GUILTY KY - Trey Zwicker, 14, beaten to death, Louisville, 11 May 2011 #2

[Thundar]

That 'Continue Watching?' is driving me nuts. I just got another and then goes live right to the white noise from he11. :banghead:

Did the ME say that the dirt on Trey's back was from someone's foot holding the body down? I remember reading that a shoe print was found on his lower back?

I don't recall this witness saying anything about a foot holding the victim down. She did say he was knocked down and stayed down.

 

[Agatha_C]

Jason Riley ‏@jasonrileyCJ 2m

Neither medical examiner believes a baseball bat was used to kill Trey. Yet some witnesses say they saw or heard about a bloody bat.

 

[Agatha_C]

Does anyone have the link for WAB's feed.....the WLKY one is just spinning and spinning and not coming back. It did this the other day too and I had to go to HLN to watch.

http://wildabouttrial.com/joshua-young-live-stream.html

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

http://wildabouttrial.com/joshua-young-live-stream.html

Thundar I'm watching on this link too. It has the 'Continue Watching?' which is a pain but it comes back pretty quick for me.

 

[Thundar]

Defense asking witness again about saying that she could not say for sure how many people attacked the victim.

Noise and questions from the jury.......

 

[Agatha_C]

That 'Continue Watching?' is driving me nuts. I just got another and then goes live right to the white noise from he11. :banghead:

Did the ME say that the dirt on Trey's back was from someone's foot holding the body down? I remember reading that a shoe print was found on his lower back?

Trey's grandmother said it was a shoe print on one of the HLN shows...

 

[Agatha_C]

Jason Riley ‏@jasonrileyCJ 1m

Medical examiner said after police told her bat might have been used, she factored that in and decided it could have caused head injury

 

[Cappuccino]

Jason Riley ‏@jasonrileyCJ 2m

Neither medical examiner believes a baseball bat was used to kill Trey. Yet some witnesses say they saw or heard about a bloody bat.

Well, there goes Cassie's story. Back on the fence. :fence:

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Trey's grandmother said it was a shoe print on one of the HLN shows...

Thanks Agatha! I wonder what witness is supposed to bring that evidence in? I thought, for sure, it would be the ME after none of the Police at the scene mentioned it.

 

[Jewels53]

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 29m
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[Thundar]

Juror questions
second weapon...a bat be used.....yes

yellow chip.....was taking to the lab

abrasions to the hand be caused by being stepped on.....no can't say

can she tell in what order the wounds occured.......went through her scenereo again

missed one....

did trey try to defend himself.......I can't say but it does not appear so

how long was there heart activity.......can't say for sure.......minutes perhaps..does not know if he was awake....maybe 7 minutes

missed another one

if it was wood would there have been wooden pieces.....did not find any wooden fragments in the injuries.......

(What did you come up with Jewels?)

 

[Agatha_C]

Thanks Agatha! I wonder what witness is supposed to bring that evidence in? I thought, for sure, it would be the ME after none of the Police at the scene mentioned it.

Maybe it will come in when the State gets their Rebuttal......

 

[Agatha_C]

Marissa Alter ‏@WLKYMarissa 1m

Jury questions: Could bat be used to cause bruising on bat and neck? Yes. Order of injuries? Punched..fell back..then got other injuries

Jason Riley ‏@jasonrileyCJ 2m

Jury questions: Could bat have been used to cause bruising to neck? Yes
Order of injuries: Punched in eye first.
Punch knock him out? Maybe

 

[Agatha_C]

Marissa Alter ‏@WLKYMarissa 1m

Jury questions: Did Trey lose consciousness? Not certain. Did try to defend self? No evidence of that. How long lived after blows? Sev mins

Jason Riley ‏@jasonrileyCJ 1m

How long could he have lived? Several minutes. Less than an hour. Not conscious during death.
Woot or metal weapon used? Can't tell

Marissa Alter ‏@WLKYMarissa 45s

Beckham dismissed. Going on a break for 15 minutes.

 

[Cappuccino]

So a bat could have been used then. Did we get a Time of Death in there anywhere?

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Juror questions
second weapon...a bat be used.....yes

yellow chip.....was taking to the lab

abrasions to the hand be caused by being stepped on.....no can't say

can she tell in what order the wounds occured.......went through her scenereo again

missed one....

did trey try to defend himself.......I can't say but it does not appear so

how long was there heart activity.......can't say for sure.......minutes perhaps..does not know if he was awake....maybe 7 minutes

missed another one

if it was wood would there have been wooden pieces.....did not find any wooden fragments in the injuries.......

(What did you come up with Jewels?)

Awake maybe seven minutes??? Man that is an eternity! I thought Trey was unconscious after being sucker punched in the face? Seven minutes? While he's face down in the mud and can't breathe? Is that even possible? Seven minutes without air?

I hope he wasn't awake. How awful for him and for the people who loved him to think about that torture to him.

 

[Jewels53]

Juror questions
second weapon...a bat be used.....yes

yellow chip.....was taking to the lab

abrasions to the hand be caused by being stepped on.....no can't say

can she tell in what order the wounds occured.......went through her scenereo again

missed one....

did trey try to defend himself.......I can't say but it does not appear so

how long was there heart activity.......can't say for sure.......minutes perhaps..does not know if he was awake....maybe 7 minutes

missed another one

if it was wood would there have been wooden pieces.....did not find any wooden fragments in the injuries.......

(What did you come up with Jewels?)

I must have missed something. What was I supposed to come up with?

 

[Cappuccino]

I think the seven might have been a mishearing of several minutes. I don't see how an ME would pinpoint seven minutes if she didn't even know if he was conscious or not.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Was it several or seven minutes? Easy enough boo boo. Believe me I've done much worse with what I thought I heard someone say.

 

[Thundar]

So a bat could have been used then. Did we get a Time of Death in there anywhere?

Not that I caught.....there was food in his stomch that was eaten an hour or two before death......but there is conflicting info on when he ate last. The picnic was over by 7:30 Or 8:30 (the time when the bunch was at John and Cassies watching a movie). But Amanda had put up a plate for big Josh which the victim consumed, but we do not know at what time he consumed it. The witness who slept on Amanda's couch says she saw no one after she laid down on the couch, so when did the victim eat last?