Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[manzana]

The problem with bringing things from other forums like that is they are not verified thru WS. That is just how I see and take those things.

Even the timeline thing looks much like a simple notepad text document that anyone could upload, not well documented by dates and supporting documents. I guess we should wait til official documents come out in court.

 

[popsicle]

That text is, T to J supposedly. The May 10 text T to J is one that shows he is really fed up with the biotch.

right sorry, just typed it backwards. thanks

 

[LotusPawprint]

I really think it would have to be a psychopath like Jodi on the jury that would think not getting over being used justifies murder.I just don't think there is any way the defense can prove self defense and isn't that what the jury will have to look at? No matter how hurt and angry Jodi was when she over-killed Travis , her own life was not in jeopardy before she did what she did.The dropped camera and Travis getting angry story is nonsense IMO and there is no way they can make a jury believe it IMO ( but unfortunately I thought the same about George fishing a dead Caylee out of the family pool as well....)

ITA, though that's what scary about trials by jury.... there's always the possibility one juror will make their decision based on some X factor and they don't have to "answer" to anyone. This case is getting so much publicity because JA is supposedly an attractive femme fatal and the woe is me, scorned used woman might resonate with some men or women. That may override the facts and evidence but they don't have to discuss that in deliberations.

Or... as some saw the P12's CA verdict, they were looking for absolutely no doubt whatsoever instead of simply looking for "reasonable doubt" (that's been my take on their verdict).

I also think in DP cases, some jurors have the penalty phase in the back of their minds during the guilt deliberations, even though they are told NOT TO, and might be likely to convict on a lesser charge so they don't have to even deliberate voting for the DP.

Kind of frightening that you never know what a juror could do and a clear, solid case can be completely derailed by a juror who isn't following the instructions to a T.

 

[popsicle]

Even the timeline thing looks much like a simple notepad text document that anyone could upload, not well documented by dates and supporting documents. I guess we should wait til official documents come out in court.

The timeline thing was done by someone on here. What I am talking about is people talking out on forums like they have inside information and others bringing that post or info to this forum. The person on the other forum hasn't been verified so we cannot know if that info has any validity at all so is just rumors really. jmo

 

[Karmady]

Not a very accurate listing though 900 some square feet

Here is one that reflects the square footage 3,600

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11428-E-Queensborough-Ave-Mesa-AZ-85212/55275691_zpid/

Not a very expensive home, it fact the one Jodi was in was valued at 150,000 more when they purchased it, then the housing boom and it devalued quite a bit.

I didn't go to the link, but I can tell you that the value of homes in AZ went totally into the crapper in the '07-08 time frame. The value of the homes in my neighborhood went up about 300% b/w from about 03 to 05 or 06, then went all the way back down to the original purchase price. They are only just now starting to come back up from what they ORIGINALLY sold for as new contrustion 10+ years ago. AZ was one of the hardest hit, after LV. My re agent told me that at one point 8 of every 10 listing in the PHX was a short-sale or foreclosure. In my own tiny neighborhood, there are still at least 2 foreclosure sales at any given time.

 

[Nana46]

She reminds me soooooooooooo much of that other "unusal human" in Florida....scary how much they even look alike..........gag.

 

[SwampMama]

I wonder if she had installed a program on his computer that allowed her to spy on him. There are programs that are virtually invisible and will let you know every keystroke made on a computer and you can monitor it from any other computer no matter where you are.

What makes me think this is that she apparently kept being able to hack into numerous accounts of his. Seems like she would only be able to do it once and then he would catch on and change it to something she would never know.

But if she repeatedly got into the same accounts then I would think she had put a program on there that allowed her to see each keystroke, monitor messaging, take screenshots, set up "alert" words that would trigger a screen capture pic, etc. This program would also give her access to anyone's info who used the computer as well, so if his friends used it then she could hack them as well. It would also tell her if he had any email accounts or other type of accounts as well as the passwords to them.

