Josh Duggar charged with Receipt/Possession Child Sexual Abuse Material, 29 April 2021 #2

[Springrain]

Did Anna leave the courtroom today when the evidence was shown? I saw a headline saying as much but I can’t locate it at the moment.

Yes, I saw it too and she did. I believe I saw that many jurors did as well.

 

[gitana1]

Josh Duggar child trial will include testimony from siblings Jill & Jed

This is a running summary of the day in trial. Noted, Derek Dillard, Jill's husband was there. He sat with Anna, Josh's wife. I am glad she has friends with her.

DHS officer discussed dates, times of downloaded material, and ruled out an employee who was not working at the car lot, until later. And discussed "Dark Web" browser, "Tor".

Wow. I’m surprised he sat with her. I think he’s there for justice, not Anna and I don’t think they’re friends now! But I don’t know for sure.

 

[gitana1]

I’m concerned that the judge’s ruling re: allowing prior molestation evidence will be an appellate issue. I guess we shall see.

Check out the code section that @sds71 posted about this. I quoted parts of the section having to do with admission of prior acts evidence. I was surprised it’s allowed. But the federal regs allow it.

 

[Hoosgirl]

Good, thorough recap of yesterday afternoon. I thought this tidbit was interesting:

The government added payroll records they had subpoenaed as an additional exhibit of evidence. Those records covered multiple months at the car lot, and prosecutors noted that no pay records were produced for the dates of May 14-16, 2019, the time frame in question.

Josh Duggar trial: Prosecution calls Homeland Security investigator, jury hears search warrant interview of Duggar

 

[BeckyF]

Check out the code section that @sds71 posted about this. I quoted parts of the section having to do with admission of prior acts evidence. I was surprised it’s allowed. But the federal regs allow it.

Thank You. I will read it over again.

 

[Doghairrules]

But, I definitely think JB will open his checkbook for an appeal. I sort of love it. That man is so cheap he squeaks. And this defense is probably running him over $500,000, if not more. Plus, having to support Josh, Anna, and all seven of the children. Cha ching, cha ching.

An appeal will probably run over another $500,000.

What's horrifying about that is that it's entirely possible some of that money came from the show his sisters did, if what the Dillards say about JB controlling that money is true.

ETA: there are zero ways to win in that family if you are female. Sigh.

 

[Cool Cats]

Josh Duggar Downloaded Images And Video Of Children As Young As 7 Being “Violated,” Prosecutors Said

The jury heard graphic descriptions on Wednesday of the materials from prosecutors, while Duggar’s defense maintained the 33-year-old didn’t have the technical knowledge to discreetly browse the illegal content found on the computer.

“Hold him accountable,” US Assistant Attorney Dustin Roberts said Wednesday in his opening statement, looking at the jury and pointing at Duggar, who appeared in court but did not speak. His wife, Anna Duggar, sat in the gallery.

According to prosecutors, Duggar used a device that virtually “split” his HP desktop work computer into “two independent sides,” allowing him to use the computer at the used car dealership’s “shed-like” office for usual business purposes on one side while browsing illegal content on the other.

In one case, Duggar downloaded a series of images titled “Marissa.zip” which featured a girl about 8 years old exposing her genitals before eventually being put in a cage, Roberts said.

The first witness for the prosecution was Detective Amber Kalmer, who first began to investigate the child sexual abuse activity in June 2019.

She testified on Wednesday that she was able to download portions of the content recorded by her surveillance software. One video she saw contained “two prepubescent females, zoomed in on their vaginal areas, being penetrated by an adult man’s penis,” she said. Kalmer added she was also able to view images of nude young girls with a “focus on the vaginal area.” There were 65 images.

When she first reviewed the content in June 2019, she told the court she didn’t assume the activity was associated with any particular individual — she only had an IP address in Springdale, Arkansas, and alerted a law enforcement colleague there, who agreed to start an investigation. Law enforcement were able to ask the internet service provider who was connected with the specific IP address, leading them to Duggar, she said.

 

[Cool Cats]

Defense:

1.) The defense blamed government investigators for moving slowly to investigate the illegal activity — which law enforcement software detected in May 2019 but was not flagged by officials until June 2019.

