her leash will be short. And that will be just fine with me. JMOO. :jail:

 

[Linda7NJ]

You are entitled to think that.

But i promise you if my 19 year old daughter came to me with those worries about the man she was dating, I wouldn't chalk it up to her being "immature and inexperienced".

I would listen to her and if she needed my help, I'd tell that young man to take a hike. But quick.

In the end it doesn't matter regarding Travis' murder, but it does matter to a generation of young women who may follow this case and read these comments.

I would hope by the age of 19 your daughter would be adult enough to tell him herself.


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[BritsKate]

I think that in the beginning, the Hugheses were really taken with Jodi. They said she was the nicest person they ever met. AND...Travis was on "cloud nine" after meeting Jodi, too, and told Chris about her.

They probably thought they were helping along a budding romance. They had no idea what lurked beneath until MUCH later.

I do think it's odd, though, considering some other of TA's friends said JA was "off" immediately after meeting her.

This is probably the greatest evidence we have of her being a psychopath though in my opinion.

She would have purposely portrayed herself as being whatever would appeal to Travis and his friends. But even the greatest of psychopaths cannot fool all others all the time. I think it's instinctual for us to revile psychopaths when we meet them - the trouble is when we talk ourselves out of that gut reaction. The phrase too good to be true has never been more fitting ime.

JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I caught the tail end of JVM's show which blended into NG's show (sorry, doing dinner) and someone said the female jurors were on the edge of their seats during JA's testimony.

Just can't imagine why, from what I've seen and heard on these two shows.

MOO

I wouldnt get that far out of my seat. It would be embarrassing if I fell asleep and fell out of it.:floorlaugh:

Who said that? Please tell me it was anyone but Jean Casarus.

IMO

 

[Rileyanne]

Granted they may take into account some of the sad tales she's told on the witness stand, but the brutality of his death has got to weigh on them and IMO she will get LWOP. I've been wrong before.........

And LWOP is fine with me. I care not whether she lives or dies (that sounds positively dreadful). I care just that she never again walks the streets and finds another victim.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I feel SO validated!! NG just parroted what I said earlier. Why not just let the jury "think" you're guilty, rather than get on the stand and "prove" you're guilty!!!

Wait - I don't necessarily want to be linked with NG, but she DID have a good thought. lol