Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 7TH DAY #42 *may contain graphic and adult content*

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Still not caught up with the thread but I gotta ask . . . .
FrayedKnot . . . . did you name yourself after my all time favorite joke?

(So a piece of string walks into a bar . . . . )

I did. And it is also MY all-time favorite joke.:great: Much to my family's chagrin. :blushing:

I say poo to them! After all, puns are the lowest form of wit and therefore the foundation of all wit. (Old saying, not mine, lol)
 
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I think it was apart of her torturing him. He would have never allowed it, otherwise.

Torturing him started with the first stab or shot and continued until he was dead. You're presuming he knew about the pictures being taken, it isn't a verified fact. Since a flash wasn't being used for several of the pics it could be he had no idea she was there taking pics, until those final ones where he's looking at her.
 
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The only rage Travis ever had was the frustration of trying to rid his life of JA. It is impossible to explain what these types can do to a person. He, at some level, knew his life depended on how he treated her. He was the one who gave in to her. I am convinced he went along with the sex to keep her happy....not the other way around. He was afraid if she got angry, she could kill (subconscious). She is the one that uses sex to decompress, not him.
I just wanted to thank you. I keep trying to explain it from my perspective and mightily failing. A relationship with a psychopath defies definition in many respects.

For me, I believe he continued to have sex with her as a reaction to the innuendo and implication part and parcel of the psychopath's manipulative toolbag. Whether it was to keep her happy, to keep her from sending that tape out, to keep himself safe, to keep her from killing herself, etc.

It was very much implied when I was in my marriage that refusal or hesitance to 'allow' certain things would only lead to my ex finding someone who would be more complacent. He manipulated my desire for a meaningful, intimate relationship and my fear of abandonment as regular procedure. The fear of abandonment stemmed from being told for years I could not survive without him, no one else would ever be able to tolerate me, I lacked common sense needed to make it in the world, etc. There was an inherent sense of 'If I truly loved him, I would acquiesce'. Sex with a psychopath leads to feelings of worthlessness, confusion, and an insatiable hunger for something more meaningful. It, in my experience, is cold, clinical, and calculating. Travis' 'dildo with a heartbeat' comment rings so true because the sense you are nothing but an object to them is absolutely palpable. (Unless pretense of intimacy is necessary for further manipulation.)

The more I tolerated sexually though the more bizarre and personally deviant his desires became. At the end of our marriage his 'requests' and suggestions would include, but not be limited to, costumes, role-playing, sex in public, and he even had the audacity to beg me to have sex with his best friend. Had I relented, I have no doubt he would have utilized anything inappropriate I did to the best of his ability as a weapon.

It wasn't a healthy sexual relationship but rather a study in seeing how far he could push me, how much he could demean me, and how he could twist that to make me feel even worse about myself. Once there, it was a vicious but simple cycle to keep me believing I somehow deserved the relationship or would be lost without it. It became a further means of exerting and maintaining control.

Ironically though my psychopath hated sex. It was very simply a tool. He viewed any intimacy simply as a means of gain. Sex particularly was viewed as a dirty and unclean experience. (Jodi's testimony of Travis saying 'Go clean yourself up' brought back sudden, severe memories of my ex getting as far away from me, as fast as possible, to do just that.) By extension, and at the end of our relationship by his admission, I was also dirty and whorish for ever wanting or enjoying sex.

Just some very personal experiences to hopefully lend some insight as to the 'whys' in this case. I see Jodi wholly capable of manipulating Travis into sex period. But once there, the fact he acquiesced would likely have become a weapon to be used against him in all sorts of ways. It doesn't mean he was 'forced' in the true sense of the word (though by nature I see it as manipulative force) or that he didn't necessarily enjoy sex. It does mean it was a very unhealthy sexual experience that would have given Jodi immense power to further manipulate and control him. FWIW and JMO
 
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Torturing him started with the first stab or shot and continued until he was dead. You're presuming he knew about the pictures being taken, it isn't a verified fact. Since a flash wasn't being used for several of the pics it could be he had no idea she was there taking pics, until those final ones where he's looking at her.

And we can only presume, because she will never tell. I don't believe a word she says, but she did bring up the rope. :waitasec:
 
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Have you seen Mormon Temple Garments for men? Talk about the old 'package" display....really strange looking.
 
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And we can only presume, because she will never tell. I don't believe a word she says, but she did bring up the rope. :waitasec:

If there is enough rope to tie you to a bed there is enough to drag you down a hall.
 
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The Napolean portion of her testimony bothered me, all of it.

First, she is standing there watching Travis and Napolean didn't even know she was there? Then, Napolean "barks, and runs up to me for hugs" (paraphrased). Huh? I've been around dogs my entire life (40 yrs) and I cannot think of any dog barking once and running for hugs. My dogs either barked or whined and it wasn't ever just a "ruff". Strange.

