Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #38 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Mrs G Norris]

On the tire slashing, that is usually accomplished with a simple puncture to the sidewall. Little strength is required, especially if the blade is sharp. Though puncture to/through the tread portion of a tire can be inexpensively repaired, sidewall damage cannot.

TA had to replace his tires once JA engaged in her "psycho behaviors", as she phrased it on the stand last week, IIRC.

You know if a man had done this to a woman she would have known there was more violence coming and that she was being stalked. If a man came into a woman's home through her doggie door, she would know her safety was in danger and more was coming. Men need to be educated about impending danger from ex-lovers and how to keep themselves safe just as women are in my opinion. They think they are safe because in general society still paints women as victims and men as aggressors. Female on male violence in relationships is unreported and not discussed because men don't discuss it - they may call a woman a 'bunny boiler' for instance, but I doubt many men in that situation actually fear for their safety, in my experience they tend to make a joke of the whole situation instead.

Men I know who have been assaulted by women inside relationships (my DH included) will, once the BIG assault happens, go back and review the past and analyse the pattern, and see the control, the isolating, the blaming etc .. but until something happens that clearly shows that she is dangerous to HIM they just think that the two of them have bad fights that turn ugly, and that he is a full participant in that happening.

 

[PASA]

I won't post anything again that contradicts the ME, even if it was just an opinion. To say that there is a rule everyone must agree with every Expert Witness or anyone that was at the crime scene. well, ok.

That's not how crimes are solved, that is not how anyone gets at the truth.

Again, I won't say another word about the ME.

I see nothing wrong with discussing your opinion. I feel one way about it, but reading other opinions causes me to think, and consider the other side.

MOO

 

[shelley921]

:furious: I would really love for the Mesa PD to haul Gus Searcy in. Claiming Jodi called him the night Travis was murdered and told him Travis is dead. What is wrong with him? Doesn't he understand that he had a legal duty to call the police if what he is saying is true? He has the nerve to complain that the prosecutor did not contact him but he should have been on the phone before a prosecutor was ever involved making a police report. That is something he could have done right over the phone. He did not need anyone to call him in order to give the information he held.

I know, it's probably not even true but I do not care. The law is the law and he should be held accountable when he opens his mouth and says such things. Imagine if it was true. Imagine what we might know had Travis been pulled from that shower 4 days earlier.

:moo: :moo: :moo: :moo: :moo: :moo:

I know..he says Jodi called him at 3 in the morning saying Travis is dead. He says he asks her "what happened?" and she said she didn't know. and then he asks her are you all right and do you need a ride? wouldn't you ask "how do you know he is dead?" or "did you see him dead?". he didn't ask that. and he says the next day he left for the cancun trip that Travis was supposed to be going on. But I thought the trip wasn't until the 10th of June?

 

[shelley921]

You know if a man had done this to a woman she would have known there was more violence coming and that she was being stalked. If a man came into a woman's home through her doggie door, she would know her safety was in danger and more was coming. Men need to be educated about impending danger from ex-lovers and how to keep themselves safe just as women are in my opinion. They think they are safe because in general society still paints women as victims and men as aggressors. Female on male violence in relationships is unreported and not discussed because men don't discuss it - they may call a woman a 'bunny boiler' for instance, but I doubt many men in that situation actually fear for their safety, in my experience they tend to make a joke of the whole situation instead.

Men I know who have been assaulted by women inside relationships (my DH included) will, once the BIG assault happens, go back and review the past and analyse the pattern, and see the control, the isolating, the blaming etc .. but until something happens that clearly shows that she is dangerous to HIM they just think that the two of them have bad fights that turn ugly, and that he is a full participant in that happening.

yes indeed men need to be educated and perhaps this tragedy can be a cautionary tale for men everywhere.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

This is too funny. Was at my friends and we were talking about Jodi and the "Travis told me anal sex didn't count as sex" and then "Travis said sex under H2O didn't count".

Her mother was listening and her grandmother was cooking.
Granny, God love her, came and said "who's this friend called Jodi....don't she have any brains???" "She gonna listen to this Travis, what is she, stupit...she can't think??"
Now, wait for it...."if this boy tell her to jump off the bridge, she gonna do it??"

Hmmmm...even Granny saw her commin' a mile away....and she's an 80 year old little Italian lady....LOL

 

[panthera]

HLN just giving it to JA at the moment .. making a mockery of her abuse. Now it's how her parents didn't praise her 'art' enough. Well I'm not surprised, her 'art' is not that flash!

Watched that last evening and it was on again this morning. Yes, time for her parents to be thrown under the bus.........

