Joe Barnhill told to forget what he saw

[Imon128]

JAR was having drinking problems at that time, too. JAR really fits whats called some profiles, as well.

JAR and Brad Millard spending the night together at JAR's AFTER having driven Brad's car to Brad's house, is a REAL head scratcher. WHY??? JAR was due to leave very early from Lucinda's and a young college guy, out late (probably they'd tipped some cool ones) NOT wanting to go in his own house and just crash and sleep late? WHY did he go home with JAR?

JAR is my main suspect. It all makes sense to me when I consider he premeditated it with Brad, or that he and Brad were having a sexual thing of some sort ( pics for sale at Jay Elowsky's or something?) and it went wrong. The premeditated sounds more like it. The note makes sense to me when I put JAR as the suspect.

 

[Maxi]

My JAR theory allows him to be in Atlanta on the 26th. In my theory, he and another guy planned the kidnapping, and it went bad because the other guy was a little crazy.

Actually, my theory can go two ways. JAR could have actually intended to have his friend kidnap JBR to upset his father, or he could just have outlined the plan as a joke at some late night college bull session, and the friend took it a little too seriously. Thus, the forgiveness quote.

 

[Imon128]

The JAR theory that works best for me is that JAR and Brad were doing something of a sexual nature with JB. JB was about to tell on them, they knew it, and planned to kill her, put her in the suitcase, load it on the private plane, JAR would retrieve that suitcase, and their (Brad and JAR's) plan would continue in Charlevoix, where her body was to be discovered.

Of course, this would, according to JAR and Brad's plan, eliminate them from suspicion as they were GONE from Boulder to their homes in Atlanta. (this same thing when JAR was supposedly GONE from Charlevoix when the boating attempt was to go down)

Something went wrong with JAR and Brad's plan and John found them. John was ticked at JAR, but still didn't want to send JAR to the death penalty. So John and Patsy covered......

This is one idea I have as to what happened to JonBenet Ramsey. And as usual, it's.....JMO.

 

[Britt]

You JAR theorists definitely have my attention.

I can see JAR as the abuser, but not necessarily the killer, only because IMO Patsy would not have been a willing participant in the cover-up, much less have written the note herself and continued lying for years to her own detriment, to cover for JAR.

However, possibly JAR was the abuser and got caught by Patsy, and JonBenét wound up dead shortly thereafter or later that night in a rage attack by or struggle with Patsy, or accidentally from a blow meant for JAR.

Perhaps the dictionary-incest thing had to do with finding out if half-brother/half-sister sex was considered "incest." That makes more sense to me than any other explanation for why someone might look up the word and mark the page.

The JAR theory explains a lot of the mystery and motivations in this case.

 

[Imon128]

Yes, Britt! I like that! Patsy was the one who caught JAR, swung and hit JB....that'd work, too. I have considered that as well. Good thinkin'!!!

I totally agree that JAR doing it, explains much that seems to not tie in. It does, when I consider JAR as the one responsible. We'll get this figured out yet, Britt...

 

[Imon128]

That would explain, possibly, the digital penetration. Patsy might have walked in just as the sexual aspect had begun???

 

[Camper]

JAR and Brad Millard spending the night together at JAR's AFTER having driven Brad's car to Brad's house, is a REAL head scratcher. WHY???

Imon, I believe it totally possible that Mr. Stein accompanied JAR back to Atlanta in the souped up JR plane, still drunk or ?, when they arrived in GA, JAR was in no condition to drive, so Brad met the plane and escorted him to the nearest bed to dry out.

Remember Mr. Stein was not present with all of the 'friends' the next morning to comfort them, and he only lived 6 blocks away from the Ramsey's. Plus Mrs. Stein answered the door when the police came on the 23rd 911 call, and talked through the door intercom to them making allowances for the 'OOPS' 911 call.

Would also be interesting to know if any money or gratuity passed hands to Brad. We know the pilot of JR's plane ended up with the plane at a reduced price.

Anyone remember a source for JonBenet crying the evening of the 23rd and saying she did not feel pretty? If some sort of an encounter with a drinking relative caused the 911 call, who made the call? Much to be thought of here with thinking outside of the lines, hmmm. Could JonBenets grandpa have made the call when or if he encountered such an activity accidentally? I would think he could very well have been totally upset upon stumbling upon such a scene. Grandpa being much older and no doubt wiser, and perhaps the most inclined person to make a 911 call.

