John Andrew Ramsey

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TOM HANEY: Did John Andrew have a Dr. Seuss book?
PATSY RAMSEY: Did John Andrew have a Dr. Seuss book? '
TOM HANEY: Or when he was older, like now?
PATSY RAMSEY: I hope not. He is supposed to have college books, not Dr. Seuss books. Why would you ask such a question?
TOM HANEY: Well, that is because in that suitcase was a Dr. Seuss book.
PATSY RAMSEY: What book was it? Did it have any kid's name in it?
TRIP DEMUTH: That I don't know. I think it had John Andrew's name in it.
PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, it did?
TRIP DEMUTH: I think. I haven't personally seen it.
PATSY RAMSEY: (Inaudible) I don't know. You got me. I don't know.
 
THose two were so in over their heads. That is a terrible exchange. They weren't prepared to be questioning her on anything...especially very interesting pieces of evidence. " I don't know", "I think"..... both of you get the hell out of that room and let someone else handle it.

Patsy was an expert at playing dumb and those two guys experts at being dumb. A perfect combination that equals a get out of jail free card.
 
Well I was just thinking, a semen stained blanket means nothing in the context of a college aged man's bedroom. But the combination of blanket and Dr. Seuss book does mean something. However, I'd argue the suitcase might or might not have contained more things? things that we don't know about, as Singularity has stated, that room was a mess on the night of the murder, god knows how many things were hidden, moved, discarded, Etc...

And if those cutesy Jonbenét photographs do come from Andrew's room, and if he took them, it would mean he instructed Jonbenét on how to pose or what to do right? so nevermind the Dr. Seuss book, cute photographs of Jonbenét PLUS semen stained blanket is definitely NOT right, do you agree?

Maybe I'm stretching, I don't know, but the sudden combination of blanket plus photographs just came to mind, even if we have no way to date the blanket or know where the photographs were originally kept before being thrown in the basement.
 
I used to think someone might have emerged from under the bed (not an intruder of course) but Singularity has changed my mind on this topic.

I now agree somebody might have looked under the bed to look for something specific they needed to discard, move, hide, etc...
 
Well I was just thinking, a semen stained blanket means nothing in the context of a college aged man's bedroom. But the combination of blanket and Dr. Seuss book does mean something. However, I'd argue the suitcase might or might not have contained more things? things that we don't know about, as Singularity has stated, that room was a mess on the night of the murder, god knows how many things were hidden, moved, discarded, Etc...

And if those cutesy Jonbenét photographs do come from Andrew's room, and if he took them, it would mean he instructed Jonbenét on how to pose or what to do right? so nevermind the Dr. Seuss book, cute photographs of Jonbenét PLUS semen stained blanket is definitely NOT right, do you agree?

Maybe I'm stretching, I don't know, but the sudden combination of blanket plus photographs just came to mind, even if we have no way to date the blanket or know where the photographs were originally kept before being thrown in the basement.
UK brought up a good point on how the suitcase may have been used to move certain items to the basement although this doesn't explain why the blanket and book are still in it.

You're right that the suitcase may have had other things in it but they didn't release the info regarding all its contents. This is why the case is so confusing and frustrating....we know they never released all the evidence. It took many years for people to find out that a doll was in the wine cellar.

Even though we have not seen the photographs, they are down there for a reason. If its just some innocent tossing of photographs, why isn't every photograph in the house down there? Because there's no reason for them to be. Only certain photographs need to be distanced from the family and even then, it shows their chaotic thinking under pressure because even if you're dumping photographs in the basement, it is still in your house. Yes they have been moved from point A to point B and while we can speculate on where point A was, point B is in close proximity to her body and if we follow the bread crumbs by looking at pictures of the crime scene, its only logical that point A was the room of the house in most disarray, which is JAR's room.

WE have no idea of knowing what she is doing in the photographs and if we knew it would be very telling. On the other hand, even if they are photograhs similar to the type we have already seen, it shows that someone had themselves a collection of her photos and it wouldn't have looked very good had they been left where they were originally kept.

Like I mentioned before, I believe that second cigar box contained something besides cigars. John intentionally distances himself from it. Its also the box that Fleet White touched on his last trip to the basement(as well as the piece of tape).......



