Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #38 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[LambChop]

Defense is trying to portray Travis as a "jerk" because of his religion. Religion has nothing to do with this trial. It has nothing to do with why she killed him. Jodi tried to control Travis with the oldest trick in the book, temptation. And he fell for it. There is nothing that went on that has been done by millions of couples millions of times. I think he did like her, a lot. But she did not fit in with his friends, family and religious beliefs. Had Jodi kept away from using sex to "get" him to like her, she could have had a better relationship with him and he could have ended up marrying her. All she had to do was follow the rules. She was already there. He was interested in her enough to invite her to the Hughes' home after her breakup with DB. If she had used her head instead of her body I think she would have won Travis' heart for sure. I don't think he disliked what he was doing with her, I just think he knew he could not continue. That is why he had no problem letting her in his home. Deanna had no problems coming and going from Travis' home and she was his ex so I'm sure Jodi expected the same considerations from Travis, except with all the benefits. I bet he told her this was their last time together and that they both needed to move on. Let's face it ladies, sometimes men just get goofy when it comes to sex. Birds do, bees do it, even educated fleas do it, and it doesn't make them jerks. Goofy, yes. What is important to remember is who was he outside the bedroom.

Does anyone think that the story about the mormon working with PPL, who spent 2 hours in the car with Jodi and wanted to leave his wife, got back to Travis? One of Travis' friends is the one who told NG the story. I can't believe he would not have shared that with Travis and that could be why many of his friends did not like her. They may have considered her a predator. jmo

 

[popsicle]

Ever seen the HLN ad of NGs show? She says she likes that she can "make a difference". Huh?

There are a lot of things to complain about in regards to NG, but I respect her for being a voice for the many victims out there that have no voice.

 

[momof7]

Jodi consented and was into it. That is blatantly obvious from the tapes. Listen to the whole thing...then listen to DB's testimony of what they did before she ever met Travis. Disrespectful to her???? She was INTO it! It was consensual. Regardless of what anyone thinks of it...these were two people having a consensual relationship. SHE didn't have any issue doing the stuff she and DB did together with Travis....until of course she came into a DP trial again had to start playing a victim to save her own skin.
And you're also assuming Jodi is normal and a nice little firm talking to is going to make her go away. Easy to say. Not so easy if the other is such a psycho/sociopath that they don't cooperate. BritsKate can speak from experience about how hard it is to try and get rid of someone like that.


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IMHO, JA used sexuality as a manipulating tool. There is no feeling involved when it comes to sex for her. Maybe with TA she felt a little of that, but I don't personally believe its possible. For her sex is love, love is sex.

Just from listening to that tape, I would say she definitely was the aggressor. They weren't even in the same State, how can she even possibly say she was afraid or victimized and had to to do that to keep TA happy.

While I hang on the fence on whether there will be a guilty verdict for the DP, I am sure she will be found guilty. All this sex/victim stuff is for confusion. When we get to the part of the trail where they discuss the crime itself and then JM gets to have his shot, I think the jury will see what exactly they are dealing with. She may seem mousy, but JA is definitely evil underneath it all. There is no doubt in my mind she can not explain away 27 stab wounds, a cut throat and a gunshot wound as being afraid. Just does't fit. Overkill. IMHO

Kelly

 

[DenverClipper]

O/T but I thought I would throw this out and see if one of the many legal experts here could elaborate further on this idea please.

All of us here have been speculating on how JA will explain her actions on that fateful day. Just how was it self defense? I for one dont think the defense can weave a credible tale of the events that day that the jury will believe. So that leads me to wondering.

Is it possible that Nurmi will rest BEFORE recounting that day? I mean what if they decide not to talk about it? Could that be a strategy? And if so, would Juan be forbidden then to question her about June 4th?

I am wondering if their plan is to portray JA as an abused woman and Travis as an abuser and leave it at that. What do they have to lose by not trying to explain the evidence of premeditation?

What if their entire strategy is to merely save her life having concluded already that the jury will convict her. LWOP?

I would really like to know what happened in that bathroom on that day but we probably never will.

 

[chakti]

I can't believe I'm gonna say this but, I would like to hear more about her child hood. I would like JM to ask her what SHE had done for her dad to push her or her mom to BEAT her with a wooden spoon.

