Josh Duggar charged with Receipt/Possession Child Sexual Abuse Material, 29 April 2021 #2

[gitana1]

Josh Duggar says a family friend can't testify about his alleged child molestation admissions because of 'priest-penitent privilege'

During a pre-trial hearing on Monday, prosecutors questioned a family friend of the Duggars, Bobye Holt, who testified that Duggar had told her on multiple occasions about inappropriately touching young girls — both over and under their clothing.

Duggar's defense team sought in a Tuesday court filing to block prosecutors from calling Holt to the witness stand during the trial. They cited "the clergy privilege — also referred to as the priest-penitent privilege or the religious privilege," and likened it to the confidentiality agreements between attorneys and clients, and doctors and patients.

Duggar's attorneys argued that their client had viewed Holt as a "spiritual leader," and had spoken to her in "her spiritual and professional capacity with a reasonable expectation of confidentiality."

Federal prosecutors slammed the Duggar team's arguments in their own filing on Tuesday, noting that Holt "is not clergy at all" and therefore clergy privilege doesn't apply to her, and arguing that Duggar and his father have waived any privilege by making public statements addressing the molestation allegations.

"Any claim from [Duggar] now that he thought his admissions to Mrs. Holt were privileged has been vitiated by his and his family's face-saving press tour," prosecutors wrote.

A judge has yet to rule on Duggar's defense team's motion.

Oh my gosh. In their sect women can’t be pastors!!!

 

[gitana1]

Once Josh is sentenced (I believe he will be) what happens to Anna and her 7 kids! Will Michelle and Jim Bob take them in. In my mind I feel like the Parents likely blame Anna for what happened after she and Josh married. IMO

Sorry for so many posts!! I just got out of trial myself. Catching up.

Anna and the kids live with the Duggars and have since Josh went into “rehab” (which was not rehab at all).

Their sect absolutely blames women and female children for the transgressions of males who cheat or sexually assault someone, etc.

 

[CrimeAway]

This is interesting in regards to "lay clergy". Who is identified as "clergy"? I don't think that this objection is going to work.

It is interesting that Josh did confess to these folks. I wonder what precipitated this confession. Was it solicited? Did Josh just decide he felt guilt? There is a lot of context here that is missing. Why was Josh Duggar at this home? Had he been sent there?

I think that the People article has more details. I believe he "confessed" to his parents first, and then to the Holts (whose daughter he was courting at the time). Apparently, at least one of his victims also complained to Jim Bob and Michelle about the abuse (I'm not sure on the exact timing of this), JMO. Someone here, I believe on Monday, linked to a timeline from a local MSM source, which may help.

People Article (one of several):
Josh Duggar Admitted He First Molested Girls at Age 12, Family Friend Says in Emotional Testimony

The facts regarding the timeline of Josh's original abuse seem to have morphed, and developed over time, IMO. Even Jim Bob seems very unsure of the details.

 

[Bravo]

Seems all is forgiven once Josh confessed

 

[mickey2942]

Timothy L. Brooks - Wikipedia

The judge for the Josh Duggar trial. Appointment by former President Obama.

 

[Ontario Mom]

THEY DO NOT! They’re such liars! They are Independent Fundamentalist Baptists who believe strictly in the patriarchy and male leadership over women.

That's sort of what I suspected, but I wasn't sure. In which case, never, in a billion years would a male member of that church insinuate that a woman member was in any kind of spiritual authority over him. Nor would he ever state that there were any female church leaders counselling him. In that setting (that type of denom) it simply does NOT happen.

 

[tayaway]

It took a lot of guts for Bobye Holt, a member of Jim Bob's community, to testify at the trial. MOO: The blowback is going to be brutal for her. Kudos also to her daughter who was in courtship with Josh Duggar and broke up with him right after it was revealed he was sexually assaulting young girls. They broke up the day his family told them what was going on. As soon as she knew, she GTFO. Way to go!

