Jose B and H. Lee at the Crime Scene OLD THREAD REVISIT

[magnolia]

I wonder if the State will try to impeach Dr HL after the Judge spoke so highly of him today.

BBM
Exactly WHAT did the Judge say?

I would be interested to know as well. I don't recall Judge P making any comments about HL.

 

[RainyGirl]

I wonder if the State will try to impeach Dr HL after the Judge spoke so highly of him today.

Huh???
1. What did the Judge say? Please provide example/quote, thanks.
2. If His Honor did indeed speak highly of Dr. Lee, what does that matter??

Thanks!

 

[joypath]

I wonder if the State will try to impeach Dr HL after the Judge spoke so highly of him today.

NTS: I missed the hearing, could you elaborate where His Honor's statement regarding Henry Lee Ph. D. is located? I'd like to replay it for my staff.

 

[logicalgirl]

NTS: I missed the hearing, could you elaborate where His Honor's statement regarding Henry Lee Ph. D. is located? I'd like to replay it for my staff.

The only thing I remember Judge Perry saying about Dr. Lee was - was Baez sure Dr. Lee was not qualified to discuss the death band on the hair - and again Baez said not qualified, he would need another expert for that.

I didn't hear any praise.

 

[kbl8201]

wonder where dr lee was when we needed a forensic expert on our case.

oh thats, right, the girl in my case is innocent.

her case isnt famous.

and lee wouldnt get paid to help her.

 

[ZsaZsa]

The only person that JP praised today was CM- after Baez asked for a Jury selection expert JP quickly reminded CM that he and JP had worked together selecting Juries, that CM had vast litigation experience and had selected many a Jury without difficulty, he was one of the most pre eminent Defense Attorneys in the US and that he if anyone, could select a Jury without an 'expert'..

 

[notthatsmart]

NTS: I missed the hearing, could you elaborate where His Honor's statement regarding Henry Lee Ph. D. is located? I'd like to replay it for my staff.

Well there is no transcript that I know of yet, so how could I provide a link other than wftv and listen to the whole day. I think the comments are later and not at first. He was essentially saying the he felt that Hl could handle it.

I think they would have a tough time impeaching Hl and it could backfire on them. At any rate even if they find another expert he can still use Hl's findings and expertise.

Could you answer my question why High levels of chloroform kill humans and not flies? thanks

 

[Harmony 2]

Well there is no transcript that I know of yet, so how could I provide a link other than wftv and listen to the whole day. I think the comments are later and not at first. He was essentially saying the he felt that Hl could handle it.

I think they would have a tough time impeaching Hl and it could backfire on them. At any rate even if they find another expert he can still use Hl's findings and expertise.

Could you answer my question why High levels of chloroform kill humans and not flies? thanks

I am not a chemist but I will give it a try:

Chloroform evaporates quickly and in its concentrated gaseous form, it will tend to settle to the ground before dispersing. http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/html/chloroform.html

The trunk liner was tested and chloroform was found. Pieces from the spare tire cover were used for the air samples. Since chloroform settles to the ground this is where it was concentrated. The few bugs that were found on the trunk carpet were dead. When a deceased Caylee was decomposing on the carpet the enclosed trunk kept the initial fauna away and from responding. Later when she was placed in the plastic trash bags this provided an enclosed environment away from the source of the choroform. So when the coffin flies flew in and hatched eggs in the bags they were wrapped in a safe haven.

I am sure all will be explained during the trial and like today's hearing the judge will keep things running efficiently. Maybe the prosecution will use Lee to help them when they cross examine him.

 

[mitzi]

At least we now know after much speculation that HL left after examining the car, that he is still with the defense.

I'm not so sure about that, NTS...My thoughts are that when HL smelled that trunk, he knew what that smell was and at that point, he became a liability to the defense's case. That's not to say that the defense won't "act" like HL is still on the case in order to get some of Florida's money, in order to pay HL's tab before they cut him loose. This is just my opinion.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I hope Henry Lee isn't on the case by trial time. I think he has dementia or something. Some of the things he has pulled says to me that he is no longer playing with a full deck. I also blame him for OJ Simpson getting away with killing Nicole and Ron. That blood was OJ's blood and in the bronco there was Nicole and OJ's blood but Henry Lee who is an expert lied about the blood evidence. I just wonder how he sleeps at night after what he pulled in OJ's trial, Peterson that murdered his wife Kathleen, and hiding evidence at Spector's home. I hope the jurors remember.

I just want to say that after the hearing on Thurs Vinnie on TruTV was showing some video from the hearing to prove Casey is broke. Mason brought up the money that Baez paid himself and Lyon with. He said "......that little dab of money that the defense got......" LITTLE DAB of money!!!!!! Wasn't no little dab to me. When Mason said that my channel got changed. He just grinds my jaws...can't stand to hear him talk or look at him.

 

[truckengirl]

The only thing I remember Judge Perry saying about Dr. Lee was - was Baez sure Dr. Lee was not qualified to discuss the death band on the hair - and again Baez said not qualified, he would need another expert for that.