2.) According to the defense, law enforcement unfairly associated the activity with Duggar before exploring all other potential avenues, such as his coworkers.

3.) Defense attorney Justin Gelfand argued that Duggar didn’t have the knowledge to install the sophisticated software found on his work computer.

4.) He suggested someone else was responsible, describing the case as an “old-fashioned whodunit.”

From above link

 

[JMapes]

Defense:

1.) The defense blamed government investigators for moving slowly to investigate the illegal activity — which law enforcement software detected in May 2019 but was not flagged by officials until June 2019.

2.) According to the defense, law enforcement unfairly associated the activity with Duggar before exploring all other potential avenues, such as his coworkers.

3.) Defense attorney Justin Gelfand argued that Duggar didn’t have the knowledge to install the sophisticated software found on his work computer.

4.) He suggested someone else was responsible, describing the case as an “old-fashioned whodunit.”

From above link

Oh, give me a break. Does his defense even know how EASY it is to download Tor and use it!? All you have to do is google "download Tor" and you get a direct link to download the browser on any device you own (Windows, Linux, Mac & Android). Seriously, one click. Done.

It's also pretty darn easy to partition your hard drive. I wanted to play PC-based games on my Mac laptop as a teen and was able to make it work by partitioning the hard drive and running Windows on the partition. It's like creating an entire secondary computer within your computer. It's as easy to hide as it is to use, IMO.

I am the same age as Josh. I was also downloading Tor and browsing underground web markets at 20 (mostly curiosity about organ trade, I know I have eccentric but legal curiosities lol) . Playing dumb is not going to work for Joshy's defense IMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

Oh, give me a break. Does his defense even know how EASY it is to download Tor and use it!? All you have to do is google "download Tor" and you get a direct link to download the browser on any device you own (Windows, Linux, Mac & Android). Seriously, one click. Done.

It's also pretty darn easy to partition your hard drive. I wanted to play PC-based games on my Mac laptop as a teen and was able to make it work by partitioning the hard drive and running Windows on the partition. It's like creating an entire secondary computer within your computer. It's as easy to hide as it is to use, IMO.

I am the same age as Josh. I was also downloading Tor and browsing underground web markets at 20 (mostly curiosity about organ trade, I know I have eccentric but legal curiosities lol) . Playing dumb is not going to work for Joshy's defense IMO.

Good points. Also:

The agents asked whether Duggar is familiar with peer-to-peer networks. Duggar said he was and that he had used these networks on all three of his devices.

 

[Shamrock1]

Check out the code section that @sds71 posted about this. I quoted parts of the section having to do with admission of prior acts evidence. I was surprised it’s allowed. But the federal regs allow it.

I was also surprised as well - but my background isn’t really in federal or criminal practice. Enjoyed reading the order (and the footnotes, ha!) - seems clear that prior bad acts were properly admitted here.

 

[mickey2942]

Defense: our client is too stupid to find CSAM and download it.

Well, I would sort of almost agree to that, if they did not also have time and date stamps of Josh Duggar being at car lot, alone, when CSAM is downloaded/viewed.

I don't even think that he used anything to hide his IP address.

 

[Shamrock1]

Oh, give me a break. Does his defense even know how EASY it is to download Tor and use it!? All you have to do is google "download Tor" and you get a direct link to download the browser on any device you own (Windows, Linux, Mac & Android). Seriously, one click. Done.

It's also pretty darn easy to partition your hard drive. I wanted to play PC-based games on my Mac laptop as a teen and was able to make it work by partitioning the hard drive and running Windows on the partition. It's like creating an entire secondary computer within your computer. It's as easy to hide as it is to use, IMO.

I am the same age as Josh. I was also downloading Tor and browsing underground web markets at 20 (mostly curiosity about organ trade, I know I have eccentric but legal curiosities lol) . Playing dumb is not going to work for Joshy's defense IMO.

I’m only a few years older but my high school nickname was “Grandma” so I feel I belong to a older demographic on the tech/cool kid fronts. I don’t have Tor but I knew 10+ years ago that I could access clear instructions within seconds.

I’m also reminded of the theory that extremely strict parenting has a tendency to create kids who are extremely good at sneaking around (for both good and bad purposes).