I would like to know where Patsy was when the police came to the door, who was she with, what was she doing that she could not answer her own door, or John for that matter.

Could it be that Grandpa took off right after because he could not deal with the household circumstance at that time? Wonder how fond Grandpa Paugh was of JAR? JAR absence of mention in DOI, tells me a lot, in absentia.

 

[Imon128]

Camper, I think it's likely somebody made a mad flight back to Atlanta with the perps. Stine might have blabbed by now, though, dunno.

Also, it's possible that GPP was aware of what had been happening to JB...she might have told Grandpa, who told Patsy and/or John, thus making them suspicicous enough to go out looking for a missing JB and JAR in the night...

Oooo, this is getting exciting...sort of like writing a novel or something.

 

[sissi]

Goodness and I was "feelin' bad" thinking the bottom wipin' White was suspicious.
JAR never said he wanted his little sister dead,this was investigated early on and found a lie.
He was cleared! Not cleared to shut him up ,only to leave him open again as "some were" if necessary,but C L E A R E D. I'm certain they (BPD) got this much right.
Ya' know,there are people that think Westie took the fall for his son, because of feeling somehow neglectful and responsible,but no way would I believe Patsy would cover for JAR. I can understand the Westerfield thing a bit, still don't believe it,but can at least understand the concept. Patsy covering for her husband's child from a previous marriage,I just can't buy. Would any of you cover for this boy,if it were your family? I know I would NOT! In fact in our family my sis gave up millions because of "bad" step kids (in their 30's) ,IMO no love or money should keep one from turning in an evil person. Patsy wouldn't have waited for "judgement day" she would have pointed that finger right at him. JMO IMO

 

[Imon128]

Doesn't matter what we'd do. I think John and Patsy would cover to save JAR from the death penalty.

JAR and Melinda were 'cleared' in a deal. It's in Steve's book.

 

[Britt]

Originally posted by sissi
...no way would I believe Patsy would cover for JAR. ...Patsy covering for her husband's child from a previous marriage,I just can't buy.

Me neither, sissi. No way no how IMO, which is why IMO Patsy was involved in JB's death whether or not anyone else was.

The JAR connection as potential abuser and a resulting family tragedy in which Patsy was actively involved... this makes a lot of sense.

Camper, your speculation about a stealth nighttime plane trip is speaking to me... and what about those vanishing phone records anyhoo? The pilot got himself a plane, you say? Fascinating stuff.

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by Imon128
I like that! Patsy was the one who caught JAR, swung and hit JB....

Well then Patsy and JBR must have been 1000+ miles away from boulder if that really happened, because that's how far away JAR was.

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by twilight
Didn't love him as a son...that's for sure. Check out the pre-murder Xmas letter. JAR barely gets a mention. Melinda gets pretty good coverage...Burke better, and JB best...although hers is all passive voice indicating that Patsy knew pageants would not be seen in a good light by all who received her Xmas wishes. Passive voice ducks responsibility. So, she's basically bragging about something she didn't do. Much like they are now...'my JB was wonderfully sexual for a 6 year old, and so self motivated!!!'

Why would she cover for JAR...same reason she'd cover for John...maintain family status. You slip a bit when one son kills his step-sister. But I doubt that is what happened. However, if there was prior abuse...that is something else again. Maybe he's good for that...or maybe they're afraid he's good for that.

LOL...not sure what you posted but tend to agree!!!HEEHEE:?... somehow it makes total "commen sense to me"...!!! so now what?:dontknow: :nono:

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by sissi
Goodness and I was "feelin' bad" thinking the bottom wipin' White was suspicious.
JAR never said he wanted his little sister dead,this was investigated early on and found a lie.
He was cleared! Not cleared to shut him up ,only to leave him open again as "some were" if necessary,but C L E A R E D. I'm certain they (BPD) got this much right.
Ya' know,there are people that think Westie took the fall for his son, because of feeling somehow neglectful and responsible,but no way would I believe Patsy would cover for JAR. I can understand the Westerfield thing a bit, still don't believe it,but can at least understand the concept. Patsy covering for her husband's child from a previous marriage,I just can't buy. Would any of you cover for this boy,if it were your family? I know I would NOT! In fact in our family my sis gave up millions because of "bad" step kids (in their 30's) ,IMO no love or money should keep one from turning in an evil person. Patsy wouldn't have waited for "judgement day" she would have pointed that finger right at him. JMO IMO

?:Would any of you cover for this boy,if it were your family? NOT!!!

