Joe Barnhill told to forget what he saw

[Camper]

Good thought.

Heck with a speedy plane like that he coulda been anywhere for a quick pick up of 'drugs er?' and back out before anyone missed him. If he was not in Charlevoix that weekend or day or whenever, where was he, was he near Dad's plane er, hmmm.

Mary Keenan should be curious about that. Wonder if she is a crime buff, or just a political figure? One would have to follow details carefully to be able to put together the scenario evolving here at WS over time. I donut think, (could be wrong) that she ever got into the details so carefully as the rest of us.

My records are stashed away from our move, on the capacity of JR's plane, believe in neighborhood of 250 mph, does anyone have the figs close by on the speed of da plane?

So if the plane would not be ready on the morning of the 26th for two hours, perhaps the pilot was two hours out and not even there. Just because phone records might have shown a call to the pilot, does not mean that he ever talked to the pilot personally (per my pilot forgot his cell phone in a hurry thought), or if he did it could have been on the pilots cell phone way up in the air two hours out.

OR if he was an hour out and had to refuel to go again making it 'then' two hours, works for me.

This is the only theory that really really works for me after 6 plus years of head bashing.

 

[Thorkim]

I didn't hear the 911 call either. And I watched Geraldo and all those shows religiously back in the days this case was active.

Happy birthday Camper.

Hiya Seeker. You could very well be right about Rita Johnson, but I suppose this could be true about the Ram's investigators.

Imon, I agree, after MJenn's & TLynn's hard work, the JAR theory became a possibility for me. Altho I am not completely convinced on one particular theory or perp (it is mindboggling trying to settle on one), he is not off my radar list. JMO

 

[Toth]

>I found something strange on Rose's forum
I'm not surprised. Might be surprised if you didn't find something strange there.

>I'm not completely convinced he couldn't be involved somehow.
His arms are too short for him to have been involved in the murder. He can't reach to Boulder from Atlanta.

>The forgiveness comment,
You mean the comment that is attributed to him, but that he did not in fact make? What sort of evidence is that?

>someone said he "disappeared" right after the murder,
No he flew to Boulder and then back to Atlanta for the funeral.

>the rope in his room,
Not an item normally there, left by the intruder.

> And, his room was called "John Andrew's room" before the
>murder, then afterward it was referred to as the "guestroom."
Well, it also housed Patsy's mother for an extended period of time, didn't it? So I guess the room has even a third name.
You see something suspicious in that?

 

[Imon128]

Quote: > And, his room was called "John Andrew's room" before the
>murder, then afterward it was referred to as the "guestroom."
Well, it also housed Patsy's mother for an extended period of time, didn't it? So I guess the room has even a third name.
You see something suspicious in that?

So....which is it? And explain any differences, okay?

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by Toth
>the rope in his room,
Not an item normally there, left by the intruder.

LOL! - Another prime example of the Ramseys playing stupid. File it in the "not our bowl and spoon" folder, right next to "that's not our flashlight" and santa bear.
The BPD knows exactly who the rope belongs to.

 

[Imon128]

Yeah, it's JAR's. And, it might have been part of the Christmas tree deco's put on that Christmas tree in JAR's room...Patsy being the chief deco of trees boss to LHP. JAR's Christmas tree was done in a western motiff. Did JAR balk and to head matriarch, Patsy? To quote Smitty...'we just don't know'.

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by Camper
Or did he leave suddenly in the night on a flight where no one would be calling him and he would not need or just FORGOT in the haste to get outta Dodge?

In case you don't know, airports record the registration numbers of the airplanes that land and take-off there. Pilots also file flight plans.
The only way the Ramsey plane would have made some secret flight to Atlanta would be if it took off in darkness from, and landed in, a cornfield.
Not a real likely possibility....Boulder and Atlanta aren't exactly in the corn belt....LOL

 

[Camper]

Perhaps secret is not the word to have been used, perhaps covert might better apply here. Since flight plans can be done online, donut take long.

BPD was sleeping in on the 26th, I imagine there mighta been a skelton crew at the destination also.

Plus our pilot owned a flight business so a trip could have been designated so as to remove any question asking. Just where was Mr. Stein, the night of the 25th and the morning of the 26th was he on a business trip or?

Plus if our pilot took one of his planes that registration number would be logged not JR's plane. It would also explain JR's plane not being ready, if he was not quite back yet and had to refuel JR's plane or something unknown to me.

