Kathleen Savio's death #2

[DeltaDawn]

Wow..all of you have been so busy posting different ideas..I'm at a loss here. This is wonderful to see so many points of view. Great job everyone!

 

[panthera]

I have one fear about the phone records- Nextel phones have a walkie-talkie feature- direct connect- if Stacy tried via direct connect instead of calling him, the records might not exist. My bill only shows the minutes used via direct connect. I'm not sure if she used that feature if they would be recorded.

If he wasn't at home and she tried to call him, she could've used the walkie-talkie feature instead and that wouldn't be traceable? Wouldn't that have a limited range? Sorry, obviously I don't have Nextel and I'm confused!

 

[BarnGoddess]

I have one fear about the phone records- Nextel phones have a walkie-talkie feature- direct connect- if Stacy tried via direct connect instead of calling him, the records might not exist. My bill only shows the minutes used via direct connect. I'm not sure if she used that feature if they would be recorded.

Dobler is that feature something new? Does it go back to 2004? We sometimes see these things in ads and don't think about how long they've been around.

 

[Dobler]

I've had my phone with that feature in 2003. The range is really good. I'm trying to find my info- too many papers.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Dobler is that feature something new? Does it go back to 2004? We sometimes see these things in ads and don't think about how long they've been around.

I'm sure they've been driving me crazy for at least that long :doh:

My neighbor has one and brings it with whe she comes over and her 5 adult kids talk to her constantly. I feel stupid sitting here and listening to both sides of the conversation :crazy:

 

[Dobler]

I looked at the Sprint/Nextel website, and I think they are able to itemize the calls on direct connect, but I don't know if they can if the calls don't go thru. If I try to call my hubby's phone and can't go thru it makes a nasty beep- you don't get voicemail unless you call the number without using direct connect.

 

[DeltaDawn]

I agree here completely.

Let's just hope that *statement* that Stacy made giving Drew the alibi that night is an official police statement still on file in Bolingbrook or whoever had all the paperwork for the so called investigation back then. I would think for Drew, back in March 2004 and for any years following, that having that official police statement in writing and on file by Stacy for his alibi would have been very important.

What I would interesting in knowing is.....

1) How far in advance did Drew plan that night to go to Kathleens?

2) Did he only tell Stacy about that night because she caught him red handed not being at home when she woke up? Otherwise he could have went out that night, did the deed, creeped back home, took his shower, hid the bag of clothing for later disposal, jumped back into bed with Stacy and she may have never known he was missing that night. So why admit to her that he killed Kathleen?

ACR

If we believe that Stacy was indeed calling him that night because hewas not in bed with her where he belonged then we also must assume that she didn't know about this taking place with Kathleen before hand. She caught him red handed.

Also I do believe he planned this and it was premeditated because he would not have been in dark clothing at Kathleen's at that hour. He had this planned to a T..Stacy caught him, by confessing to her he was making her an accomplice after the fact. He was in effect holding a gun to her head and saying here is the alibi..deal with it..

 

[thesleuther]

If we believe that Stacy was indeed calling him that night because hewas not in bed with her where he belonged then we also must assume that she didn't know about this taking place with Kathleen before hand. She caught him red handed.

Also I do believe he planned this and it was premeditated because he would not have been in dark clothing at Kathleen's at that hour. He had this planned to a T..Stacy caught him, by confessing to her he was making her an accomplice after the fact. He was in effect holding a gun to her head and saying here is the alibi..deal with it..

I have to agree with you on both counts. AND, what I think is really important is that Stacy, by lying for Drew, was an accessory after the fact and you can bet your bottom dollar that Drew let her know that she was as guilty as he and that if she ever went to the police that she would go to prison and someone else would raise her children. He most likely made it as bad as it could possibly be. This was pre-meditated murder driven undoubtedly by money. He received a lot by Kathleen's death and he didn't have to write any monthly checks to her. This man is nothing but slime.

 

[cricket]

I have to agree with you on both counts. AND, what I think is really important is that Stacy, by lying for Drew, was an accessory after the fact and you can bet your bottom dollar that Drew let her know that she was as guilty as he and that if she ever went to the police that she would go to prison and someone else would raise her children. He most likely made it as bad as it could possibly be. This was pre-meditated murder driven undoubtedly by money. He received a lot by Kathleen's death and he didn't have to write any monthly checks to her. This man is nothing but slime.