... IMHO in this state (midwest) we reep what we sow... we know what goes around "comes around double +sum!"... it just wouldn't happen here...!!!~~~~~~

 

[Camper]

The facts as Mary Keenan has 'em in her book of case truth is that by 'alibi' support, JAR was 1000 miles away.

We have two trips on Mondays by JonBenet to the school nurse just prior to Christmas, for reasons 'we' do not know, BUT does Mary Keenan know the why of those trips. Was a cat about to be let out of a bag by JonBenet - unintentionally out of innocence?

Patsy's Christmas letter was late in getting out, was she preoccupied with another matter? Was she upset with some found information about JAR, is that why he was not praised in the annual newsletter?

IF a member of the family found an unnacceptable situation the night of the 25, and took a swing with a handy golf club at the perpetrator in total anger, and it found JBR instead. I can see the family covering for
a. family incest
b. son tried in court for what, sexual abuse?
c. mother tried in court for accidentally killing her daughter.

A family with standing in the community with everything to lose would in my opinion keep their dirty linen to themselves. If all of the participants in helping cover, knew these facts they would most likely keep their mouths shut.

Then again if a drunken JAR did this, in many family circles the family would blame the demon drink on this whole mess. Plus add to this any resentment when sober of the worshipped NEW child.

One of the keys to untangling this mess, would be to show a picture line up to the 'sometime police informant' to determine just who it was that offered him $10,000 to maime or kill JBR. Does Mary Keenan ever wonder about that.

In the end with the a,b, and c I outline above, no one would get sent to prison for a lifetime.

JAR would have a tarnished reputation as a sexual incest abuser. What family would not cover for that? It would only be a substantial amount of taxpayers money to take all to task for this unseemly murder. In the end would PR and JR have renewed reputations, most likely. Would JAR, imop, no. A rotten place for parents to be placed, truth would have worked for me, but not for them, imop.

My opinion based on bits and pieces of news reports made during that time as reflected by media reports, and books that I have read.

Blended families can often have a snag or two emotionally.

 

[Imon128]

I realize there are some who think Patsy wouldn't lie for JAR, but I truly believe she would. Here's why.


1) I don't think she'd defy John, if John gave the mandate to cover for JAR

2) Patsy came into JAR's life when JAR was a little guy, and probably had some motherly attachment to him, that probably got sharply diminished if JAR was found to be molesting JB.

3) Patsy wouldn't want all that dirty laundry aired, thus detracting from the 'perfect' image she worked so hard to create.

4) Patsy swung at JAR and accidentally hit JB, causing lots of mental car wrecks in her head, allowing Patsy to defer to John to take care of the mess (in this case it goes sort of back to item one).

 

[Shylock]

I think the people who believe JAR had something to do with this crime are probably the same people who claim they heard the 911 tape played on the Geraldo show years ago.

 

[Imon128]

Hi, Shylock--I never heard the 911 tape on Geraldo, LOL.

I am basing, in part, the JAR did- it on MJenn's accounting of how it was possible for JAR to get back to Boulder that night.

 

[Camper]

Shylock, why do you think that a man who owned his own airplane service, would not have the plane ready and prepared to leave Boulder the morning of the pre planned trip to points east for Mr. Ramsey?

Or why do you think the pilot not around to answer a phone call, surely a man of such high technical abilities would be carrying a cell phone in his pocket? Or did he leave suddenly in the night on a flight where no one would be calling him and he would not need or just FORGOT in the haste to get outta Dodge?

Cool shot on the 911 call Shylock, it is rather an insult, I too have never heard it, have you?

Today is my birthday and am 71, was not born yesterday. Pieces of my theory puzzle fit quite nicely all on their own.

Mary Keenan NEEDS to know WHO the Waterford MI drug informant was discussing an accident with to injure or kill JonBenet, imop. If it wasn't JAR, then the DA and the BPD and Mr. Woody have a legitimate reason to continue looking for a bonified non family perp. JonBenet deserves that much doesn't she Shylock?

 

[Imon128]

Happy B-Day, Camper!!!

That informant in Charlevoix might have been dismissed too quickly. JAR's reply via an attorney is that JAR wasn't even there that weekend. HUH? Like that would mean that he hadn't wanted somebody to off JB? And with JAR someplace else, no less? IMO, this needs looked into, or maybe it has and just not been reported to the public.