Journalistic Ransom Note

[capps]

Lacy Wood,

If I'm understanding correctly,you are suggesting that the ransom note may be a prewritten "just in case" note. Anything is a possibility. Pretty risky though,to have such a threatening note hidden some where,and some how found by someone before needed.

That would take ALOT of explaining! Good thought though.

 

[Camper]

I wrote a huge post this afternoon and lost it, I have now tried to recreate my thoughts.

Problems posting again!!!!!!!!!!!! Later


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[Lacy Wood]

A point I slip in occasionally: If there had been an earlier abuse event by anyone, and there was a plan/ scheme (or just an exploring of the possibility) to explain anatomical changes in JBR for pediatricians, etc, it could have included a note written ahead of time. The note could have already been there whether it was the scheme that failed or if another abuse episode led to death.

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[Lacy Wood]

Lacy Wood,

If I'm understanding correctly,you are suggesting that the ransom note may be a prewritten "just in case" note. Anything is a possibility. Pretty risky though,to have such a threatening note hidden some where,and some how found by someone before needed.

That would take ALOT of explaining! Good thought though.

Thanks capps, but I wouldn't say "just in case". The idea comes from the autopsy evidence of physical evidence of recent abuse that occurred prior to the fatal night. If a family member knew something could be seen by a pediatrician or reported to school nurse/ teacher/ counselor then a police report would be made. This fear could have motivated someone to think of a staged event to "explain" those changes. A note would be needed. That is one plausible reason for a note that seems to be implausible for an intruder (or anyone else for that matter.) If true, it would have been a plan that either was or was about to be implemented.

 

[Camper]

The blanket with semen may have been 'put away' at the Dec 23rd party,
immediately after the 911 call/OR just before the call, OR during the
hub bub of finding someone 'with' JonBenet in her room.

The fact that neither the Ramseys, nor their close friends answered the
door when the BPD came in response to the 911 call. By JR's own
testimony Stines were NOT close friends with the Ramseys until AFTER the
murder, YET Ms. Stine took it upon herself OR was asked to answer the
door and explain the 911 call through a closed door to BPD.

IF I had misdialed and caused the police to come, I would have
personally answered the door and explained the problem, wished the
officer a very Merry Christmas and given him a cookie.

HOW long could a call have taken to ensure that a prescription could be
refilled by his mothers doctor? HOW did White know his mother needed
another prescription, who was taking care of his mother - why didn't
they do the calling from where the mother was. WHERE was her doctor
anyhow? Did his mother call White to tell him she needed another
prescription, why didn't she call her own doctor. We don't know a lot
of needed information here.

This bell is not ringing, it has a crack in it, when you hit it with the
striker, it goes klunk, for me anyway. Something is wrong with the
picture they have painted for us.

Where was everyone else ? that they could not or did not answer the
door? IF IF Ms. Stine was asked to answer the door to the officer, WHY
didn't she courteously answer the door?

Jon Benet visited the school nurse's office two times on a Monday prior
to the murder. Zaniah provided the information and documentation for
that info.

The dictionary was opened to incest. IF a person (family member or
whomever it might have been) was found with JonBenet on the 23rd, I
would bet that all heck broke loose, lectures would have prevailed, 911
might have been dialed, and cooler heads prevailed, but not soon enough
to prevent the BPD from answering the call.

Great embarrassment for the molesting person, I would guess. Would it
have been enough to cause the molester to have pre-prepared and planned
the demise of the JonBenet?

I need a source for this comment, (think it was in Steve Thomas book not
sure) LHP ? found JonBenet sitting in the step to the basement crying
the 23rd, saying she did not feel pretty? Could this have been from the
above lecture - in regard to the 911 call, and whatever caused everyone
to be out of the area for answering the door to the BPD?

Then we have Mr. Barnhill seeing JAR walking up to the Ramsey home on
Christmas Day. Does Fleet White know that JAR was in fact at the party
on the 23rd and at the home on the 25th? BUT has he kept quiet about
this since JR ponied up lawyers for everyone ASAP in GA?

