GUILTY KY - Trey Zwicker, 14, beaten to death, Louisville, 11 May 2011 #2

[TigerBalm]

 

[digitalwindows]

And remember Josh only lived there for 6 weeks full time. The rest of the time it was only on the weekends. So for 5 weeks and a few days Gouker and Josh Young lived at Cassies house full time.

 

[AngelWings444]

When JY is sitting, he is a tall as his blonde attorney, standing up..WOW. He's taller than everyone. Those defendant darn chairs need some superglue.

 

[TigerBalm]

Jury being excused to continue deliberating

Right when my feed decided to stop

 

[twall]

Really?

I thought he was being tried as an adult?

imo

doesn't matter...last year SCOTUS ruled no LWOP for juveniles

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/supreme-overrules-life-parole-juveniles/story?id=16519254

 

[AngelWings444]

I just dont think this is an accurate account of the living arrangements according to Amanda's testimony. She said that she and Gouker broke up after the abortion in January. And Gouker moved out and was fine with it. Gouker was living with Josh in Cassies house during those months before the two days in June when Amanda and Gouker started hooking up again. Amanda stated Gouker did not live there, did not have a toothbrush her home.

Others testified that Gouker WAS living at Amanda's. Amanda didn't want Trey's Dad and CPS to know that Gouker was living at her home. IMO - She was not telling the truth. Gouker was spending all his time with and at Amanda's. JMO

 

[seattlechiquita]

I see we're on verdict watch. I do not know what to believe, still :fence: on this trial.

 

[lonetraveler]

So did that sob Joshua Powell. I remember that big dopey, confused look on his mug. I bet he didn't look like that when he killed his wife. I bet he didn't look like that when he took a hatchet to his two young sons killing them before offing his miserable self and setting the home on fire.

I just keep remembering Josh Gouker stating that he told Joshua Y. to just act crazy. Maybe he is trying to do just that by putting on the "blank" and confused look.

 

[Jewels53]

I am still here with everyone trying to stay awake. I woke up too early this morning. I hope this jury can come to a conclusion very soon. I pray they make it a right decision. lease:

 

[lonetraveler]

I just dont think this is an accurate account of the living arrangements according to Amanda's testimony. She said that she and Gouker broke up after the abortion in January. And Gouker moved out and was fine with it. Gouker was living with Josh in Cassies house during those months before the two days in June when Amanda and Gouker started hooking up again. Amanda stated Gouker did not live there, did not have a toothbrush her home.

No toothbrush huh? Well then, that means he didn't have an extra set of clothes to put on to go murder Trey, right? Because later on he is wearing the very same shirt that he is seen wearing in the convenience store. No blood on it.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Jury being excused to continue deliberating

Right when my feed decided to stop

Think he could swing a bat hard enough? I sure do.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I just dont think this is an accurate account of the living arrangements according to Amanda's testimony. She said that she and Gouker broke up after the abortion in January. And Gouker moved out and was fine with it. Gouker was living with Josh in Cassies house during those months before the two days in June when Amanda and Gouker started hooking up again. Amanda stated Gouker did not live there, did not have a toothbrush her home.

I thought she said that the social worker came to her house to check on the living arrangements.

June? I don't know about June but Trey was murdered in May and JG was there with her all of that night.

I thought I remember something about them having to lie about where they lived.

 

[aa9511]

I definitely think this murder was much more personal to JY than just done to impress daddy dearest.

Just think about it.

JY had to live a lie. He had to tell CPR that he lived as one big happy family. One dad, one mom, 2 sons and a little sister. Yet the stark reality was that was just a façade and he had to fake it once a week in front of the social worker. Josh Young during the entire time JG had him he was only 'allowed' to stay over at Amanda's two times. "Allowed' to really be a part of his pretend family.

I think Josh Young hated that he was tossed aside and left out of the real family unit. The other kids had their own bedrooms while JY had to go stay at Cassie's in a spare bedroom.

I think he resented the hell out of Trey because Trey was known as the good son who had a supportive father that loved him for him and did a lot of productive things with him. I even wonder if he was told by either JG or Amanda 'why don't you act like Trey?' because Trey was known as quiet, easygoing, and very family oriented.

I just think this was very personal with a lot of rage pent up inside of JY. He had wanted to be with his dad but yet most every night he was told to go stay elsewhere and couldn't be with his 'pretend' family he was suppose to have.