 

[shelley921]

Defense is trying to portray Travis as a "jerk" because of his religion. Religion has nothing to do with this trial. It has nothing to do with why she killed him. Jodi tried to control Travis with the oldest trick in the book, temptation. And he fell for it. There is nothing that went on that has been done by millions of couples millions of times. I think he did like her, a lot. But she did not fit in with his friends, family and religious beliefs. Had Jodi kept away from using sex to "get" him to like her, she could have had a better relationship with him and he could have ended up marrying her. All she had to do was follow the rules. She was already there. He was interested in her enough to invite her to the Hughes' home after her breakup with DB. If she had used her head instead of her body I think she would have won Travis' heart for sure. I don't think he disliked what he was doing with her, I just think he knew he could not continue. That is why he had no problem letting her in his home. Deanna had no problems coming and going from Travis' home and she was his ex so I'm sure Jodi expected the same considerations from Travis, except with all the benefits. I bet he told her this was their last time together and that they both needed to move on. Let's face it ladies, sometimes men just get goofy when it comes to sex. Birds do, bees do it, even educated fleas do it, and it doesn't make them jerks. Goofy, yes. What is important to remember is who was he outside the bedroom.

Does anyone think that the story about the mormon working with PPL, who spent 2 hours in the car with Jodi and wanted to leave his wife, got back to Travis? One of Travis' friends is the one who told NG the story. I can't believe he would not have shared that with Travis and that could be why many of his friends did not like her. They may have considered her a predator. jmo

This is good and I agree with most of it. But like momof7 says for Jodi sex is love and love is sex. Maybe for BOTH Travis and Jodi sex was confused with love.
My mom gave me a great piece of advice when I was about 17 that helped me in my twenties . She said that sex itself can create “romantic” feelings in a woman that can mimic the feelings of love. Often women feel they are in love with a man after they have been having sex, whereas they may not have felt that way if they had left sex out of it. In short, if you want to trust your feelings of “am I in love?” then you probably should leave sex out of it until you are sure. She also explained to me that many men can and will have sex with a women they do not respect, yet most women will need to respect a man in some way before having sex with him. So just because a man wants to have sex with you, don't think he respects you.

I think that "real" love is forged in the flames of enduring trying times together. Working through problems together.
That is why it's best not to get sexually attached prematurely. Infatuation or enchantment or attraction are great - but these things are
NOT what healthy relationships are based on.

I think that a teenage girl whose parents have instilled within her a strong sense of dignity, confidence & commitment to goodness thinks way too much of herself and of LOVE
to ever consider cheapening things through "casual" sex.

self love is always the limiting factor in loving others.
you will never feel loved if you do not love yourself.

self hatred is the hidden underbelly of almost all the violence & nastiness in the world.

NOT loving ourselves makes it hard to let others really love us.

There are "bad" people - yes-but i think there are also a lot of very
badly loved people. feeling love circulating through you makes you want to celebrate and nurture life - not destroy it.
was jodi a bad person or a badly loved person? or both?

 

[Sustained]

O/T but I thought I would throw this out and see if one of the many legal experts here could elaborate further on this idea please.

All of us here have been speculating on how JA will explain her actions on that fateful day. Just how was it self defense? I for one dont think the defense can weave a credible tale of the events that day that the jury will believe. So that leads me to wondering.

Is it possible that Nurmi will rest BEFORE recounting that day? I mean what if they decide not to talk about it? Could that be a strategy? And if so, would Juan be forbidden then to question her about June 4th?

I am wondering if their plan is to portray JA as an abused woman and Travis as an abuser and leave it at that. What do they have to lose by not trying to explain the evidence of premeditation?

What if their entire strategy is to merely save her life having concluded already that the jury will convict her. LWOP?

I would really like to know what happened in that bathroom on that day but we probably never will.

I don't think they will rest before testifying about the events of the 4th. She has already testified that she killed him in self-defense. I could be wrong, but I would think that opens the door for JM to question her at the "self-defense" and how/why/when/where it happened. The DT has nothing to lose at this point so they will concoct a story to explain the motive and brutality of the slaying. All of this other testimony is to just humanize her in front of a jury who most likely has already made up its collective mind about her guilt as to 1st degree premeditated murder.

 

[ladonna]

I can't believe I'm gonna say this but, I would like to hear more about her child hood. I would like JM to ask her what SHE had done for her dad to push her or her mom to BEAT her with a wooden spoon.

Yet in her 48 Hours interview, Jodi described her childhood as ideal.

I think the defense has now morphed her ideal childhood into the Mommie Dearest* defense.

 

[TartLemon]

Wow DenverClipper. Interesting twist. I can't give any legal answers, but it was a startling thought.

 

[Quester]

I can't believe I'm gonna say this but, I would like to hear more about her child hood. I would like JM to ask her what SHE had done for her dad to push her or her mom to BEAT her with a wooden spoon.

:noooo: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Pls no!

For JA to answer just those two simple questions, it would take another full [AZ court time] week!