LOU SMIT: I think I'm going to just switch gears right now, unless you have any other
questions. One thing I did want to show you on picture 147 here; this again is photographs of the
wine cellar. There's a series of them: 146, 147, 148 and 149. Again, photographs of the wine cellar
after the search warrant was obtained. And I'd like to just show them to you, Mr. Ramsey,
and see what you observe on these photographs, whether they're in place or out of place or if
there's anything that seems to be different? And what you remember?

JOHN RAMSEY: Well, in terms of the pictures, this cigar box is different, certainly.

LOU SMIT: And what do you mean by that?

JOHN RAMSEY: Well, in terms of versus the other picture, it's kind of resting on its bottom here, more or less. Here it's a different box.

LOU SMIT: So you had more than one box of cigars?

JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember that box, Romeo and Juliets. I remember this. The Cubans.

LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE) the same box?

JOHN RAMSEY: No, I don't remember that box.

LOU SMIT: Okay. That's it?
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Of course you don't remember THAT box.

JOhn admits earlier in the interview that he smokes cigars and of course there was an actual box of cigars in the wine cellar besides the one mentioned above. Here's Patsy talking about cigars...we know she smokes them as well because she smoked one at her birthday party....

PATSY RAMSEY: Close ups of those.

TOM HANEY: Also appear to be.

PATSY RAMSEY: (Inaudible).

TOM HANEY: Do one or both of you smoke cigars?

PATSY RAMSEY: No one does.

TOM HANEY: Okay. Were they normally kept there?

PATSY RAMSEY: Well, he must -- I don't know.

TOM HANEY: Is that taboo in the house to have them?

PATSY RAMSEY: No. He probably put them in there because it was an airtight place. It was cool. I don't know what you do with cigars.

TOM HANEY: A humidor.

PATSY RAMSEY: A can.

TOM HANEY: Wasn't like he was hiding them from you?

PATSY RAMSEY: No.

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No one does.

Yet they don't even bother to call her out on this obvious lie.

Something is in that second box that isn't kosher. Fleet knew it....John certainly knew it...and no matter how incompetent, they knew it too.



I used to think someone might have emerged from under the bed (not an intruder of course) but Singularity has changed my mind on this topic.

I now agree somebody might have looked under the bed to look for something specific they needed to discard, move, hide, etc...
LS had more photographs to look at but its pretty obvious IMO it was something along those lines.

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Here are some things I feel pecuilar about JAR:

1.) The R's neighbor, Joe Barnhill, reported seeing John Andrew walk up to the R's house, on 12/25. Does anyone know if this sighting was when the R's had already gone to the Whites house? Barnhill later changed his statement to say that he might have been mistaken.

2.) There is no home video footage of Christmas morning. There are only two pictures. Was JAR in any of those pictures and videos that they had to be erased?

3.) One of the original people that John has stayed close to throughout the years was his pilot, Mike Archuletta. Did Mike give JAR the plane ride to and from Boulder?

4.) Why did John and Patsy say that they wouldn't answer any questions until the police cleared JAR and Melinda?

5.) JAR's suitcase with his blanket, book, and semen were found near JonBenet's body.

6.) It's been said that JonBenet was being molested but not on a regular basis. Since JAR was in Boulder but not always at home, he would of had irregular access to JBR. Didn't she go to the school nurse on Mondays? Did JAR make a stop at home during the weekend?

7.) Why did John lawyer up his family like his ex-wife and not Patsy's family? (I'm not positive about this; but I'm pretty sure Lucinda got a lawyer and Nedra didn't)

8.) LE cleared JAR because of a picture of him at an ATM. Wouldn't that picture be really grainy? If he spent Christmas with his mom's family, then why aren't there any pictures of him there? Also, didn't he go to the movies too on 12/25? So he went to his mom's house and the movies on 12/25? Or was his mom's house on 12/24?

Now, I know that someone will say that Patsy would have never covered up for JAR but John was the one with money and connections. He could have told Patsy that she keeps her mouth shut about his son, or he'll throw her under the bus.
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Motive for Patsy to cover for her stepson? Lack of witness protection programs for herself and Burke; John convinced her that Burke did it; Patsy had an emotionally bad children (the Paughs were weird, if you know what I mean) and did not know how to handle stress. Another woman may have handled it better.

In terms of lack of police protection programs for Patsy and Burke: while it's been disputed by some people, I do believe that John's business had dubious connections and dealings.

Yes, I believe it was John Andrew, perhaps working with John the father. If John the father was also involved, then he probably gave Patsy a sedative so that she would sleep well at night. (Yes, I know that they had separate bedrooms.)