 

[manzana]

The timeline thing was done by someone on here.

That does not bring any validity to it, people join here everyday, it was poorly done imo, there should be direct links to fact check entries, has it even been fact checked by mods or just allowed. Granted I know there are a lot of views but I have never seen tomato interpreted so many ways.

 

[Isabelle]

Watching recap with NG on HLN. Jodi tells LE she spoke to Travis between 9 and 1030 pm and says she was bored an calling people while on the road. Is this during the time she claimed her cell phone battery was dead? Is it possible that Jodi was at Travis' longer than one day?

 

[Karmady]

What is this?

http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/corp-detail.p?name-id=L13959867

Looks like the articles of incorporation for this motivation speaking business based on the e-mail addy associated with the 888 # on the documet "prsnlpower" iirc.

I noticed that Travis's court record is sealed. It looks to me like it's only probably a traffic ticket or similar. Wonder why they bothered to seal it.

 

[Isabelle]

Funny in the phone conversation with LE Jodi mentions how good Travis is!

ETA: She said these things in her multiple interviews too!

 

[LotusPawprint]

This is a casebook example of domestic violence homicide. The myth needs to be put to rest that males cannot be abused, psychologically, physically or sexually abused. It happened here in this case.imo.

How many times have we read about cases where the victim told someone else 'he is going to kill me' and it happened? Too many times. And how did they know? Because the abuse and violence was esculating just like in this case with Jodi slashing tires and stalking and winding up sneeking into his home and into his bed while he was sleeping.

Jodi Arias for whatever reason used sex as a tool to control the one she really wanted. Was it because she loved Travis? I highly doubt it. Psychopaths want ownership and dominance not love. After murdering him she goes onto another smuck coyly hoping she will be able to dominate him.

Maybe she knew Travis had never experienced some of the things she so willingly did and new experiences can and often are very exciting since all human beings respond to human touch. Imo she pulled out ever sex trick in the book. Thats all Jodi had and she used it trying to gain ownership of Travis but even the kinky sex didnt work for her and she had nothing more.

Many women and men have lost their good senses when raw sex comes into play. Women have even left very good husbands and their children behind to run to a very bad man that didnt care about her but just the sex. That is why the grass is greener on the other side of the fence because most of the time it is fertilized with nothing but BS. So some men and some women are alike in some aspects.

I understand Travis. I was like him and also a victim of domestic violence at one time by my ex. I shamefully admit, I did have sex with him when he demanded it. I hated it and I did it out of fear and the desperate need to appease a monster who would rage if I did not. It even continued after I moved out and had separated from him. I was just too fearful at that time to say 'no.' He too was stalking me. I knew at that time he was capable of anything. Near the end this was Travis's life with Jodi too imo. He had come across a situation with a dominant overbearing obsessive female who would not take 'no' for an answer no matter how many times he tried to tell her it was over and to leave him alone.

IMO

Thanks wasn't enough for this post!
This is an issue that's very important to me but it's difficult to convince people that the problem is real as the myth of male victimization is so engrained in society, as I wrote in my post upthread.

I think if we look at more "traditional victims" (women and children) and how society responds to them, we can guage why there's such a problem for men.

When a woman is in a domestic violence relationship, there's often a good deal of blame and questioning of her.
"Why do you stick around?" "Why don't you leave?" "Why do you keep coming back?" "You must like how he treats you." "I would never stay." "I'm too strong to ever let a man treat me like that." "It must not be that bad."
LE often questions these women, if there's no witness or physical proof it's hard to prove the abuse. Verbal or psychological manipulation and abuse are hard to substantiate. Involving LE often sets off the abuser. It's embarrassing and shameful. It's a cycle, part of the relationship is comfortable and familiar while there's dysfunction and who knows what else that keeps the victim paralyzed.