Alibi's for GA family, with theatre ticket stubs for Christmas night for
JAR and his friends.

The missing traditional Christmas morning movie of the happy time of
Christmas. Did it record someone who was not to be known to be in the
home on Christmas?

A pre written ransom note Christmas afternoon, while the family was gone
to the White's party ? (I would like to have known if Mr. Barnhill saw the person he saw approaching the Ramsey home Christmas day carrying anything?

JonBenet telling her little friend that she was to have a 'secret visit'
from Santa after Christmas?
Forgiveness for the killer, that would be ODD, so soon after the
murder. This was attributed to JAR, someone needs to post a source for that, my olde thinking is that it was from a magazine interview with JAR.

Most likely asking forgiveness to be given, would be something that would be said after much time had passed and the killer found.

So many many little things seem to add up to a big total, imop.



Looks like my post is gonna work this morning!!!!! Gremlins in my puter.



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[Cranberry]

Re: the school nurse visit...Does anyone know when JBR's school let out for the Christmas break?

 

[Camper]

Re: the school nurse visit...Does anyone know when JBR's school let out for the Christmas break?

----------->>>OOPS what a great question Cranberry! :clap: This question set my mind in motion again, did I remember incorrectly about the two weeks prior to the murder as being the precise two Mondays before Christmas,

Christmas of 1996, December 25th was a Wednesday, the party of the 23rd would have been have been on a Monday. So IF IF IF someone kept record of Zaniahs posts about the DATES of the two Mondays preceding the murder when JonBenet went to the school nurse, this would be the perfect place to POST them.



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[duffy]

Good post Camper. Do we know who made the 911 call on the 23rd or was it just a hang-up? So much of this I don't remember.

Are you saying a ramsey thought of "faking" a kidnapping prior to 25/26 to explain the vaginal trauma, intending that a kidnapping would indeed be faked? And then an outburst by someone ended up in JonBenet's tragic death?

I can buy that theory a lot quicker that the true foriegn faction killing her by accident and then jr running for office later to be able to become big enough to go after the said foreign faction.

The theory that Burke was the one doing the molesting doesn't ring true with me. Don't you think if it were Burke and JonBenet experimenting sexually and john or patsy caught them, as a parent I would be mad as he** but I would call a good therapist. If I got so angry I had to strike someone it would more than likely be Burke, being the older of the two.

If Burke is ejaculating at 10 yrs old, I think that is too young to not have been sexualized by an adult. Maybe they were both being molested which might account (I think) for Burke's attitude when Jon Benet was murdered.

One thing that bothers me is john and patsy letting Burke out of their sight on the 26th. I know they had bigger fish to fry but I also think if they were afraid Burke was involved or knew too much I don't think they would let Burke out of their sight being afraid under the circumstances he would say something.

Maybe Burke was also being molested and the blanket he ejaculated on was not part of the murder scene.

 

[Toltec]

JonBenet's past sexual abuse cannot be set aside and forgotten...what are the chances two people molested her? The person who molested her around the 23d is the same person who molested her the night she died.

So there was no kidnapper/foreign faction.

Camper...school was let out I believe the 20th...the day I believe JonBenet sang and danced herself to exhaustion for her entire school. (I still cannot believe Patsy put this poor little baby through this)

Anyhoo...the medication Fleet was frantically trying to get for his mother was coming from overseas. He was checking to see what flight the medication was coming from so he would pick it up on his way to Aspen. He did leave for Aspen the 23d with his family.

The pitbull Susan Stine answered the door and told the Officer that everything was fine and the 911 call was an accident. This is a very important detail because from what I read...JonBenet was answering the door that night and hanging up coats. So....why didn't she answer the door that time?

 

[Camper]

I Camper will address duffy's post in blue.

:doh:

Good post Camper. Do we know who made the 911 call on the 23rd or was it just a hang-up? So much of this I don't remember.