The ATM? It was probably his friend at the ATM. The young man in the video is looking down, not at the camera. He used JAR's credit card.

As another poster mentioned, this case could be solved fairly easily if they ran the video through "face recognition software."

There were two motives to the premeditated murder: 1) to silence JB and to prevent her from talking; and 2) to frame Patsy. (Burke had to framed to a certain extent, so that Patsy could be "gaslighted" into believing that Burke had done this.)

So, John the father and John Andrew had these two motives.

John Andrew wanted Patsy out of the way, so that his father would reunite with his mother. This is NOT because he desired to see his parents get back together, but due to his father's WEALTH. It was GREED and not a desire to see his parents reunite.

Would not shock me if John Andrew also molested Burke, but since Burke was perhaps autistic (not sure of the exact prognosis), he may not have been believed as fast if he reported sexual abuse.

Between Burke and JB, I think JB would be taken more seriously if she claimed someone was sexually abusing her. Maybe I am wrong? So the assumption is that the desire to silence JB was stronger than the desire to silence Burke.

John Andrew - I think he had a key to the house?

There was so much focus, both from certain police detectives and the media, to blame the mother for wearing the same outfit twice; Burke for getting up when his parents were sleeping and having some pineapple; and sexist claims that Patsy went into a rage and killed JB.

Yet John the father was known for being very controlling, and masterminding everything. He was also known to lose his temper at Patsy and the children. But did anyone accuse John of going into a rage and killing JB? Sexism and bias!

But it's not just sexism and bias why police detectives and the public believed it was Pasty or Burke or an intruder (other than JAR) or pedophile ring - these narratives are being pushed and promoted by John and John Anthony.

Regarding the beauty pageants - I'm in Canada, and they are not really part of our culture. While I oppose them, I don't think they had much to do with this particular case. (John the father WANTS us to blame stalkers and routine predators, to shift the blame away from John and John Andrew.) Especially if Burke was also sexually abused by JAR, then we can rule out that the beauty pageants had anything to do with this particular case.

I'm hoping that Burke (who has a good career and a girlfriend) is getting fed up with the narrative (pushed by his father) that he accidentally killed JB and that his mother Patsy covered it up. (Notice how John Ramsey always gets a pass? Well, he's a man after all!)

Maybe Burke could be offered witness protection programs? These programs are more common in Canada, but believe me, they are far from perfect.

Don't worry: John and John Andrew will be arrested and charged and convicted!

Note: A routine "sexual predator" would not be interested in framing the mother. He would be much more anxious to frame the father. This is why I don't buy the "routine intruder" theory. Though there was AN INTRUDER - it was John Andrew, but he had a key to the residence.
 
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JAR as the killer doesn't make sense to me but I don't much about it him as a specific POI. Why would he have left Alanta on Christmas or Christmas Eve to go back Boulder for some type of sexual gratification of molesting his sister if he was the one supposedly doing that? Do people assume his alibi is made up because he was already in Boulder and he was somehow involved in the murder and needed the coverup or to explain how it would be possible to get there and back to Alanta?

This was premeditated murder. JAR had the two motives: 1) to kill JB so that she could not report PRIOR sexual abuse; and 2) to frame his stepmom, Patsy.

This was not an accident gone wrong!
 
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Motive for Patsy to cover for her stepson? Lack of witness protection programs for herself and Burke; John convinced her that Burke did it; Patsy had an emotionally bad children (the Paughs were weird, if you know what I mean) and did not know how to handle stress. Another woman may have handled it better.

In terms of lack of police protection programs for Patsy and Burke: while it's been disputed by some people, I do believe that John's business had dubious connections and dealings.

Yes, I believe it was John Andrew, perhaps working with John the father. If John the father was also involved, then he probably gave Patsy a sedative so that she would sleep well at night. (Yes, I know that they had separate bedrooms.)

The ATM? It was probably his friend at the ATM. The young man in the video is looking down, not at the camera. He used JAR's credit card.

As another poster mentioned, this case could be solved fairly easily if they ran the video through "face recognition software."

There were two motives to the premeditated murder: 1) to silence JB and to prevent her from talking; and 2) to frame Patsy. (Burke had to framed to a certain extent, so that Patsy could be "gaslighted" into believing that Burke had done this.)

So, John the father and John Andrew had these two motives.