I do believe the airfield in GA may in fact have resembled a corn field on Christmas night and the wee hours of the 26, except for no corn stalks.

BPD was pretty much devoid of important people in the 5:30 am hour of the 26th. We were in the middle of an international holiday lest we forget.
People sleeping off egg nog etc.

Refueling in GA could have been done using a credit card on the gas pump, no attendant, huh, fo rthe return trip?

Shylock how many airfields are there in the GA area where they could have landed? I rest my case, the possibility exists, that it could have been done.

 

[Thorkim]

Toth, John Andrew did make the forgiveness comment, this came from the police. Sorry, it is true.

 

[Toth]

> And, his room was called "John Andrew's room" before the
>murder, then afterward it was referred to as the "guestroom."
Well, it also housed Patsy's mother for an extended period of time, didn't it? So I guess the room has even a third name.
You see something suspicious in that?

So....which is it? And explain any differences, okay? [/B]

Its whichever one you WANT it to be.
IF you want to say JAR room, go ahea.
IF you want to say JAR/Guesroom, as I do, go ahead.
If you want to say 'the room variously used by a number of different people on a number of different occasions and variously referred to as JAR's room, the Guest room, the spare room and Nedra's Room' you can say that too, though it sure would be a mouthfull.

The main thing to remember is that the rope appears alien. It is not an item that would normally be found in the room much less so prominently in the room. It is not at item of decoration for the room or a Christmas tree. The paper sack was rather dirty and would surely have come to the attention of a housekeeper if it had been there for a long time.

You can have all the suspicions you want about JAR, but I assure you,,, his arms are just a mite too short to reach all the way from Atlanta, GA to Boulder, CO. So no matter how much you desperately want him to be guilty, there is just no way it could have happened.

 

[Ivy]

Yes, JAR said that the person who killed JonBenet should be forgiven. That's just one more reason why I think Burke did it.

According to a story published in the October 1997 issue of Vanity Fair, John Andrew Ramsey was asked in a videotaped police interview what punishment he thought JonBenet's killer deserved.

"Forgiveness," was his answer, according to that article. Police then detailed for him the barbarity of the crime against JonBenet, and posed the question a second time. Again, he said, "Forgiveness."

Source

 

[Imon128]

It WAS JAR's room. It later got called the 'guest room'.

 

[Thorkim]

Exactly Imon. That is how I remember it being put, about the room.

Thanks for that, Ivy. This quote from JAR was in the police reports, from what I understand. And by the way, Burke is not off my list either. I still think a male Ramsey did this crime.

 

[Imon128]

Most assuredly, Thorkim, I think it was a male Ramsey as well.

 

[Toth]

According to a story published in the October 1997 issue of Vanity Fair, John Andrew Ramsey was asked in a videotaped police interview what punishment he thought JonBenet's killer deserved.
"Forgiveness," was his answer, according to that article.

Yes, according to the article, but not according to JAR.

 

[Imon128]

Do you KNOW JAR? It's in Steve's book, too, Toth. It's not up for debate. That is, unless you can prove to us JAR didn't say that per his lips?? Most anxious if you have that kind of "in".

 

[Seeker]

And here I thought Nedra stayed in the same room with JonBenet! I could swear I read that somewhere, something Nedra herself said.

 

[Toth]

I still think a male Ramsey did this crime.

But which male Ramsey?
The one with the arms that are too short to reach from Atlanta to Boulder?
Or
The one who not only would have no reason to kill his own daughter but whose dna does not match the dna found in the panties and under the fingernails?
Or
Are you one of those 'barking mad' ones that Tracey referred to?

 

[Imon128]

I think the male Ramsey was John Andrew....and I admit, I sway back from him to John Sr., but my money's on JAR at this point.

 

[Thorkim]

I don't know Toth, if I knew which male Ramsey committed this crime, I'd be a heroine, now wouldn't I? This is just my opinion on following this case for 7 long years now (a long OJ ride thru injustice). I think any of the three Ramseys in the house that night could be good for this, plus I cannot rule out JAR. IMO, I don't see a mysterious pedophile/kidnapper entering the house that night. You aren't gonna change my mind on this. And I don't give Bucky Tracey much credence, I don't give a crap who he says are barking.

Yes, Seeker, I seem to remember a certain NE interview that involved shamrock cookies in which Patsy admitted that during her cancer bout that Nedra slept in that room with JonBenet so John couldn't have sexually molested her, could he?