Supposedly F. White made the call and punched 911, which the only way he might have done that would have been doing a 'foreign country code telephone call which typically starts by dialing 1-011-country code and phone number correct me if I err, but you get the picture.

Are you saying a ramsey thought of "faking" a kidnapping prior to 25/26 to explain the vaginal trauma, intending that a kidnapping would indeed be faked? And then an outburst by someone ended up in JonBenet's tragic death?

Wellllll, IF IF IF the 911 call on the 23rd was because of some major molestation by someone at the party = who in turn lost face/embarrassed to death especially if PATSY made the 911 call, and IF IF it was an older person NOT Burke. That molester could be 'our' killer. The dictionary was open to 'incest'.

I can buy that theory a lot quicker that the true foriegn faction killing her by accident and then jr running for office later to be able to become big enough to go after the said foreign faction.

jr running for office ? ? ?

The theory that Burke was the one doing the molesting doesn't ring true with me. Don't you think if it were Burke and JonBenet experimenting sexually and john or patsy caught them, as a parent I would be mad as he** but I would call a good therapist. If I got so angry I had to strike someone it would more than likely be Burke, being the older of the two.

My theory about Burke OR any 10 year old, is that he would have been more interested in his computer games, than sex.

If Burke is ejaculating at 10 yrs old, I think that is too young to not have been sexualized by an adult. Maybe they were both being molested which might account (I think) for Burke's attitude when Jon Benet was murdered.

No opinion on that.

One thing that bothers me is john and patsy letting Burke out of their sight on the 26th. I know they had bigger fish to fry but I also think if they were afraid Burke was involved or knew too much I don't think they would let Burke out of their sight being afraid under the circumstances he would say something.

Burke may know something, he allowed as how he had secrets when asked by the police interrogator. No topic for 'the' secrets was ever published.

Maybe Burke was also being molested and the blanket he ejaculated on was not part of the murder scene.

I have never read nor heard any information substantiating your comment.



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[Cranberry]

JonBenet's past sexual abuse cannot be set aside and forgotten...what are the chances two people molested her? The person who molested her around the 23d is the same person who molested her the night she died.

So there was no kidnapper/foreign faction.

Camper...school was let out I believe the 20th...the day I believe JonBenet sang and danced herself to exhaustion for her entire school. (I still cannot believe Patsy put this poor little baby through this)

Anyhoo...the medication Fleet was frantically trying to get for his mother was coming from overseas. He was checking to see what flight the medication was coming from so he would pick it up on his way to Aspen. He did leave for Aspen the 23d with his family.

The pitbull Susan Stine answered the door and told the Officer that everything was fine and the 911 call was an accident. This is a very important detail because from what I read...JonBenet was answering the door that night and hanging up coats. So....why didn't she answer the door that time?

Thank you for the info Toltec. I wondered what the telephone # for directory info in '96 was in CO? (like 411 is used today) was it 0 back then or something else? I am searching past threads (there are many)...

 

[Camper]

I Camper, will address dear Toltecs post in purple.

JonBenet's past sexual abuse cannot be set aside and forgotten...what are the chances two people molested her? The person who molested her around the 23d is the same person who molested her the night she died.

I agree the same person who had done it before!

So there was no kidnapper/foreign faction.
I concur.

Camper...school was let out I believe the 20th...the day I believe JonBenet sang and danced herself to exhaustion for her entire school. (I still cannot believe Patsy put this poor little baby through this)

The 20th would of course been a Friday, so the two trips to the school nurse would have happened the Monday of that week, AND the week before. I am thinking it was you Toltec, I could be wrong, but someone had refreshed my hed about Patsy frantically trying to reach Dr. Beuf sometime around this time frame, AM I right or am I wrong, and a source would be nice for that, HELLLLLLLP.

Anyhoo...the medication Fleet was frantically trying to get for his mother was coming from overseas. He was checking to see what flight the medication was coming from so he would pick it up on his way to Aspen. He did leave for Aspen the 23d with his family.