John Andrew wanted Patsy out of the way, so that his father would reunite with his mother. This is NOT because he desired to see his parents get back together, but due to his father's WEALTH. It was GREED and not a desire to see his parents reunite.

Would not shock me if John Andrew also molested Burke, but since Burke was perhaps autistic (not sure of the exact prognosis), he may not have been believed as fast if he reported sexual abuse.

Between Burke and JB, I think JB would be taken more seriously if she claimed someone was sexually abusing her. Maybe I am wrong? So the assumption is that the desire to silence JB was stronger than the desire to silence Burke.

John Andrew - I think he had a key to the house?

There was so much focus, both from certain police detectives and the media, to blame the mother for wearing the same outfit twice; Burke for getting up when his parents were sleeping and having some pineapple; and sexist claims that Patsy went into a rage and killed JB.

Yet John the father was known for being very controlling, and masterminding everything. He was also known to lose his temper at Patsy and the children. But did anyone accuse John of going into a rage and killing JB? Sexism and bias!

But it's not just sexism and bias why police detectives and the public believed it was Pasty or Burke or an intruder (other than JAR) or pedophile ring - these narratives are being pushed and promoted by John and John Anthony.

Regarding the beauty pageants - I'm in Canada, and they are not really part of our culture. While I oppose them, I don't think they had much to do with this particular case. (John the father WANTS us to blame stalkers and routine predators, to shift the blame away from John and John Andrew.) Especially if Burke was also sexually abused by JAR, then we can rule out that the beauty pageants had anything to do with this particular case.

I'm hoping that Burke (who has a good career and a girlfriend) is getting fed up with the narrative (pushed by his father) that he accidentally killed JB and that his mother Patsy covered it up. (Notice how John Ramsey always gets a pass? Well, he's a man after all!)

Maybe Burke could be offered witness protection programs? These programs are more common in Canada, but believe me, they are far from perfect.

Don't worry: John and John Andrew will be arrested and charged and convicted!

Note: A routine "sexual predator" would not be interested in framing the mother. He would be much more anxious to frame the father. This is why I don't buy the "routine intruder" theory. Though there was AN INTRUDER - it was John Andrew, but he had a key to the residence.

WRT JAR's parents reuniting ...
Mr. Johnson would be an obstacle.



Who Is John Ramsey's First Wife? Lucinda Pasch Keeps A Low Profile

"The former couple were on good enough terms that John and Patsy flew to Atlanta to support Pasch while she was questioned by police about the whereabouts of she and John's two other children on Dec. 25, 1996, according to The Denver Post. The outlet referred to her as Lucinda Ramsey Johnson, indicating that she had re-married as well."
 
Here are some things I feel pecuilar about JAR:

1.) The R's neighbor, Joe Barnhill, reported seeing John Andrew walk up to the R's house, on 12/25. Does anyone know if this sighting was when the R's had already gone to the Whites house? Barnhill later changed his statement to say that he might have been mistaken.

2.) There is no home video footage of Christmas morning. There are only two pictures. Was JAR in any of those pictures and videos that they had to be erased?

3.) One of the original people that John has stayed close to throughout the years was his pilot, Mike Archuletta. Did Mike give JAR the plane ride to and from Boulder?

4.) Why did John and Patsy say that they wouldn't answer any questions until the police cleared JAR and Melinda?

5.) JAR's suitcase with his blanket, book, and semen were found near JonBenet's body.

6.) It's been said that JonBenet was being molested but not on a regular basis. Since JAR was in Boulder but not always at home, he would of had irregular access to JBR. Didn't she go to the school nurse on Mondays? Did JAR make a stop at home during the weekend?

7.) Why did John lawyer up his family like his ex-wife and not Patsy's family? (I'm not positive about this; but I'm pretty sure Lucinda got a lawyer and Nedra didn't)

8.) LE cleared JAR because of a picture of him at an ATM. Wouldn't that picture be really grainy? If he spent Christmas with his mom's family, then why aren't there any pictures of him there? Also, didn't he go to the movies too on 12/25? So he went to his mom's house and the movies on 12/25? Or was his mom's house on 12/24?

Now, I know that someone will say that Patsy would have never covered up for JAR but John was the one with money and connections. He could have told Patsy that she keeps her mouth shut about his son, or he'll throw her under the bus.
Here are some things I feel pecuilar about JAR:

1.) The R's neighbor, Joe Barnhill, reported seeing John Andrew walk up to the R's house, on 12/25. Does anyone know if this sighting was when the R's had already gone to the Whites house? Barnhill later changed his statement to say that he might have been mistaken.

