Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Morning Glory]

IMO Travis was accurately describing what Jodi sounded like. He did not express a sexual interest in 12 year old girls, and in no way did he ever say anything about sodomizing a little girl -- as Jodi later interpreted his comment.

She tried to imply that about the "Red Riding Hood" fantasy which is 1) not remarkable and 2) preposterous.

His 12 year old girl statement can be read on many levels, being raunchy just because, teasing her affect, topping it off with a "that's hot" to not overly upset her, et cetera, but none of them referenced pedophilia to me in the slightest, and I wouldn't defend it otherwise. I've seen other comments saying the fact that he would even say anything referencing a child is evidence which is outrageous. People say stupid things all the time, put their foot in their mouth.

Nancy Grace said something to the effect about how he would the 'first pedophile ever to not have any electronic evidence.' Which is joking, but she had a point. I've seen people elsewhere show that his computer used a proxy server and that was evidence, but it isn't. Not only were there not that many documented cases, but for all we know he could have been downloading movies, et cetera, we can't know. But I find it hard to believe that not a single piece of evidence of pedophilia could be found. Not even the "photos." I mean, she supposedly threatened him by referencing him as a "pedophile with a PAST."

/RANT haha, sorry

 

[panthera]

Correct.

And some pro-Jodi supporters use that now as evidence in her favor, saying he cleared out all of the because he was afraid she was going to report him. So now she's a hero? :waitasec:

Obviously anyone making that claims know little of how computers store data even though the user thinks it is deleted.

MOO

 

[Karmady]

The ME's opinion that the stabbing came first was because the shot to the head would have impaired TA's ability to fight her off, but defensive wounds prove otherwise.

I was talking about whether his written report constrained his verbal opinion about the order of things. From what I'm hearing, it did not.

 

[Isabelle]

This is a good article on symptoms of brain injury in laymen's terms. Scroll down to see what the effects of brain injury at forehead level are.

http://www.braininjury.com/symptoms.shtml

 

[Really?]

O/T......goodnight.

Thanks for clarifications made.

:seeya:

 

[fabvab]

Regardless of my experience with some of the People (not the product!) I am happy to hear that it was of some benefit to you and $10 a mo. is not bad at all, even if you just got some sound legal advice now and then.

I only had contact with attorneys once I made a call. I originally signed up for it at the beginning of an employment. It worked out good for me as I didn't have money for legal advice. I used them a lot when I owned a rental home. The attorneys gave me advice/told me my rights. I even think PPL stock did good at one time.

I have a feeling this case is really going to hurt PPL. I'd certainly be hesitant to use them again!

 

[borndem]

I used to think she stabbed him first but now I think:

1.Shot first, little to no blood, pic of him sitting in shower. She shot first because she could not risk him fighting back. She wants the upper hand. Control.
2.Gunshot did not totally incapacitate him. He is stabbed next and gets some defensive wounds. Both a gun and knife are used to make it seem 2 people attack him or she just wants to inflict damage because of her extreme anger.
3.Cuts his throat. She enjoys killing him and wants to inflict wounds. May have felt it would add to the idea of 2 killers. Or at least confuse the murder scene.

This sounds reasonable to me, Sobe -- I originally thought she shot him first as well. Now I don't know...

Another item I would like to see on this list is when, in the midst of the three separate actions she took against him, is when TA was over the sink. He is bleeding pretty well by then, but he is still able to make it to the sink, and he was prolly standing or at least bent over the sink while on both feet. This scene would help me to more logically fit the others into the scenario.

Any ideas of when he got to the sink? Before or after which?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Correct.

And some pro-Jodi supporters use that now as evidence in her favor, saying he cleared out all of the because he was afraid she was going to report him. So now she's a hero? :waitasec:

I read the other night that site is run by the same one that had caseyisinnocent.

Nuff said.:banghead:

 

[panthera]

The casing was ejected after the murder during the clean up?

It was ejected when the gun was fired. The casing landed on top of a blood pool. If the gun had been fired before the stabbing occurred, the blood would be all over the casing.