Were they driving to Aspen, or did they fly? I wonder if they flew from Denver, in private plane? The airport at Aspen is quite small, and more suited to private craft IF IF IF I am remembering correctly. I also wonder what meds would be coming from overseas???

The pitbull Susan Stine answered the door and told the Officer that everything was fine and the 911 call was an accident. This is a very important detail because from what I read...JonBenet was answering the door that night and hanging up coats. So....why didn't she answer the door that time?

Wonder who the last person to arrive at the party BEFORE BPD came was. I am thinking that perhaps JonBenet would not have been tall enough, nor the hall closet large enough to hang all of the guests coats in there, and she may have hustled them upstairs to a bedroom to toss on a bed. Toltec, I remember reading that Susan did not open the door to the BPD, but talked through the door somehow, am I right, need help on that one for an actual source. I know that I read it, but I cannot remember where AFTER 8.5 years.


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[capps]

Isn't this thread about the ransom note?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Isn't this thread about the ransom note?

Haven't you noticed that almost every thread evolves into an RDI with scandal material?

Just because the RN addresses the who, what, where, etc. doesn't necessarily make it journalistic. It may suggest the perp is fairly organized, and/or has some technical experience in writing composition.

 

[capps]

Haven't you noticed that almost every thread evolves into an RDI with scandal material?

Just because the RN addresses the who, what, where, etc. doesn't necessarily make it journalistic. It may suggest the perp is fairly organized, and/or has some technical experience in writing composition.

I don't know about that HOTYH ... but I sure as heck know it doesn't look or sound like a note that was written by someone under severe stress.

 

[GuruJosh]

Haven't you noticed that almost every thread evolves into an RDI with scandal material?

Just because the RN addresses the who, what, where, etc. doesn't necessarily make it journalistic. It may suggest the perp is fairly organized, and/or has some technical experience in writing composition.

i agree that who, what, where is not particularly relevant. It's not just basic journalism, it's basic common sense (apart from the ludicrous LENGTH of the note), so i don't think it matters so much, although it's an interesting observation.

what DOES matter more IMO is that IF Patsy wrote the note, it is very strange that she was so "together" to write a decent note (with the who what where's) - ..... if she was so together, and not as panicked as you might imagine, then why didn't she take JBR to the hospital?

even if she was the one who struck JBR, i still think she would have taken her baby to the hosptial. I can't believe the suggestion that, having struck JBR in a rage, she decided to carefully go about writing a 3 page note and staging the scene of the accident/crime, rather than taking her to hospital where she could explain the injury as something else.

All this points in my opinion either to Patsy covering up well and truly AFTER the deed was done (by Burke for exmaple), or to an intruder.

I don't believe Patsy could have thought that the best way to deal with an accidental / rage-inspired blow to the head was to sit down and write a 3 page note with a fake kidnapping! Come on! The detectives saw Patsy's strong, intelligent side (along with, i admit, her conniving, fake, and flirtatious/manipulative sides) when they interviewed her for 20 hours. She doesn't crack like that! She must have been covering for someone (Burke, JAR, John, a paedophilic ring, or whatever), IF she wrote it.

 

[Camper]

Yessss, the thread is about the ransom note it is MY thread, IF IF you scroll to the top it will give you that information, IF IF you are in doubt about the topic.

In the old days, when folks were quite simple in thought word and deed. Most folks had no money, therefore no need for burglar alarms in their homes. So the who, what, where, when and why covers a topic for all who want to know ALL of the news that is important. Covering the subject if you will.

I find it ODD that the ransom note had to cover all of the bases, the who, the what, the where, the when, the why OF the HOW COME JON BENET is/was dead, WHEN the tome indicated that the child was KIDNAPPED?

I do believe that since the crime was presented as a KIDNAPPING in a three page document, even though it was found NOT to be a KIDNAPPING that the FBI should take over the case ANYWAY.

I know that you cannot yell fire in a theatre or you get heck and hauled away to the striped jail cell spa.