I didn't hear any praise.

And JP told JB to be careful quoting that HL was not qualified to testify as to the death band on the hair because that comment would come back at him later. Does anyone know if JB had HL examine the death band hair. And doesnt that mean that HL cannot testify about the hairs he supposedly found in the garbage bag from KC's truck since per JBs own words HL is not qualified to tell whether something has a death band or not. I think JB shot himself in the foot with that comment.

 

[ZsaZsa]

And JP told JB to be careful quoting that HL was not qualified to testify as to the death band on the hair because that comment would come back at him later. Does anyone know if JB had HL examine the death band hair. And doesnt that mean that HL cannot testify about the hairs he supposedly found in the garbage bag from KC's truck since per JBs own words HL is not qualified to tell whether something has a death band or not. I think JB shot himself in the foot with that comment.

It was delightful to watch... that comment quite made my day:dance:

 

[spqr]

Because the unknown person didn't know what was going on, and Casey's bus has a ton of room underneath. :wink:
It is not unusual for those who deal with a pathological liar to unknowingly participate in lying to others. They think they are telling the matter-of-fact- truth but reality is, they are lying.
Amy telling people that Caylee is with her nanny would be an example of that.
Amy is lying. Amy thinks she is telling the truth.
All sorts of things get skewed when a Casey personality is thrown in the mix.

bbm: Sorry, just catching up on this thread. I think to state Amy is/was lying is not a correct representation of her actions(or anyone in a similar situation). If someone tells you something(that is in fact a lie) but you don't know its a lie and you repeat it, well you are not lying. You are merely repeating what someone else has said. That doesn't make you a liar. If Amy in fact knew what she was told was a lie and subsequently repeated same and represented it as fact, that would be a lie. JMO

 

[joypath]

Well there is no transcript that I know of yet, so how could I provide a link other than wftv and listen to the whole day. I think the comments are later and not at first. He was essentially saying the he felt that Hl could handle it.

I think they would have a tough time impeaching Hl and it could backfire on them. At any rate even if they find another expert he can still use Hl's findings and expertise.

Could you answer my question why High levels of chloroform kill humans and not flies? thanks

Just back to this thread, ty for the response. Heard the comments from His Honor also as statements of anticipated skills of the chosen expert vs praise, interpretation.
Impeaching Henry Lee isn't the issue, it's challenging his interpretatiion and/or methodology of scientific analysis. Dr. Lee does have a serious credibility issue in his immediate past regarding evidence collection, it very well may enter this case. Depending on the reason WHY Henry was no longer testifying within the case itself would absolutely influence ME if I were the second string expert as to whether I'd utilize his findings and/or his expertise as a consultant!
Chloroform and death: 1. rapid evaporation into the air, the flies develop from casings on multiple levels of the corpse area. 2. one human has the chloroform as a direct O2 substitution, many flies beat the odds of saturation 3. research: minimal lethal dose principle
I believe this was covered in depth in other threads but this is off the top of my head.

 

[Mamabear1963]

Joypath...I appreciate your grace filled answer and your knowledge....you did better than I coulda woulda shoulda

:bow::bow::bow: :slap: is more my style unfortunately

 

[notthatsmart]

I am not a chemist but I will give it a try:



The trunk liner was tested and chloroform was found. Pieces from the spare tire cover were used for the air samples. Since chloroform settles to the ground this is where it was concentrated. The few bugs that were found on the trunk carpet were dead. When a deceased Caylee was decomposing on the carpet the enclosed trunk kept the initial fauna away and from responding. Later when she was placed in the plastic trash bags this provided an enclosed environment away from the source of the choroform. So when the coffin flies flew in and hatched eggs in the bags they were wrapped in a safe haven.

I am sure all will be explained during the trial and like today's hearing the judge will keep things running efficiently. Maybe the prosecution will use Lee to help them when they cross examine him.

The trunk liner was tested via air sample not ground sample. It makes no sense.

Okay, so some believe that she lay in the trunk before she was alledgedly put into bags? I am trying to figure out where some posters are going with this? Are posters saying Caylee died from Chloroform in the trunk but out of the bag and then was placed in a bag that protected the flies from the chloroform?

Where is it said that Caylee was ever in any bag? I know they found a couple small footbones within the bags (which does not mean inside the bags), but where is there a report from the crime scene that Caylee was ever in a bag or bags? And you are very good at finding documents, perhaps the best ever, so also could you find an official report that says she was "thrown" into the woods?

I am not sure Hl is going to testify, so possible no cross examination. They may find an expert that can study Hl's findings. Hl takes a lot of pictures, he holds up well under cross. IMO

 

[bogeygal]

The trunk liner was tested via air sample not ground sample. It makes no sense.

Okay, so some believe that she lay in the trunk before she was alledgedly put into bags? I am trying to figure out where some posters are going with this? Are posters saying Caylee died from Chloroform in the trunk but out of the bag and then was placed in a bag that protected the flies from the chloroform?