I also think of children who are victims of sexual abuse. How often are they questioned in the truthfulness of their accusations? When their abusers are family members, other family members don't believe the children. When it's a religious leader or an athletic coach or trusted member of society, the child often comes under immediate scrutiny. There's shame in being a victim. We're programmed to examine the victim and figure out why they might be accusing someone, how could the abuser possibly be so evil, surely no one could do something so horrific so what's wrong with the child. When a child is a victim of repeated abuse, it becomes more and more puzzling why that child "put up" with the abuse for weeks, months, or years. How could they "let" a pedophile keep doing that to them?


Now I'll be clear.... I'm not (I repeat NOT) comparing JA to the abusers in either scenario I described above, but there is so much shame and stigma for those who are victimized everyday. The struggle is so great for the "expected victims" for whom we have advocacy groups established, but for men there's just a block in understanding and embracing that it could possibly be real. I can imagine it would be embarrassing for a grown, strong, strapping man to admit to family and friends that this frisky seductress he was romping around with made him feel some level of fear and intimidation. I imagine he thought he could handle everything on his own. Calling and reporting the slashed tires would be too much. He had it under control. He could placate her, satisfy his needs, and she wouldn't go crazy. Except all along she's stewing and brewing and plotting his violent end.


Sadly I think it's a big problem for our boys and men, who could potentially be victims of dangerous women but aren't properly equipped. Imagine if JA began her attack on Travis trying to kill him and in self-defense HE killed HER. I wonder how that would play out in court. A small, petite dead little woman killed in lover's bedroom and he claims self-defense. Men are really getting a bad deal, as that whole defense would be an uphill battle and many would call BS. That goes into our mindset that men can't be abused, attacked, and victimized and they aren't permitted to protect themselves (they only get physical if they're on the offense).

It's a complex issue and this might not be the place to discuss it but I thought it was worth a (lengthy) mention.

 

[Curious Me]

It makes me sick that Jodi made this happen. Travis was a respected motivational speaker and wanted to be known for helping people. There are pics of Travis dead all over the internet. He gets no privacy in death. Jodi gets to stay groomed and make up all kinds of stories about Travis in her soft lying voice. It's so wrong. She is the bug to be examined under the microscope, not Travis.

 

[BritsKate]

I don't know anything about my space accts. She could have done that and he never noticed it. I have heard rumors that his family has control over the acct and if so maybe they haven't noticed or it bears witness to the fact that they do not have control of the acct. I just don't put much weight on it I guess. jmo

It's a bit of hit and miss comparing Myspace anyway since no actual dates are given...4 years ago could be a comment made in February or June of '08. There's very little in way of context to be gleaned.

Did you note there is only one post to JA's ms wall by TA compared to multiple posts on TA's wall by JA? I would bet anything she posted to her wall using his computer.

It was noted...same too with their blogger accounts. I absolutely, unequivocally believe she was cyber-stalking him based on events and dates.

I really think it would have to be a psychopath like Jodi on the jury that would think not getting over being used justifies murder.I just don't think there is any way the defense can prove self defense and isn't that what the jury will have to look at? No matter how hurt and angry Jodi was when she over-killed Travis , her own life was not in jeopardy before she did what she did.The dropped camera and Travis getting angry story is nonsense IMO and there is no way they can make a jury believe it IMO ( but unfortunately I thought the same about George fishing a dead Caylee out of the family pool as well....)

Susan Wright stabbed her husband 192 times while he was tied to a bed. She was sentenced to 20 years for 2nd degree murder.
Clara Harris ran over her husband 3 times with her car. She was sentenced to 20 years for 2nd degree murder. (She did not claim abuse but rather more the wronged woman scenario.)
Mary Winkler shot her husband while he slept. She was acquitted.

None of these women were in imminent danger of death in my opinion. Though I do believe the defense has an uphill battle showing evidence of abuse towards Jodi.

Who know's their boyfriend's bank account pin number a few months into a relationship? I found that to be very odd.

