Kyron's doctors appointment

[STEADFAST]

Okay, Jo......so now then we have the school to think about. Why did they not follow up and find out why Kyron was at school? Are we going to allow the school to say "Well, the teacher told us she THOUGHT Kyron left with his mom for a Dr's appt." Seems to me that's another assumption this school made on the behalf of Kyron's safety, with zero follow up.

ITA. It does seem as if the school was in the habit of a very relaxed practice of allowing parents to casually take their children out of the school with no questions asked. IMO, this lax practice was very familiar to and convenient for Terri. If the school had insisted that Terri produce a note and check Kyron out at the office, she would have had to come up with a different plan if she wanted to buy that many hours of time. They were played for fools and they asked for it by habitually not following their own policies.

 

[debs]

ITA. It does seem as if the school was in the habit of a very relaxed practice of allowing parents to casually take their children out of the school with no questions asked. IMO, this lax practice was very familiar to and convenient for Terri. If the school had insisted that Terri produce a note and check Kyron out at the office, she would have had to come up with a different plan if she wanted to buy that many hours of time. They were played for fools and they asked for it by habitually not following their own policies.

IF she was the one who took him out. Regardless of who Kyron left that school with, I feel the school should be held accountable.

 

[JBean]

I just did a few minutes of searching, but couldn't find the photos showing the inside of Kyron's classroom. I wanted to see if maybe the coat area wasn't easily visible, so the teacher may not have noticed the bag and coat still there. Some classrooms just have hooks at the back of the room, but others have a little closet area, or coat room, with doors.

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[JBean]

We know that the baby was ill. perhaps TH mentioned to the teacher she was considering taking the baby to the doctor and it morphed into the unrelated paperwork for the upcoming doctor's appt for Kyron.

 

[Jo in Calif]

Okay, Jo......so now then we have the school to think about. Why did they not follow up and find out why Kyron was at school? Are we going to allow the school to say "Well, the teacher told us she THOUGHT Kyron left with his mom for a Dr's appt." Seems to me that's another assumption this school made on the behalf of Kyron's safety, with zero follow up.

I assume you meant why Kyron was not at school.
The school did not have the policy to call parents when their children were marked absent.
This is the problem here.
I assume, because this was not the policy with this school, nothing like this has never happened, or it would have been implemented before now. The office was totally unaware of any Dr. appointment at the time of the 911 call, I assume.
When the office received all the attendance slips, from all the teachers,of all the students that were marked absent and checked them against all the calls and emails from the parents, that their child was not going to be at school that day, any student that did not have an excused absence, would get a call from the school. That policy was not in place.(unfortunately)
As far as I know that was not a law(unfortunately)
With the new policy, I believe parents will be called by 10:00, 2 hours after attendance slips are turned into the office.
Even if the policy had of been in place on the 4th of June, roll call wasn't taken until 10:00 and the office , probably wouldn't have made the call until 12:00, this would have been better than the time of the discovery of Kyron being missing, but not, IMO, soon enough for what ever happened to him to have been stopped. I don't see how the school could be held responsible for Kyron gone missing.

 

[STEADFAST]

IF she was the one who took him out. Regardless of who Kyron left that school with, I feel the school should be held accountable.

I agree to a point. If they had a policy of calling LE if a student was not present and not checked out by a parent, very important, valuable time could have been saved by the school's sure knowledge that he was either definitely present or definitely absent with a parent.

Two things, though. There's no check out policy that would protect him from being taken from the school by anyone with evil plans, be they parent, stranger, or other, since a person planning to do something bad to him would not check him out. The policy (and actually following the policy) would only insure that authorities were alerted at some early point in the day.

Better security at the school in identifying people who don't belong there might have helped, if Terri didn't take him, but even that would not be fool-proof during a public event. And, naturally, if he were taken by a person who did belong there, it wouldn't help at all.

The truth is, parents can't 100% guarantee that no one will harm their children and schools can't either. But they should try harder than Skyline did.

 

[Jade2010]

Here's a question that may have been answered. If Kyron's class had a substitute on Monday through Thursday, then where was Ms. Porter? On vacation?

I've read that the reason LE believed that Kyron's friend got the days messed up was because he refered to the other adult that spoke to the teacher as "substitute" and therefore he must have meant Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday.

BUT... if you have a substitute one would think the teacher was OUT... so then who was the "substitute" the child was talking about who had back and forth about Where is Kyron, he's probably in the bathroom with the teacher? Why a teacher AND a substitute. Wouldn't it be one or the other?