2.) There is no home video footage of Christmas morning. There are only two pictures. Was JAR in any of those pictures and videos that they had to be erased?

3.) One of the original people that John has stayed close to throughout the years was his pilot, Mike Archuletta. Did Mike give JAR the plane ride to and from Boulder?

4.) Why did John and Patsy say that they wouldn't answer any questions until the police cleared JAR and Melinda?

5.) JAR's suitcase with his blanket, book, and semen were found near JonBenet's body.

6.) It's been said that JonBenet was being molested but not on a regular basis. Since JAR was in Boulder but not always at home, he would of had irregular access to JBR. Didn't she go to the school nurse on Mondays? Did JAR make a stop at home during the weekend?

7.) Why did John lawyer up his family like his ex-wife and not Patsy's family? (I'm not positive about this; but I'm pretty sure Lucinda got a lawyer and Nedra didn't)

8.) LE cleared JAR because of a picture of him at an ATM. Wouldn't that picture be really grainy? If he spent Christmas with his mom's family, then why aren't there any pictures of him there? Also, didn't he go to the movies too on 12/25? So he went to his mom's house and the movies on 12/25? Or was his mom's house on 12/24?

Now, I know that someone will say that Patsy would have never covered up for JAR but John was the one with money and connections. He could have told Patsy that she keeps her mouth shut about his son, or he'll throw her under the bus.

im going to add that in the pilots wife book, she mentions to Patsy she was a victim of incest, furthermore Mike would often babysit the children when the parents went out to dinner or away. These same awful potential connections keep coming up, shameful painful themes throughout the story. Maybe Shameful painful Things buy loyalty
 
This JAR thread is interesting. However, when I first started doing research on the case years ago, I remembered reading (somewhere) that JAR had been cleared as a suspect in the JBR murder due to his definitely not having been in Boulder/the Boulder area when she was killed. This appears definitive, unless I'm missing something:

Some excerpts from IRMI and PMPT

In the following days, we documented the whereabouts of John Andrew Ramsey on the night his little stepsister was killed. Although the family had been of minimal help, Gosage and I backtracked through interviews, records, friends, and associates to put him officially in the Atlanta-Marietta area, except for about six hours when he was presumably asleep at his mother’s home. Unless there was a far-reaching conspiracy or a Harrier jet in the backyard, he didn’t do it.

also

On the last day of the month, I wrote in an exhaustive report that “one can conclude John Andrew Ramsey’s whereabouts have been reasonably accounted for.” A few days later the city spokesperson announced that both John Andrew and his sister Melinda had been cleared of suspicion.
JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation


Detective Kim Stewart interviewed Melinda for almost two and a half hours. Detectives Ron Gosage and Steve Thomas questioned her brother from 6:00 to 8:00 P.M.
Twenty-year-old John Andrew was obviously upset, but he was composed enough to explain that he was a student at CU and had been in Boulder until December 19. Then he had gone to Atlanta to spend the first part of his vacation with his mother, Lucinda Johnson, and his sister and friends. Then the plan was to continue his vacation with his sister, father, stepmother, and their children. He said his father had arranged to meet him and his sister in Minneapolis at about 10:30 A.M. on December 26, and from there they would all continue to the house in Charlevoix, Michigan.
In the months that followed, the police would confirm that John Andrew, his mother, and her friend Harry Smiles had attended the Peachtree Presbyterian Church in Atlanta on Christmas Eve and that John Andrew had returned to his mother’s home at 1:00 A.M.
Melinda, who worked at a hospital in Marietta, Georgia, finished her shift at about 7:00 A.M. on Christmas Day. That afternoon, John Andrew, Harry Smiles, Melinda, and her boyfriend, Stewart Long, exchanged gifts at Lucinda’s home in Marietta. In the afternoon they all went across the street to a neighbor’s for dinner.


For seven weeks the police had been interviewing the Ramseys’ family, friends, and business associates without turning up any real suspects. They had finished their background checks on John Andrew and Melinda and had verified commercial airline schedules and private plane flight plans and found no record that either of them had traveled the night of December 25. Their alibis were solid.
Perfect Murder, Perfect Town
 
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This JAR thread is interesting. However, when I first started doing research on the case years ago, I remembered reading (somewhere) that JAR had been cleared as a suspect in the JBR murder due to his definitely not having been in Boulder/the Boulder area when she was killed. This appears definitive, unless I'm missing something:

Yes, completely agree.