ITA - and given Stacy's youth, the fact that she had an infant child and only a HS degree, I can just see him manipulating her over this. When you think about the difference in their ages and that he was in LE, I would think she would have believed a lot of what he told her to be the truth.

All the talking head shrinks have been saying that sociopaths are very good at picking their victims.

 

[thesleuther]

ITA - and given Stacy's youth, the fact that she had an infant child and only a HS degree, I can just see him manipulating her over this. When you think about the difference in their ages and that he was in LE, I would think she would have believed a lot of what he told her to be the truth.

All the talking head shrinks have been saying that sociopaths are very good at picking their victims.

Yes, all those things. And I agree, Stacy's childhood was troubled and Drew picked a little girl that he thought he could raise. When she started back to nursing school and got a small taste of independence, she seemed to begin to blossom. Can you imagine her finding friends near her age and then going home to grandpa? Just imagine a married cop hitting on a 16-year old...sheesh. That alone would raise flags to any normal person. So disgusting.

 

[Vegas Bride]

I don't think Stacy knew anything about Kathleens murder until after the fact and I am sure DrewP put his spin on it, it's very sad that by Stacy going along and giving him the alibi she put herself in the same situation as Kathleen.
IMO if a man cheats on 1 woman, he'll cheat on the next woman, in DrewP's case I guess we can say if he kills 1 woman then he'll kill the next woman also.

VB

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Forget the phone calls for a minute...where is the bag of women's clothing? Has it ever been mentioned what happened to them? All I keep hearing is that Stacy reported to the Pastor she saw Drew with it, but nothing about what became of it. This could directly connect Drew to the murder and the phone calls would merely be a brief blip on the screen as far as any circumstantial evidence goes.

I keep hoping they find some kind of diary where this is all spelled out from Stacy. I believe she would be the type to write this all down and hide it from Drew. She was brave enough to tell the Pastor and I think before then...she would have wanted a way to "get it off her chest" by telling a diary. They need to go all out to find if such a book or online journal exists because the proof would be there.

 

[Wudge]

I don't think Stacy knew anything about Kathleens murder until after the fact and I am sure DrewP put his spin on it, it's very sad that by Stacy going along and giving him the alibi she put herself in the same situation as Kathleen.
IMO if a man cheats on 1 woman, he'll cheat on the next woman, in DrewP's case I guess we can say if he kills 1 woman then he'll kill the next woman also.

VB

Whether before or after the fact, if Stacy "knew" but did not divulge her knowledge (as she allegedly told the pastor) she would be an accessory to murder. If a person was or became an "accessory" before or after the fact, they would be wise to keep on the good side of a murderer who would have nothing to lose by adding to their record.

(Sherlock 101)

 

[Camper]

Great posts ALL.

Add to this night of horror, the fact that the two little children by Kathleen and DP were in DP's house that very night. Then he escorts them back to their mothers home and cannot get an answer to the door.

Does anyone remember HOW his friend happened to be with him at 'the' door?

Did this friend ALWAYS go with DP when he took the children back home after visitation?

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[Camper]

Forget the phone calls for a minute...where is the bag of women's clothing? Has it ever been mentioned what happened to them? All I keep hearing is that Stacy reported to the Pastor she saw Drew with it, but nothing about what became of it. This could directly connect Drew to the murder and the phone calls would merely be a brief blip on the screen as far as any circumstantial evidence goes.

I keep hoping they find some kind of diary where this is all spelled out from Stacy. I believe she would be the type to write this all down and hide it from Drew. She was brave enough to tell the Pastor and I think before then...she would have wanted a way to "get it off her chest" by telling a diary. They need to go all out to find if such a book or online journal exists because the proof would be there.

--->>>I think so too. Wonder IF IF she stashed it in the garage somewhere yet to be found. Maybe it is in the computer ISP took from the home?