Just say no to that thought! :lol:

 

[rose222]

I don't think they will rest before testifying about the events of the 4th. She has already testified that she killed him in self-defense. I could be wrong, but I would think that opens the door for JM to question her at the "self-defense" and how/why/when/where it happened. The DT has nothing to lose at this point so they will concoct a story to explain the motive and brutality of the slaying. All of this other testimony is to just humanize her in front of a jury who most likely has already made up its collective mind about her guilt as to 1st degree premeditated murder.

I think it's a possibility because their case is so weak. The less they say the better. I'm pretty sure that JM can question her about that day. I think she'll try to appear dazed, weak and forgetful. I expect some shaking, shivering and crying too. It should be interesting to see what sort of act she puts up when JM is finally given his chance.

 

[momof7]

I can't believe I'm gonna say this but, I would like to hear more about her child hood. I would like JM to ask her what SHE had done for her dad to push her or her mom to BEAT her with a wooden spoon.

Honestly, I think she will never accept responsibility for the 'wrongs' she has done. When she testified to being grounded (poor pitiful her) for sneaking out at night she appeared to think the punishment was bad, not the act of leaving her home in the middle of the night to do whatever she was doing.

Normal teenage behavior with punishment when caught to show the normal teen how wrong it is. She has no idea what is right and what is wrong. She can't empathize with her parents feelings she could have been hurt or worse. That they were concerned and it was wrong for her to do so. Its ad nauseum throughout her testimony. She was right, they abused her, she found a guy, she did everything from working 2 jobs and taking care of them financially to staying friends after 'they' decided to part. All of them cheated. It goes on and on and on that she was always the victim. So much talking during her testimony and I can't imagine the jurors haven't noticed like we have that she is ALWAYS the one who does everything right and the parent/men have done everything wrong.

Personally, I believe that at the very least she was a very defiant child. Not that she should be abused, put so far (dating myself in the age category) getting hit with a wooden spoon doesn't seem so bad. Many my age can testify to much worse in our day. In the end, IMHO, if she is found guilty (and imho she will) 5 years from now we will hear from her again. Only this time she will have stories have great childhood sexual abuse and that is why she became who he was. Ala CA. She will learn many things there in the big house on how to continue this story.

Kelly

 

[LambChop]

But none of those people dated him. I'm not sayin Travis was a bad PERSON, just a bad boyfriend. I know everyone has their own sexual fantasies, but I find his disrespectful. Jodi was obviously not a strong/stable woman, so she consented to anything he wanted. But Travis did lead a double life -- as the perfect guy to his friends, and as a sexual bad boy in private. I also think he should have been more direct/firm/honest with Jodi instead of letting her back in again and again for sex.

That said, anything he may have done pales in comparison to the evil that is Jodi Arias.

He wasn't her boyfriend at the time. He did maintain friendships with his ex's and they were often at his home. All his friends had no problems just walking into the home, whether he was there or not. That is a very, very trusting person. How was he disrespectful when she was the one making the tape? It's illegal in California to tape a conversation with someone without their knowledge. Yet she did so. We have no idea what their sex talk was like previously. She may have told him she liked it when he talked dirty to her. By Jodi's own admission she would go to his bedroom and climb into his bed after driving hundreds of miles to see him. What single male will turn down sex? There may be some reasons not to, but somehow a male will justify it in their mind. For centuries it has always been the responsibility of the woman to say no. Jodi was a free-spirit, was not going to say no and sometimes a man's resistence is too low. It doesn't make what he did wrong when they both agreed to engage in sexual activities.

Defense is trying to get jurors to think in a manner that Travis was wrong in what he was doing and that he was violent with her about it. It's reported Travis had talked to his priest about his relationship with her so it was not a big dark secret to the church if this is true. We can see by the pictures that Travis does not look angry that she is there. Not even that last picture of him alive where he looks so sad. He's the victim and Jodi planned to kill him. Now she wants to tarnish his memory. I just don't think we should just buy into anything she is saying unless there is proof.

This is something I just happened to think of. Anyone remember the picture Jodi took of Darryl in the pool with his mean face. Kind of strange to think about that picture now when we know she taped Travis without his knowledge. Wonder what type of plan she may have had for Darryl if things did not pan out for her? Jodi leaving Darryl may be the best thing that every happened to him. jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

[video=youtube;76clRq1lAwc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76clRq1lAwc[/video]
watching this. I like to watch people's body language, she can not keep her legs closed. just an observation

Just from what I have seen of jodi at trial and the interrogation video's she was a woman scorned. She seemed to know that he wanted nothing to do with her as far as being marriage material yet continued to see him and throw herself at him. I never understood these women and always thought poorly of them.