I do think that John Ramsey (I believe John killed JB to prevent her from reporting PREVIOUS sexual abuse) does promote these Patsy, Burke, neighbor, intruder, Santa and John Andrew theories. Such as the "fake story" that John Andrew wanted to hire a hitman to kill JonBenet in a boating accident. I think John Ramsey planted that story.

Also, I don't believe the garbage that John's first marriage broke up because he had an affair with a co-worker. I think the reason was much more sinister - due to John's abuse of his daughter Elizabeth and perhaps his general demeanor.
 
WRT JAR's parents reuniting ...
Mr. Johnson would be an obstacle.



Who Is John Ramsey's First Wife? Lucinda Pasch Keeps A Low Profile

"The former couple were on good enough terms that John and Patsy flew to Atlanta to support Pasch while she was questioned by police about the whereabouts of she and John's two other children on Dec. 25, 1996, according to The Denver Post. The outlet referred to her as Lucinda Ramsey Johnson, indicating that she had re-married as well."

Tadpole,
Good find! Let’s ask ourselves why would JR and PR fly to Atlanta to support his ex wife and older children? When they are losing best friends because the R’s turned their backs on them. There is something very fishy about this!

One of JAR’s best friends in Atlanta was a pilot. JR had two planes. The flight was a little over 2 hrs. If memory serves me right. Do you know what the busiest airport in the US is?
Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport
It’s a possibility.
 
Tadpole,
Good find! Let’s ask ourselves why would JR and PR fly to Atlanta to support his ex wife and older children? When they are losing best friends because the R’s turned their backs on them. There is something very fishy about this!

One of JAR’s best friends in Atlanta was a pilot. JR had two planes. The flight was a little over 2 hrs. If memory serves me right. Do you know what the busiest airport in the US is?
Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport
It’s a possibility.
 
Why would John Andrew's college friends cover for him? He wasn't part of their family, just a friend. We don't even know if John Andrew really had a close friend who was a pilot, is that a story that his father planted in the media?

Police found an instructional video for stun gun usage in John's possession. This case is pretty obvious. Also I think Fleet White may have assisted John in the premeditated murder.

Plus John Andrew was never accused of sexual abuse. John was accused of sexual abuse by Elizabeth. Elizabeth's accusations against John were in 1992.
 
Interview above with TH and PR.

TH: "Did John Andrew have a Dr. Seuss book?"
PR: "Did John Andrew have a Dr. Seuss book?"
Classic evasion of answering a question by repeating it, and giving her time to come up with a fumbling response. This is reminiscent of her 911 call dialog. One hopes LE noticed.
A bit later, PR: "What book was it? Did it have any kid's name in it?"
Why is it of significance to her which Dr. Seuss book, or any other book, it was? Were there other books which may have come to her mind initially?
And then, PR, in a state of Ramnesia,: "I don't know. You got me. I don't know." Another redundancy sandwiching a statement that could imply that PR thought that LE had trapped her.
 
Why would John Andrew's college friends cover for him? He wasn't part of their family, just a friend. We don't even know if John Andrew really had a close friend who was a pilot, is that a story that his father planted in the media?

Police found an instructional video for stun gun usage in John's possession. This case is pretty obvious. Also I think Fleet White may have assisted John in the premeditated murder.

Plus John Andrew was never accused of sexual abuse. John was accused of sexual abuse by Elizabeth. Elizabeth's accusations against John were in 1992.

Why do you think Fleet White was involved? Have you read his pleas to Boulder County about the investigation and finding the killer?
 
As per grand jury investigation and testimony, Fleet White was the Secret Santa. That's one reason. And Fleet White was very anxious to endorse the Patsy and Burke theories, plus the theory that the premeditated murder was supposedly an accident. That's why I suspect Fleet White assisted John in the premeditated murder.

I guess either Patsy or JonBenet called the police on December 23, and that's when John and Fleet made up their minds to silence JB. Notice that Fleet White provided the fake excuse for the 911 call.

Also the similarities in accusations of Elizabeth against John, and Nancy Krebs against Fleet White. The two women never met each other. Nancy Krebs accusations against Fleet White were originally made several years prior to JB's murder.
 

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