:doh:

 

[LadyEdith]

:furious: I would really love for the Mesa PD to haul Gus Searcy in. Claiming Jodi called him the night Travis was murdered and told him Travis is dead. What is wrong with him? Doesn't he understand that he had a legal duty to call the police if what he is saying is true? He has the nerve to complain that the prosecutor did not contact him but he should have been on the phone before a prosecutor was ever involved making a police report. That is something he could have done right over the phone. He did not need anyone to call him in order to give the information he held.

I know, it's probably not even true but I do not care. The law is the law and he should be held accountable when he opens his mouth and says such things. Imagine if it was true. Imagine what we might know had Travis been pulled from that shower 4 days earlier.

:moo: :moo: :moo: :moo: :moo: :moo:

It shows some greatness of mind on the part of JM that he didn't dirty his hands with GS. After GS went on several national TV shows and asserted JA called him the night of the murder, when it was probably the night Travis was FOUND, his "credibility" as a witness is non-existant. JM must have seen this type of guy plenty of times during his career. My question is did JM ever talk to him (by phone)? If not I wonder how he figured out Gus was a "must to avoid".

 

[FrayedKnot]

I believe WS should pass a new rule requiring posters to post the amount of autopsies they've performed before refuting the testimonies of credible medical examiners.

I believe we were told by the Mods that we were allowed to discuss this. No mention was made of requiring credentials. :waitasec:

There are a lot of us also discussing and critiquing the attorneys, judge, etc. Should this thread be limited only to people who have previously tried/defended/presided over a murder case?

 

[Stolat]

Sorry if these two observations have already been addressed, but it is so hard to keep up with reading all of your insightful - and often hilarious! - posts.

Here are my two thoughts:
1) Jodi had six unaccounted hours in her trip from Mesa to meet Ryan in SLC. This assumes she waited to turn on her cell (and leave Travis a message & listen to his voicemails @ approx. 11:50 pm) until she reached Nevada. The trip from Las Vegas to Salt Lake is just under seven hours. I'm thinking she may have stayed with Gus in his "trailer" for those few hours to rest up for her trip to see Ryan.

2) I am CONVINCED that the phone sex call was taped for future purposes. Twice on the tape she asks him to repeat himself, both with the "12-year-old girl comment" and one other damning statement (which, sorry I can't recall at the moment but I'm sure someone else here will remember). In fact, it sounds like she turns off the "fake" moaning when she says "Like a what?"

Just MHO. Thanks for letting me chime in....

To your second point, I completely agree!!! I caught that as well (as did others here) that she kept prompting him to repeat himself on incriminating statements. Like a bad Law & Order episode where someone is wearing a wire trying to tape a confession and they have to make sure to get the perp to state the right things to warrant prosecution. And yeah, the immediate pauses in her fake orgasms were shamefully transparent.

 

[nursebeeme]

This is too funny. Was at my friends and we were talking about Jodi and the "Travis told me anal sex didn't count as sex" and then "Travis said sex under H2O didn't count".

Her mother was listening and her grandmother was cooking.
Granny, God love her, came and said "who's this friend called Jodi....don't she have any brains???" "She gonna listen to this Travis, what is she, stupit...she can't think??"
Now, wait for it...."if this boy tell her to jump off the bridge, she gonna do it??"

Hmmmm...even Granny saw her commin' a mile away....and she's an 80 year old little Italian lady....LOL

Go Granny! :rocker:

(fwiw I think the jury will get it too...)

 

[Frigga]

Sorry if these two observations have already been addressed, but it is so hard to keep up with reading all of your insightful - and often hilarious! - posts.

Here are my two thoughts:
1) Jodi had six unaccounted hours in her trip from Mesa to meet Ryan in SLC. This assumes she waited to turn on her cell (and leave Travis a message & listen to his voicemails @ approx. 11:50 pm) until she reached Nevada. The trip from Las Vegas to Salt Lake is just under seven hours. I'm thinking she may have stayed with Gus in his "trailer" for those few hours to rest up for her trip to see Ryan.

2) I am CONVINCED that the phone sex call was taped for future purposes. Twice on the tape she asks him to repeat himself, both with the "12-year-old girl comment" and one other damning statement (which, sorry I can't recall at the moment but I'm sure someone else here will remember). In fact, it sounds like she turns off the "fake" moaning when she says "Like a what?"

Just MHO. Thanks for letting me chime in....

It was quite notable in the sex tape PenElaine, thanks for pointing it out. It stuck out to me too. Her voice changes from sexy and masturbating, to "what was that?" in a normal voice. Who would do that and stop the flow during a mutual-maturbation session over the phone? NO ONE!

Who cares what was said- his voice was sexy- it is the fantasy in your mind and the voice of your partner you want- not repeated facts!