A proposed KIDNAPPING that turned into a murder, is no different, and of course we have the cover up letter to cover the actual murder. Whether it was a pre-med murder is now being discussed here. IF IF IF it were pre-med, then the note was pre-meditatedly written by someone who was possibly very afraid of being found out.

"Belief and actual truth are often strangers", sage saying by Camper.

You are free to believe what you wish about this case or about the topic, but the truth is still not known.

Lets get the FBI going on this, OR get another law on the books such as Laci/Conner law. IF a RANSOM NOTE is found at the scene of a murder, then let the FBI take it, and let the DA and all the other folks who mishandled this case, give JonBenet her justice.

Wonder where you folks were 8.5 years ago? Many of us here at WS have worked mightily hard to find justice for JonBenet, and all other little girls like her, before, after and yet to come, to be murdered for perverted reasons, by perverted individuals.

I feel certain the FBI could find your foreign faction for you all.

Fumbles McGerk, Tracy and the TV networks haven't found the foreign faction yet.

I think most foreign factions probably use brown paper grocery sacks to write their ransom notes on, and just need a small piece of it, not the whole bag.

The ransom note was full of :liar: 's and more :liar: 's.

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[Camper]

Thank you moderator!

A previous post, by a previous person, quoted Holdontoyourhat, I would like to also.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat
Haven't you noticed that almost every thread evolves into an RDI with scandal material?

Just because the RN addresses the who, what, where, etc. doesn't necessarily make it journalistic. It may suggest the perp is fairly organized, and/or has some technical experience in writing composition.

Holdontoyourhat, you really struck a new chord for me, pointing to the
specifics of the note, that really gives more credence to the specific person that is on my A list of suspects.

I am curious about which scandalous material you refer to? Thanks.

At one time on WS, there was a great deal of thought given to the possibility
that the note was written elsewhere by someone else. A pre med thought
pointing to a family member. The truth remains illusive.

======================>>>The regular posters on this thread do get
posting alert responses to the thread. To those people who know the content of the attack on me I will respond.

It seems that I struck a vital chord in my thought that the FBI should have been and should be involved in this case NOW.

I have crawled out from under the bus and am just fine. :blowkiss:

 

[Thorkim]

Re: the John Andrew forgiveness remark, it was from the 9/16/97 Vanity Fair article by Anne Louise Bardoch. I found it at ACR's website. This also includes John Ramsey's (slip of the Lizard Tongue) remark about finding JB at 11:00 am. Here is the paragraph that explains it:

John Ramsey's children from his first marriage, Melinda, 25, and John Andrew, 21, along with Melinda's boyfriend, Stewart Long, arrived at the Ramsey house at 7:55 P.M. on December 26. Ramsey ran to the curb to meet them. Long ,a med-school graduate, told police that Ramsey had said that JonBenet had gone to heaven," and that he had found her body at 11:00 A.M., although, according to police reports, he found the body at 1 in the afternoon. The following day, investigators videotaped an interview with John Andrew, at the conclusion of which they asked him what he thought an appropriate punishment would be for the person that committed this crime. After a long pause he said, "Forgiveness." Incredulous, the detectives went into the brutality of his half-sister's murder and asked him to reconsider his answer. Another silence ensued, then he said again, "Forgiveness." (John Andrew Ramsey and Long declined to comment)

 

[tipper]

Camper's quote:

"The ransom note has all of the features of a story written by a Journalism major.

Who did it - Foreign Faction
What happened - Kidnapping
Where - Ramsey home
When - Everyone is sleeping
Why - Foreign Faction does not like the Ramseys
How - Strangulation by garote"


I'm not clear on the above. As I read it the ransom note contains only
Who did it - Foreign Faction
What happened - Kidnapping
Why - Foreign Faction does not like the Ramseys

It doesn't mention "Strangulation by garote" or the "Ramsey home" or "Everyone is sleeping". The How, Where and When of the original post.