MOO

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I'm guessing the State cannot bring in how they believe she came to have the gun because if she stole it, it's a crime, if she didn't and filed a report it was stolen it's a crime so it would be prior bad acts can not be admitted. Even though she hasn't been charged I don't think they can bring that part in. jmo

I'm remembering something about a conversation between Nurmi and JM - it may have been a mistrial argument???
It was where Juan was listing :the stolen gun, the dyed hair, the gas cans, ect - listing the premeditation facts.
I think at that point Nurmi brings up taking the charge of felony murder off the table.
Sorry, I can't link it - can't remember when I heard it.

OK - OCE just answered my question. Too quick on the draw with that. lol

 

[StephanieHartPI]

It was ejected when the gun was fired. The casing landed on top of a blood pool. If the gun had been fired before the stabbing occurred, the blood would be all over the casing.

MOO

Good thought, unless when she got him back into the bathroom she kicked it and it landed on the blood pool.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Obviously anyone making that claims know little of how computers store data even though the user thinks it is deleted.

MOO

Bless their hearts :floorlaugh:
(said with the greatest Southern meaning possible, hehe)

 

[Isabelle]

I was talking about whether his written report constrained his verbal opinion about the order of things. From what I'm hearing, it did not.

I haven't heard anything on that. I think the report was online and there was nothing related to sequence of events.

 

[SkiptomyLu]

Goodnight all! Thanks for the great comments, insight, and info...

My 4 y.o. (still awake) doesn't think WS is as interesting as I do

 

[lil_buddy]

She did testify to that. She said she was engaging in sex with him to help him with his sexual problems and make him more normal. :what::what::what:

I thought it was less explicit and more backhandedly implied, but I'll admit to not being able to pay close attention to all her testimony.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Not that we know of. I'm pretty certain the defense would have been skywriting it if there were.


No, that HAS been discussed here. Jodi's pretty much alluded to it in her own testimony. She was selflessly sacrificing her own body to 'help' Travis. Hence the discussion.

What's frightening... I have worse sexual images on my own computer than Travis had on his!

Granted.... The pictures I have are if Travis and Jodi... But still!

And after all the trials I've followed and things I've looked up... My husband best not die suspiciously! I'll be a goner if they search my computer histories!


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[fabvab]

She did testify to that. She said she was engaging in sex with him to help him with his sexual problems and make him more normal. :what::what::what:

:doh: And she learned this cure from those pamphlets? What a psycho crazy wacko... Her punishment = cure incarcerated pedophiles.

 

[borndem]

OMG!

TruTv going to 2 hrs 9-11 on March 4!! That's only 2 weeks away. Maybe HLN will pick up the trial? Otherwise, we'll miss Juan's cross.

We'll just have to watch ABC live or one of the rest on our puters.

I'm glad Vinnie will have the show, but I think this is a big mistake on the part of TRU-TV. Viewership by folks like us -- and there are LOTS of us -- will drop away and they will not enjoy anything like whatever ratings they have now, IMO. Oh, well, I guess business is business. <smh>

Fooey.

 

[dgfred]

It was ejected when the gun was fired. The casing landed on top of a blood pool. If the gun had been fired before the stabbing occurred, the blood would be all over the casing.

MOO

Or it was kicked or knocked there sometime during the struggle.

Or it was cleaned off and tossed away by someone during a clean-up.

Or it was ejected from the gun when it finally was unjammed.

Or the ninjas threw it over there... just kidding but I am not exactly sure I want to set it to an exact time.

 

[minor4th]

Thanks. That's what I thought. Since the report was silent and the point of his testimony was dp qualification, I believe that was the reason he (somewhat equivocally) supported the stabbed first scenario. I think another expert could just as reasonably conclude that Travis was shot first. So, back to the original point, now that dp considerations are resolved, will it help the State to stick with stabbed first? I really don't think so. In fact, I think it's the major weakness in its case, if there is one.

Well, I don't think Horn is going to change his testimony, and I don't think he was equivocal at all. He said he was sure the bullet would have gone through the brain.

I think the state would have had a little easier time of it if Horn had concluded that the gunshot was first -- and that's a pretty good indication that he did not tailor his testimony for the benefit of the state. If the state could theorize that the gunshot came first, then it's really easy to see that Jodi went above and beyond what would have been necessary to defend herself, even if a jury could somehow imagine that such defense was initially necessary.

However, the state is going with what the only evidence is, and that is the scientific testimony from Horn. And as many have said before me - it doesn't matter because it's clear that there was some time that Jodi was continually stabbing Travis and that he was trying to defend himself.