IMO

Ocean...you and I are thinking so much alike on this one! I think EXACTLY the same thing....that's why I even doubt whether it was all Gouker's "agenda" to begin with. I think what probably happened was that Gouker would say things about Terry Zwicker...which he also said on the stand that he didn't like him. So he would probably say this stuff in front of Little Josh. Cassie stated that Gouker had mentioned "eye-for-eye" talking about Amanda's abortion -- I believe Gouker was saying that in the heat of the moment...like Amanda wants to take my baby...how would she feel if I took her baby from her? The way Cassie said it also implied that he was just kinda venting to her...but I'm sure he did this venting a few times in front of little Josh.

Then you have on top of that, like you said, this thing where Little Josh was kind of the "outsider" in Amanda's family...Amanda had her own family unit with Trey and Kenzie, and Gouker obviously wanted to be with Amanda and by extension he would be a part of that. If he wanted to be with Amanda, he had to be with her kids. On the stand, it was clear that Amanda didn't think much of Little Josh even before Trey's death. It didn't matter to her where he slept, or whether he had a room like Trey and Kenzie. He was Gouker's and she didn't care about him, other than she had to deal with him 'cause of her connection with Gouker.

So here you have Little Josh staying at Cassie's, with Big Josh spending most days and nights at Amanda's and with Amanda, and so by extension with Trey 'cause Trey was naturally at his mom's some of the time. Meanwhile Little Josh has to go over to Trey's house to see his own dady.

I feel like all of this built up and built up in Little Josh, and he finally took it all out on Trey. It was not that he had a specific beef with Trey, it was just that Trey was who he directed his resenment at for everything wrong with his relationship with his dad and for his living arrangements, etc.. And he was jealous of Trey, IMO.

He took Gouker's off-hand comments, combined them with his own resentment, and put it all on Trey. Trey was, unfortunately, connected to everything -- Terry, Amanda, Gouker, and all of that mess. All of the things that bothered Little Josh. He was the connection, even though he had no idea he was hated by Little Josh.

 

[digitalwindows]

Others testified that Gouker WAS living at Amanda's. Amanda didn't want Trey's Dad and CPS to know that Gouker was living at her home. IMO - She was not telling the truth. Gouker was spending all his time with and at Amanda's. JMO

So why would Amanda knowingly lie under oath about this now?

 

[TigerBalm]

I just keep remembering Josh Gouker stating that he told Joshua Y. to just act crazy. Maybe he is trying to do just that by putting on the "blank" and confused look.

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[CUCKOOHEAD]

doesn't matter...last year SCOTUS ruled no LWOP for juveniles

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/supreme-overrules-life-parole-juveniles/story?id=16519254

That's okay with me. Maybe after 50 years he will be remorseful and ask for forgiveness for taking a young man's life and denying Trey's family the joys of continuing to know and love Trey as he matured in his life.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

I just keep remembering Josh Gouker stating that he told Joshua Y. to just act crazy. Maybe he is trying to do just that by putting on the "blank" and confused look.

Ya know lonetraveler I imagine that JG prep his son for this whole thing. If it came to JY being charged how to act and look in court. JY wasn't acting in the police interviews. IMO

 

[aa9511]

So why would Amanda knowingly lie under oath about this now?

Yes, I believe that she would about that because if I recall correctly, she doesn't have full custody of Kenzie anymore. So she wouldn't want CPS to use her testimony on the stand to keep her from gaining custody of Kenzie, or from taking away visitation rights.

I can completley understand why she would like about that. It doesn't have to do with the murder directly. And if I had a daughter I was afraid of losing, I wouldn't say anything either that might make CPS mad.

 

[digitalwindows]

Cassie stated that Gouker had mentioned "eye-for-eye" talking about Amanda's abortion -- I believe Gouker was saying that in the heat of the moment...like Amanda wants to take my baby...how would she feel if I took her baby from her? The way Cassie said it also implied that he was just kinda venting to her...but I'm sure he did this venting a few times in front of little Josh.

IMO anything Cassy says is not credible. Where does she show in any part of this trial that her word is credible? Gouker was throwing anything and everything against the wall to see what would stick. Josh was only with his Bio dad for 6 weeks. He do you really think he built up that much antomosiity and hatred that he would kill his step brother? He had been in and out of foster homes for years, did he try to hurt or kill any of those other kids in those home cause he was an outsider, no. His foster sister who knew him for 3 years did not mention any of that to her, nor did she witness ever witness it.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

aa9511, did Arias really say 'Now my philosophy is that it's never okay to kill someone'?

If so that is mind boggling.