Second, Napolean "always left the room when Travis was angry". Really? My dogs either didn't care or would actively and aggressively get between the two people arguing. If one was a family member and the other was not, the dog(s) would defend the owner/family member (no matter how friendly the dog was in the past with the other person). She mentioned Napolean leaving the room, like a child does when the parents argue.

Third, and the biggest (as my reason for the reply) issue is JA's answer to if TA was alone. She didn't answer immediately, or with looooong drawn out words, like she normally does. She said, "No" (pause) "Napolean was there". That was JA catching herself. She was going to say the name of one of his roommates, but stopped herself and inserted "Napolean".

I believe she caught herself and didn't answer with the roommate's name because she may be asked how does she know (the roommate that was home rides the bus) and her answer would show her 'stalkerish' ways of snooping. Plus, had she admitted to knowing the roommate was there, it would screw up Nurmi's statement about, "She could have killed him when she got there or when he slept or..."(paraphrased).

In fact, it was Nurmi's reaction to her "no" answer that solidified it for me.
I think she was trying to anthropomorphize the dog and make him a human witness.

(epic fail imhoo)
 
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How is Napoleon? How is Jewel? Napoleon was left in that house for five days with no food or water. B*%$
Nothing to fret about ... Napoleon will be eating better than Arias for their rest of their lives ....
 
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About Beth Karas and Jean Caserz --

If the info about their jobs is true, I think it's deplorable. TruTV has gone really down and the channel does not know that it has a base of hard core trial/true crime/Websleuths fans who could really support the channel. It could be another Investigation Discovery, if it had the initiative.

I hope Beth and Jean consider other avenues for their reporting, perhaps something like a webcast, where they could get advertisers? Also, and this is not to disparage Vinnie Politan in any way, why keep him and not the other anchors/reporters?

I really liked CourtTV. The first time I watched a trial on television (Dirk Greinder trial), I was hooked. I will miss it. I hardly watch tv anymore because the quality of tv has really declined.
 
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And we can only presume, because she will never tell. I don't believe a word she says, but she did bring up the rope. :waitasec:

I go with what evidence is found and make no other assumptions about physical artifacts. If rope or rope fibers weren't found (and there's been no testimony that any was aside from that little tassel) and no evidence of rope being used was discovered, and there were no marks on the body suggesting it, then I don't put rope into the mix just because a known liar said it was used. She has no credibility to me, not one bit.
 
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Is there an insomnia smilie....? I'm too wound up to sleep....:brainoffplease:

I had this problem last night too... terrible stuff to listen to all these lies.. I cannot imagine what Travis' family feels like when they head home after a day of her up on that stand blatantly lying (while under oath no doubt).
 
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I think she was trying to anthropomorphize the dog and make him a human witness.

(epic fail imhoo)

I saw a picture of JA laying on her back on the floor, clothed if you can imagine. I wonder if she was 'playing' pet...you know since you like Napoleon so much maybe I need to lay on the floor like a dog.
 
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How many more days and ways can they put off talking about the actual murder I wonder? Yesterday my husband thought I was insane. I kept yelling at the tv get to it already and OMG who cares! lol
 
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Nope. I'm on my iPhone. I'm basically texting


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I am on my iPhone using Tapatalk most of the time I am on WS. Which is why I can't use smilies unless I type 'em in, and can't see everyone's siggies.

Right now, though, I am on iPad and I just view the regular website rather than Tapatalk.

Tapatalk is great for catching up and reading, which is what I mostly do, but not so good for posting and replying. :twocents:
 
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And we can only presume, because she will never tell. I don't believe a word she says, but she did bring up the rope. :waitasec:

if there was rope she most likely brought the rope and also took it with her and threw it out with all the other stuff she got rid of somewhere.

:twocents:
 
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They won't be putting off the murder any more. Today will be the day. Of course it will be a pack of lies and nothing resembling the truth so consider it hours of your life you'll never get back. Until Mr. Juan gets up to do his thing there's nothing of interest happening for me...certainly nothing truthful.
 
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I think she was trying to anthropomorphize the dog and make him a human witness.

(epic fail imhoo)

not to quote my own post but I am thinking about this more.. and really she has been doing it from the get go of her testimony to include the myspace page.

She made it sound as if napoleon could sit in my computer chair and click "like" on his own photos with his (opposable thumbs) paws.
 
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I don't know where I saw it....but know that I did...there is a pic of TA with what looks to me an "impression" of another strip of tape below the elbow as well....I am gonna look til I find it....
 
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I think we all will be on social security before JA gets to whole POINT of this trial. Plus, she will have to answer to more than one homicide....she is literally boring thousands of people to death...yawn

Also Nurmi ~ apparently has a very small vocabulary. He only knows the words Lets go back to...and How did that make you feel. Just sayin.....
 
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if there was rope she most likely brought the rope and also took it with her and threw it out with all the other stuff she got rid of somewhere.

:twocents:

somewhere in the desert, I am sure. I wonder if they ever looked for it. I guess they wouldn't know where to begin.
 
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