Travis to me seemed to be a complicated/confused man. I am not sure how seriously he took his religion, evidently not seriously enough.

 

[Pink Panther]

I don't know if this video has been posted. If so, sorry for the repeat. I didn't make much of it at first but it's short; watch it a couple of times. Do you catch the little gleeful smile she covers so quickly? She's enjoying all of this and that little gleeful smile is the creepiest!

The link is from the State Vs. Jodi Arias Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=vb.160510210691796&type=2

ETA - If anyone knows how to freezeframe that; it would be really interesting to see.

 

[Nosey Parker]

Re the deadly weapons, I heard some TH the other day say he expected the defense to say she brought them because she finally realized how 'dangerous' he was, so she brought them just in case. But in her pretend-abused little mind, she drove to his house in stealth mode because - she still 'wuvved him! (groan), even though she felt completely controlled by him. She thought she'd try one last time to see if she could 'change' him into being sweet and selfless - (you know, like her). Gag me with a stick... I don't even like writing stuff like that! Grrr...

As we all know, this DT has no boundaries and will do/say/allow JA to say any and everything. I'm actually sick of watching her testify, but I won't stop . It's simultaneously boring and shockingly insulting at the same time, imv. Quite a feat.

Actually the only part I heard on tv was the first part - about her being afraid of him. The rest just sort of came spilling out of my head.

Even so, I'm not worried. JM is going to turn this thing around - this point in a trial is always the DT's moment in the sun, and I think they're prolonging it in an attempt to get jurors to sympathize with JA - not through her mind-numbing monotone drone of nonsense - but by osmosis. Have her close to them for so long in hopes that they'll feel like they know her - you know, like sitting next to a person on a flight that's stuck on the tarmac for a few hours. followed by a 12 hour flight... through proximity, discomfort, feeling stranded and being side by side for so many hours - a connection is made, however fleeting or superficial or made simply to fend off boredom...

DT doesn't care why or how long a juror might connect w/the defendant on some level, but they are making her familiar to them, which I'm not overjoyed about, but my confidence in JM is pretty unshakable thus far.

BBM. Perverted Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Random question: How did Ryan Byrnes know Jodi had "close to a six-pack" on her abs if their clothes remained on?

He admits to kissing her naked stomach


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[shantastic]

In his testimony, he said he "kissed her stomach;" Pants and shirts may have not come "off", but he definitely got hers "up" high enough (or open enough) to get up close and personal with her tum button.

That's completely doable. It's really easy to keep the arms covered and the belly exposed when there are buttons running down the front of your shirt.

If you're implying that you think they went further than Burns (sp?) testified to - in open Court - with his new wife sitting right there - I'm going to have to wholeheartedly agree with you!

Wait one stinkin' minute! His new wife was in the courtroom??? I hadn't heard that! That must have been an awkward drive home. *cringe*

 

[LambChop]

Honestly, I think she will never accept responsibility for the 'wrongs' she has done. When she testified to being grounded (poor pitiful her) for sneaking out at night she appeared to think the punishment was bad, not the act of leaving her home in the middle of the night to do whatever she was doing.

Normal teenage behavior with punishment when caught to show the normal teen how wrong it is. She has no idea what is right and what is wrong. She can't empathize with her parents feelings she could have been hurt or worse. That they were concerned and it was wrong for her to do so. Its ad nauseum throughout her testimony. She was right, they abused her, she found a guy, she did everything from working 2 jobs and taking care of them financially to staying friends after 'they' decided to part. All of them cheated. It goes on and on and on that she was always the victim. So much talking during her testimony and I can't imagine the jurors haven't noticed like we have that she is ALWAYS the one who does everything right and the parent/men have done everything wrong.

Personally, I believe that at the very least she was a very defiant child. Not that she should be abused, put so far (dating myself in the age category) getting hit with a wooden spoon doesn't seem so bad. Many my age can testify to much worse in our day. In the end, IMHO, if she is found guilty (and imho she will) 5 years from now we will hear from her again. Only this time she will have stories have great childhood sexual abuse and that is why she became who he was. Ala CA. She will learn many things there in the big house on how to continue this story.

Kelly

I think the fact that her father would disconnect something in the car engine is a red flag that she was, indeed, a very defiant young woman. jmo

 

[Linda From New York]

I follow a new (?) Joey Jackson fan page on Facebook.

There was mention of changes for In Session on TruTv. So I googled to see what changes they were talking about and came across this:

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/trutv-cutting-in-session-to-two-hours-a-day_b167293

Only 2 hours a day?