ETA: I would be surprised if there are NOT tons of sites/threads devoted to bypassing software like CovenantEyes.

JMO.

 

[Scrapper18]

Homeland Security agent takes the stand in Josh Duggar trial: LIVE UPDATES

Defense questions Homeland Security

 

[elliefant]

It's also pretty darn easy to partition your hard drive. I wanted to play PC-based games on my Mac laptop as a teen and was able to make it work by partitioning the hard drive and running Windows on the partition. It's like creating an entire secondary computer within your computer. It's as easy to hide as it is to use, IMO.
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I did the exact same on my MacBook, and I am a non-techie oldie. I obtained a legit piece of software that did it all for me. There is no way he would be unable to do this.

 

[scapa]

Oh, give me a break. Does his defense even know how EASY it is to download Tor and use it!? All you have to do is google "download Tor" and you get a direct link to download the browser on any device you own (Windows, Linux, Mac & Android). Seriously, one click. Done.

It's also pretty darn easy to partition your hard drive. I wanted to play PC-based games on my Mac laptop as a teen and was able to make it work by partitioning the hard drive and running Windows on the partition. It's like creating an entire secondary computer within your computer. It's as easy to hide as it is to use, IMO.

I am the same age as Josh. I was also downloading Tor and browsing underground web markets at 20 (mostly curiosity about organ trade, I know I have eccentric but legal curiosities lol) . Playing dumb is not going to work for Joshy's defense IMO.

Agree that what he's said to have done is not difficult, and would add that he was clearly highly motivated to have a clear lane in terms of downloading this CSA material -- this was an obsession that had to be fed, not a casual hobby, IMO. If he had to do a little (very little) research to make it happen he was going to do it.

 

[gitana1]

I was also surprised as well - but my background isn’t really in federal or criminal practice. Enjoyed reading the order (and the footnotes, ha!) - seems clear that prior bad acts were properly admitted here.

Oh are you an attorney too? I just found out that prior bad acts evidence is allowed in CA in state criminal cases as well, when it comes to certain crimes like child abuse. I love that the federal regulation states that accessing CSA is also considered child sexual abuse perpetrated by the possessor/receiver of the materials!!!!!! Interesting, right?

 

[gitana1]

Good, thorough recap of yesterday afternoon. I thought this tidbit was interesting:

The government added payroll records they had subpoenaed as an additional exhibit of evidence. Those records covered multiple months at the car lot, and prosecutors noted that no pay records were produced for the dates of May 14-16, 2019, the time frame in question.

Josh Duggar trial: Prosecution calls Homeland Security investigator, jury hears search warrant interview of Duggar

So basically, they can show that no employee was working there on those days? Just Josh? Awesome.

 

[Cool Cats]

• Prosecution in Josh Duggar case describes how he downloaded 65 images of a 'nude 7-year-old girl' | Daily Mail Online
• Josh Duggar SMILES in court & 'in high spirits' during child trial

Josh Duggar and wife Anna head into court today where they heard the prosecutor describe how he used his car lot's worktop computer to download a sickening trove of child with titles including Daisy's Destruction, Playtoy Sweetie and Pedo Mom.

Josh smirked into the thermal camera.

Sketch of Josh Duggar in federal court

Joy-Anna Duggar's husband Austin Forsyth was spotted alone in the back

Jill Duggar's husband Derick Dillard joined the family on Day two.

 

[Ruminations]

What's horrifying about that is that it's entirely possible some of that money came from the show his sisters did, if what the Dillards say about JB controlling that money is true.

ETA: there are zero ways to win in that family if you are female. Sigh.

So true.

I am flabbergasted that JimBob will invalidate 4 daughters, losing their respect and trust, at least in part, to defend one pervert son.

1 boy > 4 girls?


Obviously, he is not making the $$$ choice- respecting one's daughters is free. His son, who can't wipe his poop eating grin off his face, has got to have costed him hundred of thousands in opportunity costs and legal bills already, and the total is far from in.

IMO, part of the "calculation" is that the culture thinks SA helps "good" girls grow into better women then they would have been without SA. (Pukity puke, puke). And the ones that turn bitter, well better to know upfront.

<modsnip> IMO, speculation only.