 

[cluciano63]

Part of the problem, to me, is what the PR guy for the school said, something about it not being uncommon for parents to come and go and take the kids out of school-I'm sure the quote is here somewhere. But it made it sound more than casual...almost as though whether the kids were in school or not was a toss-up. If that was the case, I'm surprised the teacher even bothered to think about where Kyron was at all. I'm sure he did not mean it quite the way he said it, at least I hope he didn't. It kind of seems like, oh Terri was here, Kyron was here, both are gone, must have gone together. If Terri had dropped Kyron, and Kyron had vanished, would they have assumed she had been there but they just didn't see her? And that he must have left with her?

 

[Jade2010]

The only person who has said anything about a male chaperone is Terri. For all we know, she made that up after the fact. It was in the emails she sent a few days after Kyron disappeared. There has been no corroborating evidence Kyron was seen with a "male chaperone."

BUT wouldn't that mean there WAS a male chaperone? If Terri planned all this she had to know her emails were being read and therefore LE would question her on who this male chaperone is. I think there is one and it was part of the questioning.

 

[Jo in Calif]

IMO the problem here is the Dr. appointment.
JF gave one version, she had to have gotten it from Terry.
Terri's mom gave a version, I believe, she had to have gotten it from Terri.
Kyron's teacher gave a version, she said she got from Terri.
Terri's email to a friend, gave a version, that came from Terri.
There is only one version of the truth, why were there so many versions? IMO they all came from Terri.

 

[STEADFAST]

BUT wouldn't that mean there WAS a male chaperone? If Terri planned all this she had to know her emails were being read and therefore LE would question her on who this male chaperone is. I think there is one and it was part of the questioning.

I don't think there was one, but if there was, the two girls Terri said he was seen with must have identified who he was or what he looked like. Plus, if the two girls saw this man with Kyron, how could LE say that Terri was the last person seen with Kyron?

 

[Dee10]

I don't think there was one, but if there was, the two girls Terri said he was seen with must have identified who he was or what he looked like. Plus, if the two girls saw this man with Kyron, how could LE say that Terri was the last person seen with Kyron?

I think you just busted that story as a myth! Makes perfect sense!:dance:

 

[gwenabob]

BUT wouldn't that mean there WAS a male chaperone? If Terri planned all this she had to know her emails were being read and therefore LE would question her on who this male chaperone is. I think there is one and it was part of the questioning.

I think it was her "bushy haired stranger" scenario. Lots of guilty people just make stuff up when LE is questioning too closely. There was no "bushy haired stranger" who shot Diane Downs' children. There was no strange black man who carjacked Susan Smith's car and drove away with her children. It is simply a last ditch effort to yell "fire" in a theater and hope people get distracted. I do not believe Kyron was walking around with any male chaperone because I believe Kyron left the school at the same time Terri did.

 

[cluciano63]

Didn't Terri indicate that someone had told her Kyron was seen with a male and two girls? So LE would want to know who told her that...it seems foolish to make that up totally out of the blue. Maybe someone did tell her that they heard that...the way rumors get spread...but then told LE that they didn't know where they heard it. If Terri made up the whole thing, and no one ever told her that, that is bizarre.

 

[gitana1]

Didn't Terri indicate that someone had told her Kyron was seen with a male and two girls? So LE would want to know who told her that...it seems foolish to make that up totally out of the blue. Maybe someone did tell her that they heard that...the way rumors get spread...but then told LE that they didn't know where they heard it. If Terri made up the whole thing, and no one ever told her that, that is bizarre.

From the e-mail she wrote: “I said I was going to look at other exhibits - how do you mess that up? His coat and backpack were still at school. I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left. There were no men on the chaperone list. That and it was highly chaotic - had to been 300 people running around - no coordination ...” http://www.examiner.com/amber-alert...e-said-kyron-acted-strange-before-he-vanished

BBM.
So, she heard that from someone, or she thinks she heard it or she's making it up. It'd be helpful to know which. I don't why the font is staying italicized!! I can't fix it.

 

[cluciano63]

Yes, that's weird, she doesn't indicate where that info came from...

 

[pufnstuf]

Yes, that's weird, she doesn't indicate where that info came from...

She slips into passive voice when she talks about the "chaperone," as if she's deliberately avoiding mentioning who told her that.

 

[LillyRush]

Well...and then there is the part about the 2 girls. Obviously, two other girls didn't go missing from the school. So, either she is talking about two specific girls that someone was able to identify and question... or she is saying that there were two random girls in addition to this man who were in the school but not connected to the school?

I'm not sure why, but I've never seen this email before where she mentions the male chaperone. Is the Examiner a tabloid?

 

[Donjeta]

The emails were reported on Katu News

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html

 

[LillyRush]

The emails were reported on Katu News

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html

Thanks! I can see now based on the date of the article why I missed it. I was extremely busy through most of August and didn't really get the chance to catch up again until the end of the month.