People Nov 29:

But Josh and the Holts' daughter instead stopped seeing each other on March 30, 2003, Bobye said: She remembered the exact day because that's when she and Jim went to the Duggars' home, after a call from Jim Bob, 56, to Jim, to learn "what Josh had done."...

As Bobye recalled Josh telling her he had touched the four girls, she choked up.

One specific incident had led to the meeting that March, Bobye said. Something happened earlier that day. "[Josh] explained that Jane Doe four was sitting on his lap during Bible time and he touched her inappropriately," she said. "He said it happened that day. On that date, he told us that he touched her vaginal area," she continued. Only later did she learn, Bobye said, that Josh touched the girl under her clothes.

Josh also admitted to touching three other girls, Bobye said, each of them on their breasts and genitals.

 

[Cool Cats]

It took a lot of guts for Bobye Holt, a member of Jim Bob's community, to testify at the trial. MOO: The blowback is going to be brutal for her. Kudos also to her daughter who was in courtship with Josh Duggar and broke up with him right after it was revealed he was sexually assaulting young girls. They broke up the day his family told them what was going on. As soon as she knew, she GTFO. Way to go!

People Nov 29:

But Josh and the Holts' daughter instead stopped seeing each other on March 30, 2003, Bobye said: She remembered the exact day because that's when she and Jim went to the Duggars' home, after a call from Jim Bob, 56, to Jim, to learn "what Josh had done."...

As Bobye recalled Josh telling her he had touched the four girls, she choked up.

One specific incident had led to the meeting that March, Bobye said. Something happened earlier that day. "[Josh] explained that Jane Doe four was sitting on his lap during Bible time and he touched her inappropriately," she said. "He said it happened that day. On that date, he told us that he touched her vaginal area," she continued. Only later did she learn, Bobye said, that Josh touched the girl under her clothes.

Josh also admitted to touching three other girls, Bobye said, each of them on their breasts and genitals.

She had no choice but to tell the truth or else be like JB and say she couldn't remember. Wouldn't surprise me if the Duggars wanted her to "forget" so I got to give her credit for standing up to the Duggar family and giving real answers.

I mean the kind of answers that have the defense shaking in their expensive shoes wanting to block her testimony before the jury. This shows how good she was on the stand.

Will be interesting to see them trying to cross examine her.

 

[gitana1]

I can provide back up for everything that I state as fact about the Duggars. If anyone wants me to. But it is laborious. I did provide links to a ton to Tricia in connection with the Websleuths podcast about this case. I believe she posted them but I’m not sure where!

 

[mickey2942]

Josh Duggar trial: Jury selection has been completed with 12 jurors and 4 alternates: LIVE UPDATES

Sounds like the jury will have to view the CSAM material. If Anna Duggar comes to trial each day to support Josh Duggar, she will also be listening and exposed to the evidence.

This will be a difficult week for the family. It sounds like some family members may be witnesses for the prosecution.

 

[sds71]

The Judge asked if any of the potential jurors themselves or if they knew anyone who had been a victim of a crime involving sexual abuse. Four female and three male potential jurors raised their hands.

Next, the lawyers got their chance to talk to the potential jurors for the first and only time throughout this trial. Both the prosecution and defense questioned the jurors about their work experience. The prosecution asked five male potential jurors what their jobs are and what their favorite and least favorite aspects of their job is.
The defense asked how many potential jurors are small business owners, seven said they are currently or were in the past. They were also asked if any of them had employees they had to manage. The defense also asked how many potential jurors worked in areas such as IT security or software development, or if they were technology enthusiasts. Three raised their hands.

Jurors, alternates selected in Josh Duggar's child trial, Jim Bob Duggar won't testify

 

[gitana1]

It took a lot of guts for Bobye Holt, a member of Jim Bob's community, to testify at the trial. MOO: The blowback is going to be brutal for her. Kudos also to her daughter who was in courtship with Josh Duggar and broke up with him right after it was revealed he was sexually assaulting young girls. They broke up the day his family told them what was going on. As soon as she knew, she GTFO. Way to go!

People Nov 29:

But Josh and the Holts' daughter instead stopped seeing each other on March 30, 2003, Bobye said: She remembered the exact day because that's when she and Jim went to the Duggars' home, after a call from Jim Bob, 56, to Jim, to learn "what Josh had done."...

As Bobye recalled Josh telling her he had touched the four girls, she choked up.

One specific incident had led to the meeting that March, Bobye said. Something happened earlier that day. "[Josh] explained that Jane Doe four was sitting on his lap during Bible time and he touched her inappropriately," she said. "He said it happened that day. On that date, he told us that he touched her vaginal area," she continued. Only later did she learn, Bobye said, that Josh touched the girl under her clothes.

Josh also admitted to touching three other girls, Bobye said, each of them on their breasts and genitals.

Based on my research, it wasn’t up to the daughter. The parents decided. Also, googling “sin in the camp” and “Josh Duggar” might be illuminating to some.

 

[MsJosie]

I can provide back up for everything that I state as fact about the Duggars. If anyone wants me to. But it is laborious. I did provide links to a ton to Tricia in connection with the Websleuths podcast about this case. I believe she posted them but I’m not sure where!

YES, you have gitana1…..thank you for all the information and hard work you put in here besides you having a real job…..I always like reading what you post.

 

[mickey2942]

As Josh Duggar is charged with possession of child , a look back at his sexual abuse allegations | Daily Mail Online

This is one of the most comprehensive articles on the history of Josh Duggar. What is interesting in the article, is how JB Duggar minimizes and contradicts the facts.

MOO, is that this is just the tip of the proverbial "ice berg" in regards to the extent of Josh Duggar's pedophilia.

 

[tayaway]

Based on my research, it wasn’t up to the daughter. The parents decided. Also, googling “sin in the camp” and “Josh Duggar” might be illuminating to some.

What a rabbit hole. Oy.

 

[mickey2942]

Josh’s estranged sister Jill & brother Jed to testify at child trial

Jill Dillard, and Jedidiah Duggar are on the witness list. Jedidiah was working at the car dealership with Josh Duggar, when Department of Homeland Security came to the business.

Jill is one of the siblings Josh Duggar molested.

It is unknown at this time if these witnesses are for the defense or prosecution.

Jedidiah Duggar

 

[MsJosie]

Can you imagine what pressure Jedidiah and Jill might be and probably are under to not tell the truth? What pressure can their parents put on them? No matter who they are testifying for JBD must be trying every trick in the book to get Josh free. Jmoo
I would tell the truth and move with my spouse as far from there as I can. Some of the adult children have moved with the help and support of their spouses. Moo

 

[sds71]

Sex offender inmate is ordered to testify at Josh Duggar child trial | Daily Mail Online

• F. was booked into Washington County Detention Center in Fayetteville on drug charges three days before Duggar was arrested and taken to the facility
• DailyMail.com can reveal US attorneys got permission for US Marshals to transport the inmate to court to testify between November 30 and December 3
• His name was one of more than a dozen witnesses read out loud during jury selection on the first day of Duggar's trial Tuesday
• It's not clear exactly how the two men are connected but Duggar spent seven nights behind bars at the jail before being released on bail on May 5

 

[Bravo]

I wonder if Jed is testifying for the Prosecution. To get ahead of the Defense if they try to create doubt and throw Jed under the bus. Given the Brothers worked together.

 

[mickey2942]

I wonder if Jed is testifying for the Prosecution. To get ahead of the Defense if they try to create doubt and throw Jed under the bus. Given the Brothers worked together.

My opinion is that he is testifying for the Defense, given that he was at his parents home for Thanksgiving, Jill was not.

Expect a lot of "I don't recall".

 

[sds71]

IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED that the Government’s Motion in Limine to Admit Evidence of the Defendant’s Prior Child Molestation Conduct (Doc. 68) is GRANTED, and Defendant’s Motion in Limine to Exclude Evidence of Juvenile Allegations (Doc. 72) is DENIED.
IT IS SO ORDERED on this 1st day of December, 2021.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.106.0.pdf