I know, right? I was telling my husband about this case and it dawned on me I don't even know his pin! And she knew it over a year later after they'd broken up?!? :what:

I can't come up with any reason why she would legitimately need to know his pin. I wonder if she was snooping to see where he was spending money etc.

It's giving me the heebie jeebies to think that she may have been silently cyber stalking him.

Travis' friends have stated she was on his laptop a lot. We've heard she used his phone to text other peeps. I don't think cyberstalking is outside the realm of possibility at all but rather very likely. The only thing I can think is he gave her his card and asked her to grab cash - something likely innocent - not expecting her to remember the pin over a year later.

But Jodi and Travis don't seem that 'close' at least in terms of trust. I don't know why he didn't change his passwords and pin #s other than perhaps he didn't know she knew them. :waitasec: I think the breakdown came the last week in May when he realized she probably did. (Accusing her of hacking FB)

 

[SwampMama]

Since when does an adult female wearing pigtails turn into "the guy is into younger females"? Must have missed that memo! I guess NCIS should stop having Abby wear her hair like this, because any guy that thinks she looks cute is into younger females.
I just asked two of my male friends (in their 20's) what they thought of her hair, they both said its cute. I'm sure just about every guy their age (and not) would say the same thing. It doesn't mean any of them are into younger females!

I'm 45 and I often wear my hair up in pigtails, especially in the summer. I have long hair (and hot flashes) so I like having my hair up and off of my neck. I live in Louisiana and the summer heat and humidity here is unbearable!! Even right now, although it is January, it is 78 degrees outside.

I admit, it does look cute and it suits my personality quite well. I'm only 5 ft 1 and look more like a kid than a mature woman in her 40's.

But I do think some men like a girl in pigtails because it makes them look more like a young schoolgirl but i don't see anything very wrong with that in most cases.

 

[BritsKate]

That does not bring any validity to it, people join here everyday, it was poorly done imo, there should be direct links to fact check entries, has it even been fact checked by mods or just allowed. Granted I know there are a lot of views but I have never seen tomato interpreted so many ways.

It was added to the media thread by a mod. And there are two tabs on the timeline - if you click references on it there are links available to back the timeline up. HTH

 

[3trees]

At first it was one girl. Now it's some. Do you have a link? Thanks.

I don't know if anyone responded to this since this is the farthest I've read thus far but perhaps she is referring to a quote and link I posted earlier.

"And I think the way it played out is it seemed like those intentions were just to be really close to Travis. And I think, looking back, it seemed like she just wanted to be the one that got him, because he was always flirting with lots of girls and going on lots of dates with lots of girls and very flirtatious and social. And I think it was kind of a trophy or a catch for her to try and stake her claim.

So that`s kind of the vibe I always got from her. And I didn`t really like how she went about it. "

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...4/ijvm.01.html

 

[popsicle]

That does not bring any validity to it, people join here everyday, it was poorly done imo, there should be direct links to fact check entries, has it even been fact checked by mods or just allowed. Granted I know there are a lot of views but I have never seen tomato interpreted so many ways.

What I am trying to say, although poorly, is that the timeline was done by someone on here and was only all the things we had discussed, heard, knew. Thus I posted what I did and said this was what I knew of the comments he made and I asked for a link to any others because I didn't know of any.

I spoke of bringing comments from other boards that are suppose to be inside information as not being wise because they are not verified by WS as really having inside knowledge. Thus they are just rumors.

 

[luv]

Description of this video says that Jodi's Youtube account "jodiannarrias" uploaded this video a week after she killed him.

http://www.youtube.com/user/jodiannarias

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_7C4uu7qU"]Video of Travis Alexander Uploaded By Jodi Arias From Her Youtube Account - YouTube[/ame]


Justice4Travis
http://www.youtube.com/user/Justice4Travis/videos?view=0&flow=grid

 

[popsicle]

Funny in the phone conversation with LE Jodi mentions how good Travis is!

ETA: She said these things in her multiple interviews too!

probably because he was? :what: