Kyron's parents' statements, interviews

[SmoothOperator]

For some reason I feel if Kyron's birthday passes, with so sign of Kyron, then he is not alive. I already don't really think he is, but if there is some chance of it and Terri is involved, I think that might be a date that might hold enough meaning to suddenly "re-appear" him. Of course, she would try to do it in a way that does not implicate her. But then again, the biggest factor against Kyron coming home, is Terri, as Kyron would surely know she was there when he was "handed off" or whatever. What a mess. Just as Desiree hopes/thinks Terri took him, in order for him to possibly be safe, that same reason could be why he isn't.

Yes, cluciano I have thought of this myself that the very reason that Desiree holds on to the hope that it is Terri involved[the theory of him being safely stashed unharmed] is the very reason that especially now given the circumstances of just "how the cards have fallen"[with all suspicion on Terri]would be the very thing that if ever "reappearing" him would be the final nail in Terri's coffin of guilt... IMO

 

[SacreBleu]

I do think "Fireflies" is Kyron's favorite song. I think Desiree chose "Say" for him as a new favorite...

"Say what you need to say, say what you need to say..." Terri.

Just sayin' ... I could be wrong.

 

[nurseratchett]

Who said she took anything out on Kyron? Maybe she's just hidden him with someone who loves him.

Really?

I would hazard a guess that if Kyron could be anywhere in the world he wanted right now, it would be with his mom and dad.

 

[txsvicki]

The belief that Kyron is being held by a group is big news. Wonder what type of group they have in mind. A group of friends, a support group of some type, ex body builders, underground child protectors, etc.

 

[human]

If a child is in eminent danger in a situation, I can see how one would remove them to a "safe place" until all threats of danger were removed. That is what I'm referring to guys.

I am sure that Portland has a center where children are brought to be talked to about abuse.

Kyron is verbal. Parents who have had non verbal children that they feel are abused, have taken the child and run.

This is not the case with a child such as Kyron who can be talked to by professionals to determine abuse.

And terri as a teacher would know that such a place exists.

 

[cluciano63]

Poor D&K...it seems that the longer LE goes without being able to figure out who could have helped Terri, if anyone did, the more they are willing to believe he is being cared for by...anybody, just so long as Terri put him there. What does that say for their desperation? This is the woman they think was angry enough to take Kyron away from them, the woman who is a liar and an actress, and yet they pin all of their hopes on her being a good person, in the end? To be keeping him alive and safe and happy? It's very sad and I do hope the LE and counselors are trying to prepare them for the worst, should it happen.

 

[human]

BBM -

Perhaps it's the woman who Kaine had an illegitimate affair with while his own wife Desiree was pregnant with Kyron. The woman who Kaine let raise his & Desiree's child Kyorn after that woman had been convicted of child endangerment, and her licenses to drive and to teach suspended. The woman who provided child care services for Kaine in exchange for room, board, housekeeping shopping priviledges & sex. The woman he installed in his home as chief cook & bottlewasher and finally married with his father - a Masonic dignitary - officiating over a bathing suit cermony. The woman who raised Kyron and saw to his every need. The woman who moved her own child into his home only to have that child kicked out in his most vulnerable year. The woman who's husband acts incredulous with regard to her issues, depression, and emotional illnesses while she's raising his 7 year old son and 1 year old daughter. The woman that bore Kaine's 2nd child. That woman just might "hath the fury of a woman scorned".

But that's JMO on this speculative question, and I'm not endorsing the fact that she took her fury out on Kyron.

Is this the same woman who had an incredibly expensive wedding in Hawaii. A red mustang purchased for her by a husband. A woman who got to do whatever she wanted to do all day long , including going to the gym daily that provided daycare?

A woman who had nice vacations such as 2 trips to Disneyland and Disneyworld and Israel?

Is this the woman who sent her son to live with the father who she said had meth issues and AIDS (although he somehow miraculously recovered?)

Terri's issues didn't start with Kaine. They appear to have been going on for years.

 

[miabellamoure]

BBM -

Perhaps it's the woman who Kaine had an illegitimate affair with while his own wife Desiree was pregnant with Kyron. The woman who Kaine let raise his & Desiree's child Kyorn after that woman had been convicted of child endangerment, and her licenses to drive and to teach suspended. The woman who provided child care services for Kaine in exchange for room, board, housekeeping shopping priviledges & sex. The woman he installed in his home as chief cook & bottlewasher and finally married with his father - a Masonic dignitary - officiating over a bathing suit cermony. The woman who raised Kyron and saw to his every need. The woman who moved her own child into his home only to have that child kicked out in his most vulnerable year. The woman who's husband acts incredulous with regard to her issues, depression, and emotional illnesses while she's raising his 7 year old son and 1 year old daughter. The woman that bore Kaine's 2nd child. That woman just might "hath the fury of a woman scorned".

But that's JMO on this speculative question, and I'm not endorsing the fact that she took her fury out on Kyron.

bbm

I do not see TH as "a woman scorned"...at all. She willingly jumped headfirst into this muck with her own child in tow...breaking up a marriage, shacking it up with the husband, etc.

 

[human]

They might be going for MFH as well. Doesn't Oregon have GJ for felonies?

 

[mrsu]

A couple things I noticed:

In Part 1 Desiree alludes to the fact that "it" was planned and that something that was planned like this could not be carried out by one person. Definitely seems like they have other information from LE to confirm this.

In regards to the emails...I think there must be additional emails that HAVEN'T been released that they found on TH's computer, etc. From what I can remember, what they have released of the emails, I can't think of what they would be talking about that would be so "sickening". If I remember right, the main email was the timeline.

I wonder who released the emails? KH confirms it wasn't him, and likely not LE. So Terri?

In Part 2 KH and DY both state more than once that TH and DD have not fully cooperated. I personally believe they haven't. Why has it been repeatedly reported that they have cooperated if they have not?

Kyron seen OUTSIDE, near the truck. That could be HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!! God, I hope something comes of it.

My heart breaks for these parents. I am so sad that Kyron won't be around to celebrate his birthday.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Kaine may not have thought there were any problems because he wasn't paying attention. It seems as if Terri took total care of Kyron when he was with them and made the decisions on punishment for bad behavior at school as well as his health care needs. Kaine didn't even know what kind of medication Terri was on when depressed. Plus, weren't her symptoms from OTC meds for bodybuilding during his time with her and caring for Kyron? I may be wrong, but he seems detached from marriage and really paying attention, not unlike many men unfortunately.
He could have read her public FB before Kyron even went missing where she says that her daughter is also passive aggressive and insinuated that she got it from him.

I have a Facebook but my husband never reads it because he's not that interested in Facebook. It has nothing to do with our relationship. I have to talk to my husband to let him know things.

It's really sad to think that a marriage would come down to a husband learning about his wife's problems on Facebook. Clearly that is what Kaine meant when he said they weren't communicating.

Clearly it would have been better for all the children involved if Terri had shared her troubles. But the fact is, her friends probably knew her better than her family did. I wish that was rare in the world, but many people keep secrets and many people are liars, sad to say.

ETA: For someone to post on Facebook that a little child is "passive aggressive" and gets it from daddy is also really pathetic and sad. Maybe Terri's "friends" should have let Kaine know the sort of outrageous tripe she was pouring out on Facebook and Kyron might still be here leading a happier life.

Terri posted lots of disturbing stuff on Facebook - I won't even bring up some of it because it makes me so angry. Her view of children is just absolutely whacked out as far as I'm concerned.

 

[miabellamoure]

Kaine may not have thought there were any problems because he wasn't paying attention. It seems as if Terri took total care of Kyron when he was with them and made the decisions on punishment for bad behavior at school as well as his health care needs. Kaine didn't even know what kind of medication Terri was on when depressed. Plus, weren't her symptoms from OTC meds for bodybuilding during his time with her and caring for Kyron? I may be wrong, but he seems detached from marriage and really paying attention, not unlike many men unfortunately.
He could have read her public FB before Kyron even went missing where she says that her daughter is also passive aggressive and insinuated that she got it from him.

bbm

Trying to imagine an infant/toddler displaying a passive aggressive act???:waitasec:

Anyone wanna give an example?

 

[gwenabob]

I'll give it a try. Wetting/pooping a diaper right after they are changed?

LOL. For a woman with a master's degree and a teaching certificate, she really seems to know nothing about early childhood development.

 

[scandi]

Both Kaine and Desiree say that Terri was a great actress because she never seemed to mind taking care of Kyron or making the drive to Eugene.

LE isn't giving them very much evidence/information, per both Kaine and Desiree. They give different reasons for this, such as LE not wanting to put the burden of information on them, so they won't have to lie about anything.

When asked if their belief that Kyron is alive is coming from information from LE or a place inside them, Desiree answers immediately that it's coming from a place inside her. She is convinced he is alive, and Kaine is in full, head-nodding agreement.

Kaine maintains he knew nothing of his and Terri's marital troubles, but the reporter says that Terri indicated to others that Kaine was controlling and unfaithful. Kaine says he can't really speak about Terri's unhappiness in their marriage because he didn't know anything about it.

Kaine and Desiree will participate in birthday parties for Kyron, held in Medford and Portland respectively.

Interesting that he didn't stop the allegation by Terri that he was unfaithful, eh? I think everything that had been going on in that home is important since LE debunked the idea of a stranger abduction.

If it weren't true why wouldn't he want that cleared up, at least for his reputation, to maintain his integrity in the relationship and his public image as a man - Kyron's father?

It has certainly influenced my opinion of him, coupled with Desiree's accounting of his unfaithfulness when she was preggers with Kyron.

One thing I know is that the public is very forgiving if one makes an apology when they have done wrong.

 

[PoppyH]

Hmm, maybee the sickening part of the emails had to do with stashing Kyron for nafarious reasons?? That would be sickening! makes me wanna hurl where is Kyron???? I just hope this is not another Shaynia Davis case

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think Kaine will admit to knowing much about how Terri was feeling inside in recent months; he is surely already questioning himself, hourly, but if he comes and out and says that he knew she was wacked, then why was he allowing her full and unsupervised access to the kids? His lawyer may have even advised him to stay away from admitting that he knew much about any issues or resentments she had going on.

 

[scandi]

This interview once again highlights the fact that Kaine and Desiree are victims of someone who has stolen a precious child from them.

They are not acting deluded or kidding themselves when they blame TH for what has happened. She hasn't acted like an innocent person since day one, even though she was the last adult in the family to see Kyron alive.

And if there is another perpetrator out there she should tell police what she knows and come clean. But she is protecting herself first and putting Kyron second, in my opinion.

I felt a long time ago that Terri wants it both ways. She wants people to believe she is the grieving step-mother and victim (fed up with police questions since her first interview, and having DeDe by her side to "protect" herfor some reason). But at the same time she wants to be tough and go her own way and do her own thing regardless of the effect of her actions on Kaine and Desiree who are suffering - damn the consequences!

She doesn't know how to act innocent, in my opinion, so it all comes across to us as crazycakes. If she was a really "great" actress, we wouldn't even suspect her. As it is, the more she tries to 'splain herself, the more contradictions emerge. I don't know if these emails were her idea or her attorney's, but I don't think they helped her at all.

Hi ThoughtFox, I know that Kaine and Desiree are victims here and I respect that. Not minimizing any part Terri might possibly have had in Kyron's disappearance, I still think they both played a part in what led up to him being taken.

As I read it, other things must have been more important than Kyron's welfare and happiness. If he pleaded with Desiree to stay with her and she sent him back anyway. . . . . If his Dad was not faithful to his stepmom Terri, even adoring Kyron as he did. . . . . They both put their own needs first, and nothing added up to putting Kyron first as he should have been. A 7 year old, helpless and cast against the wind, to make do of it, which is all that he could do.

God Bless Kyron wherever he is tonight. And also blessings given to every other child on earth who is in the same position thst Kyron was on the day he disappeared. xox

 

[mrsu]

I mean, Desiree says the emails are "significant" so maybe they do provide some clues as to the planning of it all. I think it's possible that it could have been TH's intention to stash him, I just can't follow that train of thought...

- She would stash him for how long?
- Did she ever have any intention of returning him?
- Maybe the "accomplice" was going to help TH abduct him...maybe it was someone Kyron doesn't know, then was going to release him and Kyron wouldn't be able to identify him.

With this new info about him possibly being spotted outside, I think it's possible that TH planned for this accomplice to be there. TH says goodbye to Kyron, possibly tells him to come to the truck because they have to leave for a Dr. appt. (I think she says this because then if Kyron is returned and says "Terri told me to go to the truck", she can say "No, I was talking about a different day".) So Kyron goes out to the truck where accomplice is. TH then leaves the school and heads to the truck so she is seen leaving alone. Then whatever happens. I think it's quite possible they took away his glasses as it was known that he was virtually blind without them. Would not be able to recognize accomplice.

Perhaps they had planned for him to return at some point. I'm sure TH didn't imagine things would blow up as they did. IMO it's a long shot that Kyron is still alive. Accomplice could have gotten scared about the media coverage and decided to do something to him? If it happened this way, I can't imagine why accomplice wouldn't just come forward or let the boy go??

I guess from TH standpoint, either way she looks at it, she's screwed. She either planned it and did it, got someone to help, or was an accessory. Admitting to any one of those things would be admitting that she lied in the first place. On the other hand, if she did hand him off and didn't "do" anything, you would think she would rather come forward and ADMIT that, rather than possibly be taken down for both.

Sorry for the ramble. Lots of thoughts tonight. Hope it makes sense!

 

[miabellamoure]

The belief that Kyron is being held by a group is big news. Wonder what type of group they have in mind. A group of friends, a support group of some type, ex body builders, underground child protectors, etc.

I'm trying to envision that group of "ex-body builders" holding Kyron...NOT!:snooty:

 

[mrsu]

Check out the KGW interview: http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horma...-kyron-horman-missing-portland-101688128.html

At the very end the reporter mentions the white truck and asks Desiree to talk about that. She mentions that there was a tip that someone saw Kyron OUTSIDE the school near the truck with another person. She says if this is true, it does not fit with TH's timeline. Kaine kind of cuts her off and says LE is checking into it and they don't want to confirm anything.

I think this could be huge. Come discuss in the other thread.