Where is it said that Caylee was ever in any bag? I know they found a couple small footbones within the bags (which does not mean inside the bags), but where is there a report from the crime scene that Caylee was ever in a bag or bags? And you are very good at finding documents, perhaps the best ever, so also could you find an official report that says she was "thrown" into the woods?

I am not sure Hl is going to testify, so possible no cross examination. They may find an expert that can study Hl's findings. Hl takes a lot of pictures, he holds up well under cross. IMO

BBM with Respect NTS


Regarding your bold about Caylee being in a bag or bags and whether or not that you believe she wasn't.....

BBM, and I hope it answers some questions you still have about Caylee's remains being put in gargage bags and possibly the canvas laundry bag from her own garage.

Caylee Anthony
ORLANDO, Fla. -- New evidence in the case of slain Florida toddler Caylee Anthony shows that her body was placed in a laundry-hamper bag and then secured in a plastic garbage bag before she was buried.

Documents the state attorney's office in Orlando released Wednesday also show the girl's mouth was covered with silver duct tape that had been adorned with a heart-shaped sticker. Duct tape also was attached to her head.

A utility worker found the 3-year-old's body last December in woods near where she lived with her mother and grandparents. Her mother, 22-year-old Casey Anthony, has been charged with her murder.

The toddler was reported missing to authorities in July, almost a month after she was last seen. Her third birthday passed while she was missing.

More than 100 pages of documents, including a search warrant and crime-scene technician reports, were released Wednesday in the Casey Anthony case as part of the discovery process.

A small, plastic toy and a Winnie the Pooh blanket were also found near Caylee's body, and clothing was discovered inside the bag containing her remains, according to the documents. Among the clothing items were a size 3T shirt, a pair of white shorts with vertical stripes and small cloth-type letters that appeared to be iron-ons, the documents said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481188,00.html

 

[Pensfan]

I hope Henry Lee isn't on the case by trial time. I think he has dementia or something. Some of the things he has pulled says to me that he is no longer playing with a full deck.

Lee and Baez read your thread. Here is their response.
http://xtrvaluedvds.com/images/laurel-and-hardy-dvd-2.jpg

 

[Dignity4Victims]

The trunk liner was tested via air sample not ground sample. It makes no sense.

Okay, so some believe that she lay in the trunk before she was alledgedly put into bags? I am trying to figure out where some posters are going with this? Are posters saying Caylee died from Chloroform in the trunk but out of the bag and then was placed in a bag that protected the flies from the chloroform?

Where is it said that Caylee was ever in any bag? I know they found a couple small footbones within the bags (which does not mean inside the bags), but where is there a report from the crime scene that Caylee was ever in a bag or bags? And you are very good at finding documents, perhaps the best ever, so also could you find an official report that says she was "thrown" into the woods?

I am not sure Hl is going to testify, so possible no cross examination. They may find an expert that can study Hl's findings. Hl takes a lot of pictures, he holds up well under cross. IMO

You're asking someone else to find information for you, ....... again.

Do you think Caylee may have gotten lost, wandered off of the Anthony's property, meandered down to the woods, and just fell over dead from exhaustion there?

I suppose she was also lugging the linen laundry bag from the Anthony garage too, right?

And her Winnie the Pooh blanket.....

and her plastic toys........

She just went for a lil' exploration expedition, sort of like Nadia did?

 

[RainyGirl]

The trunk liner was tested via air sample not ground sample. It makes no sense.

Okay, so some believe that she lay in the trunk before she was alledgedly put into bags? I am trying to figure out where some posters are going with this? Are posters saying Caylee died from Chloroform in the trunk but out of the bag and then was placed in a bag that protected the flies from the chloroform?

Where is it said that Caylee was ever in any bag? I know they found a couple small footbones within the bags (which does not mean inside the bags), but where is there a report from the crime scene that Caylee was ever in a bag or bags? And you are very good at finding documents, perhaps the best ever, so also could you find an official report that says she was "thrown" into the woods?

I am not sure Hl is going to testify, so possible no cross examination. They may find an expert that can study Hl's findings. Hl takes a lot of pictures, he holds up well under cross. IMO

bbm. I believe this prosecutorial team will have no problem discrediting HL on cross. His Spector problems speak for themselves.

Respectfully, NTS.....PLEASE PLEASE read the many, many intelligent, thoughtfully researched posts that have been written in response to you. There is a feature under "search" where you can see every single time someone has quoted and responded to you. Websleuthers are some of the most educated, intelligent, analytical and insightful posters out there. People are really trying to help you find your answers.....I know this, as I have learned SO MUCH from carefully reading and considering their responses to you! Take time to honestly consider Casey as highly (if not solely) responsible to what happened to end Caylee's life. If you open up that avenue of thought....you may see things differently. Just tryin to help. I do believe that you truly want to get to the bottom of all of Casey's lies and misdirection.....and find out what happened to sweet Caylee. I read the sincerity in your posts, I really do.

JMO, and Peace