What really stuck out to me (besides what you mentioned) was when she stumbled on her words, back to a completely normal voice again after Travis says that she introduced him to KY, and that he had never used it before- she goes into a ridiculous diatribe how she never had before, and then caught herself and gave a lame explanation.

The whole tone and flow of this phone conversation is bizarre and contrived and will be part of her undoing.

The jury can listen to it as many times as they like (I think they will at least once) and it will clearly show them who was in control of this conversation and exactly what that person wanted elicited out of it.

I cannot wait for cross examination. Juan is going to make all of us, including Travis and his loved ones, very proud.

 

[nursebeeme]

I believe we were told by the Mods that we were allowed to discuss this. No mention was made of requiring credentials. :waitasec:

There are a lot of us also discussing and critiquing the attorneys, judge, etc. Should this thread be limited only to people who have previously tried/defended/presided over a murder case?

just jumping off your post:

Yes. All opinions are allowed.

also: we have a "sequence of events" thread and poll where this is also being discussed (there are a lot of good points, arguments, etc on that thread)

 

[panthera]

I know..he says Jodi called him at 3 in the morning saying Travis is dead. He says he asks her "what happened?" and she said she didn't know. and then he asks her are you all right and do you need a ride? wouldn't you ask "how do you know he is dead?" or "did you see him dead?". he didn't ask that. and he says the next day he left for the cancun trip that Travis was supposed to be going on. But I thought the trip wasn't until the 10th of June?

Wasn't the call at 3:00am after Travis' body was discovered and someone told her he had been killed, which was a few days after the murder on June 4? That would make sense with him leaving on the 10th.

That said, however, I don't find him completely believable.

MOO

 

[LambChop]

I know..he says Jodi called him at 3 in the morning saying Travis is dead. He says he asks her "what happened?" and she said she didn't know. and then he asks her are you all right and do you need a ride? wouldn't you ask "how do you know he is dead?" or "did you see him dead?". he didn't ask that. and he says the next day he left for the cancun trip that Travis was supposed to be going on. But I thought the trip wasn't until the 10th of June?

What I don't get is he called the DA a number of times and never told them anything other than he had some information they might be interested in. Why not just tell them? For someone in a business that relies on communication he does not appear to communicate well. Even when he is speaking to JVM he does not make himself clear as to when she told him because he keeps saying the next day Travis was suppose to go on the same trip to Cancun. Also JVM did not help because she said the body was discovered on June 4th. He also slipped and said he called her(Jodi). :waitasec: jmo

 

[StephanieHartPI]

M.E. testimony up. Started shortly into Defense questions, but runs to the very end...(in the other thread)

Jodi Arias recorded statements and interviews - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Pink Panther]

she had a long conversation with her mother on surveillance before being arrested. she must have told her mother about the gun she hid in the rental car and forgot about. i just wonder which rental car this was and the whole story behind it.

You mean they taped her talking with her mother??? Has this been released?

 

[Sydni]

Jury knows nothing about tire slashing, nothing about second gun and knives when arrested. And while stalking has been alluded to.... Nothing definitive yet. I do believe Jodi opened that door with her comments on the stand last week about the psycho things she did according to Travis. Now Juan can ask her to elaborate on those .....then in rebuttal impeach whatever bull crap she says with actual witnesses and emails Travis sent her.


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I agree. I believe that Juan is letting her rattle off as much crap as possible so that he will have a wealth of information (an arsenal) to draw from in his rebuttal case. I believe she keeps opening doors with every little thing she says in her "sweet, innocent, little 12-yr-old girl voice. I cannot wait for the "Juan" show. I am not one bit worried that she is swaying jurors - that will ALL be undone in cross-examination and rebuttal. MOO

 

[TartLemon]

I wonder what was going through JA's mind waiting for her crime to be discovered. For 4 days she had to wait. Then, who would call HER and why would they even think of calling her?

How did JA find out when TA was discovered?

 

[nursebeeme]

Wasn't the call at 3:00am after Travis' body was discovered and someone told her he had been killed, which was a few days after the murder on June 4? That would make sense with him leaving on the 10th.

That said, however, I don't find him completely believable.

MOO

if Gus had anything that either side deemed helpful he would not have been released from subpoena :twocents::moo::twocents:

the man is milking his 1.5 seconds of fame imhoo.

 

[LambChop]

Wasn't the call at 3:00am after Travis' body was discovered and someone told her he had been killed, which was a few days after the murder on June 4? That would make sense with him leaving on the 10th.

That said, however, I don't find him completely believable.

MOO

Gus is just not clear about the whole sequence of events. What it sounds like he is saying is that Jodi called him on June 5th but he never questioned it until she was arrested. Both Sky and Chris were on that same trip I can't imagine nothing was mentioned to him. jmo