I don't think that DP covered ALL of the bases on this one. :behindbar:

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[Vegas Bride]

If Kathleen was murdered between 2 and 4 a.m. I would think the bag of womens clothing would have been some type of pajamas, maybe a robe. Whatever it was the poor woman had on when DrewP broke into her home. The clothes would have shown a struggle, possibly torn and also blood and with her having the "accident" in the tub she would need to be naked. Did her home have a second floor? It also could have been staged to look like she'd fallen down the stairs. Using the tub would have helped wash away evidence left on her body.
Interesting that DrewP wasted no time in cleaning the tub, makes me wonder if some clothing fibers could have been found there IF there had been an actual investigation to her death.
IF there had been a real investigation it may have been found that 1 of her nightgowns was missing, then the question could have been asked, what happened to it?
DrewP had plenty of time to get rid of it, did they have a fireplace?
I really wish Stacy had something written down about what she knew regarding Kathleens death, given someone a letter to be opened if something were to happen to her, of course Kathleen sent letters and look what happened to her!
The more that comes out about Kathleens death, the more my heart breaks for this poor woman.

VB

 

[nanandjim]

I wonder if Drew is going to get away with both murders. I doubt very seriously that the cell phone company keeps these records for this length of time unless there is a government regulation. I just can't see it. Can you imagine how much computer space would be needed to store the millions of calls made? I used to work for the phone company "back in the day." I think that we kept backup tapes for 90 days to six months, sometimes a year for the important data. I don't know what they do today. I just hope that I am wrong.

Greta, who usually enrages me with her leanings towards the perps, is actually stating how pathetic the investigation was and her suspicions. This says a lot to me. If I were a citizen of Bolingbrook, I would be disgusted, enraged and scared. My tax dollars are going to a police force that is either so incompetent that no crimes are solved or they are so corrupt that only the crimes that they want to solve are being solved. Either way, I wouldn't want to live in that town.

To top it off, they will be paying a pension to an individual who probably has murdered at least two times, if not more, and committed all sorts of crimes. If they can't get him on the murders, I surely hope that they are working to get him on something else. This case reminds me of the mob. Members of the mob more times than not got away with murder and other various crimes.

 

[DeltaDawn]

This is incorrect. No witness (except in a specific cases involving child abuse due to recent statutes) is required to voluntarily divulge information. If they are questioned by LE and lie then they are open to charges of obstruction, but just keeping quiet is not a crime, although I personally find it disgusting.

What I understood to be true was that Stacy did not just keep quiet, but when questioned said what Drew had told her to say..that he was at home asleep in bed with her that evening.

 

[nanandjim]

This is incorrect. No witness (except in a specific cases involving child abuse due to recent statutes) is required to voluntarily divulge information. If they are questioned by LE and lie then they are open to charges of obstruction, but just keeping quiet is not a crime, although I personally find it disgusting.

Here in Nevada we had this case of Sherrice Iverson who was murdered by Jeremy Strohmeyer. A portion of the assault and killing was witnessed by Strohmeyer's friend David Cash. Despite the publicity - Cash was very aware that the police were looking for Jeremy Strohmeyer - he said nothing because Strohmeyer was his friend. Cash could not be prosecuted. A law was introduced to criminalize just such a lack of action but it was never passed.

A teen-ager's inaction in the slaying of Sherrice Iverson is not a crime, authorities say.

Criminal Law 101. (milky way)

Hey Adnoid. Unfortunately, I think that Stacy may have been afraid that she would be charged with the murder, too. Drew may have insinuated as much. In any case, who could she go to?? I can tell you that I would not have stayed in that house once I realized that he was a murderer. That would have been pretty quickly after I was told what to say and then I discovered that the ex-wife was murdered the night that he was not at home and I found him washing his clothes, etc. I would have been afraid for my life.

Geez...to me, anyone who is sick enough to commit murder and who can get away with it and who is on the police force will have no problem killing again.

The time to have gotten out would have been very quickly after realizing that he was likely responsible for this crime. However, I can see her being deathly afraid of speaking up and the police force covering it up. She would then end up having an accident of her own.

From the info given on Greta last night, it sounds like he incapacitated Kathleen by striking her on the kneecaps with the nightstick. IMO, this prevented her from fleeing. Then, he struck her on the head. What a sick, sick person.

 

[SuziQ]

Good morning everyone.

Camper, IIRC, the children were not with Drew when he returned to the house. He pulled up along Steve's car and asked Steve to come with him because he couldn't get ahold of Kathleen and that a locksmith was on his way. Steve parked at his house, retrieved Kathleen's friend and her son and they all walked over to Kathleens.

Vegas, Cassandra stated at Findstacy.com that Drew's fireplace, now anyways is gas, I don't know about four years ago though.

Nan, Mark F. verified with Nextel that they do keep records for (7years?). That would make sense, because I think that's standard record keeping practice for any company.